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So where do you draw line with balancing that and sporting integrity (whch is what this debate was about).....it is deep and very, very complex - but for me (and hey maybe i am wrong and maybe my view is ill informed) we simply can't keep pulling people out of society - elite footballers, bar staff, factory workers or whatever indefinitely because they test positive, because that could go on forever.

In your head no. Does not make you right.

Do one, dickhead

The answer is 80. This is an illness that overwhelmigly kills the old and frail, sadly....the overwhelming majority of young and healthy people who contract it will either not even know they have it or will have an illness that is mild. The chances of you or I contracting covid and dying from covid are tiny, really tiny - unless we are old/ill. Yet here we are living with massive restrictions on our lives and even now letting it affect the teams elite football clubs are allowed to field I understand the fear that exists...People are living in fear because they have been force fed a narrative that there is this super deadly virus out there that is indiscrimanately killing people. I do understand totally that it killed loads earlier in year at the start of it here when nobody caught on about it, when we were unprepared...but those deaths were overwhelmingly in care homes, other care settings and amongst the old and frail - the average age of covid deaths here is as said 80. Now we are more clued up why can't we protect those people and those settings and at same time let the rest of us who it hardly affects crack on? Way we are acting there will literally never be an end to this because the virus is here to stay, make no mistake, just like other viruses - we didn't destroy economies, society, put millions and millions out of work, make millions of peoples lives miserable etc etc for other viruses did we - it makes no sense to me why we are doing it for this one.....a virus that in the overwhelming number of the general public who get it people hardly even know they have it. In terms of infections/positive cases/positive tests etc - personally i say the more the better really as long as they don't lead to massive deaths - which they aren't at present, as this gives us best shot at immunity developing and i am sure we could keep moving forward and get normality back if we protect the most vulnerable people and the most vulnerable settings.... Immunity may very well at the very least have a chance of building then....lockdowns etc don't help at all with immunity. The grip of fear this virus has over people is because of how governments like ours have stood up up every day for months and tell us dozens of people died today from it.....they don't do the same for all the other thousands of deaths that occur every day from all sorts of things, and they don't provide any context into the numbers they quote like for example how for the last 3 months in the UK flu has more mentions on death certificates than covid has... Anyway i am clearly in the minority with my view and you know what that is fine - i stand by what i believe, make no apologies for what i believe and ultimately accept what others believe/any criticism of what i believe. I am not very articulate or very capable of making my point eloquently sadly so this article here largely sums up my position....i include elite sport in this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649

Tell me what is the average age of deaths from covid in the UK?

I don't believe anyone should self isolate beacuse they have tested positive for a virus that overhwelmingly only really kills the old and frail - but that is just my view.... Clearly many others disagree - and that is fine...how you balance your view they should with sporting integrity is up to you and your choice.

Do me a favour - stop replying to me and i'll happily save myself the bother of replying to you. Ok?

The vaccine? What you think that is gonna be a golden bullet - news for you, it won't be... The answer is Sadio Mane and all players should not be stopped from playing unless they can't actually play.

I expect nothing different from you - i can't remember exactly but i think we have clashed on this issue before. If you are happy for a sporting competition to be heavily influenced by how lucky your squad is at navigating a virus that has the square root of fuck all to do with normal sporting endeavour then that is up to you. Me - no i am not. Let me ask you this - how fair and sporting do you think it would be if on last day of season we were facing Man City and title was on line and 48 hrs before game 4 of our key players were ruled out of the game because they had 'tested positive' for covid....?

Fit to play football versus fit for the guidelines laid down for this lark are very different things. Personally i think losing 20% of what would be our most likely starting line up to this shite and the threat of more for us and all clubs is a load of shite and rubbishes the sporting integrity.

I don't recall any players being forced to miss games for it, but if you can point them out i am happy to admit wrong....

No Mane a massive blow.

That is just luck given international break though isn't it.....how can season have any credibility at all if players are forced to miss games like this?

Absolute shite - although of course if any club was gonna get fucked by this shite it was gonna be us. Ridicluous that a perfectly fit player has to miss games.

Oh i am not saying he shouldn't be gone or he would ever be good enough etc....just saying it must feel pretty shit to wait all those years and when it finally happens you put in an invisible performance and miss a crucial pen in a shoot out - and that be the net result of your only full appearance for the club.

Feel sorry for Wilson waited years for his first start and it and his career at LIverpool ends like that.

Been quoted as this too... On Xherdan Shaqiri's absence from the squad: "Some were not involved. It is the time of the year when some things happen in the background and you have to react - that is what we did." Very similar quote, but really suggests a bid has come in.

Nearly. Sure i read first time was in FA Cup v Accrington Stanley. Who are dey!!

Cracking draw...avoided cunts like Atletico and facing new teams for us in recent years. Not so sure about fans being allowed depending on local situation though....seems a touch unfair on us and other PL sides for example where clearly no chance of having fans at Anfield given way govt are acting...yet me may face fans away.

They've added a bastard friendly to the 2 mickey mouse league games as well - both in this and the November break

I honestly believe if Trent and Robbo played tonight we would have won. Is 3 games in a week too much for them this early in season? I suppose we will find out next week when they are asked to play 3 shite international games in a week.....probably at a cost to us in our next game - The Derby.

The difference between that reality you mention and the media narrative is quite stark though.

What the fuck was Origi doing on that pen? Keeper has just made a save and you are 3-2 up with 2 left and you have chance to make it 4-2 and put them in can't miss territory. Surely you go up and take an emphatic penalty, not some half arsed effort.

Gutted for the people running the brick...no away fans means no spread on for their manc mates.

That is thing about tonight Arteta will be lauded as some sort of tactical genius when in reality with a stronger team on park they were massively secind best to a liverpool team made up of players surplus to requirements and 4th choice in their positions. I actually hope the cheats tear them a new arsehole. Arteta can fuck off the negative, bitter little shithouse.