PiranhaBill

None of that is relevant really though. As far as the books are concerned, a sale & purchase takes place in the period the deal is completed. Any money owed by us or to us will appear on the balance sheet as Payables or Receivables. So, sell Alonso for £30m last summer, it will appear in the books for that year. Buy Aquilani for £20m last summer and that appears in the books for the same period. Only difference between football and normal business is that Football clubs can view their employees as assets and amortise (depreciate) the cost over several years. So Aquilani - costs £20m, appears as a purchase for that amount at that date, but the club can then "rollover" £15m of it if he is on a 4 year deal. So only a 1/4 hits the accounts straight away - the cash paid is ignored. The fact we haven't paid any money, all the money, or a bit of the money only affects cash flow and not profit / loss. So what we are owed only becomes an issue if the club hasn't got the liquid cash on hand to pay its bills. Not sure if thats the case for us seeing as the club still hasn't sent out season ticket renewals which is a huge source of ready cash in the summer.

You're joking. Its 100% balanced, accurate and true. too many people with their head in the sand. Liverpool Football Club is on the brink and only a rich saviour or miracle will stop us seeing utter disaster. Wake up FFS :wallbutt:

So they'll go for Mourinho....who plays the same tactics as Rafa to the letter.....but he's got it working....which makes at all ok. Feck me. "We are the best educated football fans in the world". Reading some of the shite on this thread....it would be funny if it was Toffeeweb. Most deserve the Manager the Yanks will give us next season.

Repeatedly ?? wibble Rafapologist wibble sheep wibble So, get the men you repeatedly (don't laugh at the back) say should go, to appoint a new manager. Ok. I hope you are this supportive of Allardyce. Your whole argument is putting the cart before the horse. Owners MUST go first. Change the record? Yeh ok. Arf.

I was using irony in calling you that you thick tosser. And irony is missed on me??? Jesus. :wallbutt: Your second sentence is the only thing you've written today that makes sense. You third sums you up - Here is the problem.....but I think we should solve this other smaller problem first. Move along, nothing to see here.

See this . Its a point, you've missed it. Look, as you say, the profit from player sales is paying debt. Got That? good. Now, what is the debt? Well if we take purslow's latest word its £237m it used to be £40m. So, the debt is bigger. 237 is bigger than 40. No, really it is, honest. So, the club has made profit on players and still has a bigger debt that it used to have. Now, your brain is so slow in processing stuff, you'll still be thinking that the profits from player sales are reducing the debt. They aren't. They are paying the interest that allows Kop Holdings plc to have the debt. The capital on the debt remains unpaid. So, we have a debt of £237m, pay £40m but our debt is......still £237m. In "real terms" its more than it was. We are £40m down but our debt isn't reduced. Now, some how in your strange mind, you seem to want to put that to one side "Look at that as a separate issue for a moment" you say. But you can't. IT IS THE ISSUE. Personally, I'd like to see it invested in the team. Like you say, it must service the debt though. What you are missing is that we aren't in debt because we bought David Villa. We are in debt because somebody else bought something they can't afford, or refuse to pay for, and expect others to pay for it for them. So to answer your question, the club will go under if the debt isn't paid. How the fuck you relate profit on player sales stopping that happening as a good thing rather than a bastard of a thing that shouldn't be happening is beyond me. You've fallen into the Hicks trick of believing that now they are able to pay the debt they are doing you a favour. And you call other people sheep. Maybe you're just a Hicksapologist.

What are you talking about??? Tell me something, what is the point in the SC deal bringing in more money, if said money pays the debts of Kop Holdings PLC ?? The club is financially worse off than its ever been purely because the liabilities are increasing at a greater rate than the assets. Brilliant stability. Wish I was your accountant. Look at the bigger picture?? At least I know where the picture is and whats on it.

Being a sheep?? The club's income has increased due to the TV deal. The new sponsorship deal hasn't kicked in and has more clauses that the Aquilani purchase. No good income increasing if outgoings increase more. And do you know, Liverpool's have increased hugely, and not for footballing reasons. So we get more money in but pay more again out in interest. Brilliant. But we're stable you know, Maddock said so. And I'm the sheep?? It doesn't matter who the manager is. Its impossible to move forward in the current circumstances. Gerrard might be off in the summer and do you know what, we'll be getting a Kevin Fucking Nolan in to replace him and expecting to win the League, Champions League and Eurovision Song Contest. My blinkers came off a few years ago. Cheers though.

Because he wanted to leave (you know, the way Maddock tells us Alonso wanted to leave)!! And he leaves for free if we keep him another year! Imagine the fuss if Madrid took another player for nowt off us - even with aonly a year left on his contract, Arbeloa was sold at a profit. He was a far far better player than he was ever given credit for yet I don't recall any fuss when he was sold and Johnson bought. Johnson is England's first choice right-back. Liverpool Football Club SHOULD be looking at signing such players. When he was bought, Benitez publicly stated that the club could buy another player before we sold anybody..... which ended up not quite right didn't it. Throw in the fact the club was owed the best part of Portsmouth's fee for Crouch, and there was a high possibility of Portsmouth going out of business with the debt not being repaid, Johnson was an obvious choice. We could argue until the cows come home about the Manager's decisions, bad buys, Rafapologists or whatever, but when Riera goes this week..... how much profit has the club made on transfers in the last three windows? And Maddock says the Manager missed a chance to take us forward !! Yeh, ok.

What parts? The part where he says we replaced a right-back who didn't need replacing ? Or the bit where he says that Benetiz chose to bring back Voronin as cover for Torres? The entire article is a pile of shite with about 2 accurate statements hidden amonst 99 lies, errors, and pontifications. Its like the bloke has woken from a coma. EVERYBODY knows what happened last summer :wallbutt: except this muppet obviously.

Spot on?? My arse. Its a million miles from being correct. Whether you support the manager or not, its littered with inaccuracies, lies and bollocks... the Americans could no longer buy Liverpool with the club’s own money as they had planned So believe it or not, they actually put considerable amounts of their own money in But then, Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal have suffered in exactly the same way over the past 12 months (one of the best lines that. Chelsea have just had £700m of debt written off) Current interest payments are not crippling (arf) Hicks – and again you’ll have to take a leap of faith with me here – is actually a respected businessman in the States (Is he? I could point you to tons of articles showing he isn't plus he can't get credit anywhere) the club is now being run perfectly well when it comes to finances (hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha) Do you know what.... I've barely started and got bored as virtually every sentence is laughably bad. "Excellent Article" Get to F**k.

I'll tell you one thing. ANY referee that gives a decision when he hasn't seen something is cheat. Webb refereed by assumption yesterday. Fecking cheating full stop.

Not quite the true story that.

Not quite the true story that. True story is that he asked for a new contract, and he/his agwent were negotiating one. Bill Kenwright, in the meantime, got an offer for Barmby from Chelsea, which he chose to accept. Barmby was majorly pissed off and insisted he wanted to stay. Was sent home to "have a think". His agent made a few calls to other clubs letting it be known that Barmby was "for sale". Liverpool said they wanted him, so Barmby went back to Kenwright and said "ok I'll go....but only to Liverpool". Kenwright was pissed off and insisted he went to Chelsea. Liverpool, though, matched Chelsea's offer. So, Kenwright reluctantly accepts the offer from Liverpool too, press get wind he's off and Kenwright goes into full "Evertonian" mode and hits the media with the "six words no Evertonian wants to hear" line. Barmby kicks off and tells him he's going to the press to tell them that Everton were selling him against his will. Kenwright told him that if he does, he'll stop the Liverpool deal going through and it only would if Barmby signed a "keep your gob shut" contract. So, Everton chose to sell a player who didn't want to leave. Kenwright catered to the Evertonian that is present in every bitter, and they all lapped it up. True story, straight from the horses mouth.... well, a close friend of the horses mouth anyway.

But all of the money from the Super-Duper Dixie Dean Memorial Dome will go into G&H's pockets. So as well as being as skint as we are now, we'll be skint in bed with Everton. Its short term nonsense to share a ground. EVERY team that has shared in the past regrets it 10 / 20 years down the line once the initial financial "win" has come and gone. How much do you think Liverpool would get for Naming Rights? How much would Everton get? Then how much would we get together? What you are advocating is a cas cow for G&H and Everton. Nice one.

Or simply read RedRoseTints post above :whistle:

Hey mate, I think you've dropped your dummy. Thought of a good enough replacement yet?

Because you have to play football against other teams :wow: So you want to hear why Benitez will win the league but nobody is allowed to tell you why problems not of his making are helping to prevent him doing so. You've still not said who will win the league for us working in these conditions :wallbutt:

Err no. Sack a Manager at the most inopportune time with no plan to replace him, and having owners who know sweet bugger all about the job in hand whilst thinking that they do......THAT is the Newcastle model.

You can find it as hard as you like to not believe there is somebody out there who will improve us. If we were in "normal" circumstances, you would be right. But we aren't. So, again. Who? Name one Manager who a) would improve us whilst making a profit on transfers; and b) be willing to come here. You'll find you can come up with a decent list for a) then you'll find yourself scratching them off your list one by one when you come to b). Its no good saying "there must be somebody". And if there is, and we agree on this point, the current owners wouldn't find him if he was sat in front of them with the Premier League Trophy. Its simple. Sack Benitez now = more turmoil, more player sales, even less to spend on the squad etc etc. You can say its childish to bring Newcastle into it, but it isn't - look at them. Spend money, not where they want to be, sack the manager, spend more money, not where they want to be, sack the Manager. Repeat to fade. We aren't Newcastle, but sack Benitez at this stage and we are moving more towards their model than we are towards Arsenal's. I agree, the football is shite. The results are shite. But they've not always been like that under him. I've had a season ticket for 27 years and I reckon if I listed the top ten most enjoyable games I've seen, half would be with his team. So if its gone bad, whats changed? I allways come back to last summer. So yeh, lets sack Benitez and appoint a new Manager and tell him to trim the squad. But, hey, he'll have to be challenging in May against teams spending hunrdeds of millions. No pressure. Any takers for the job?

Noooo...... I'm new to the board after lurking a short while.

You know what, you're right. How I enjoyed the cameo appearance of Istvan Kozma against Chesterfield and the Arsenalesque performance at home to Bristol City. And Paul Stewart if only he was still around today eh? All those fancy moves with Julian Dicks have me purring even today. Seriously though, if you've been going the game so long and think its bad now. You will remember the great night at home to Leicester late in the 90s. When Ian Marshall. YES IAN FUCKING MARSHALL, waltzed through our defence to give us a 1-0 defeat. At the same time, half the Kop didn't notice as everybody was listening to the radio hoping Juventus would hang on to their 1-0 lead against United.... they didn't. One of the lowest nights in the history of our club..... and you think it was better then. But we are going backwards you know. Judas H Fucking Priest.

But thats where we'll be looking. The owners "interviewed" Klinsmann! You trust them to unearth some wonder Manager? WTF?? Where have you got that from??? If he is sacked he is entitled to his contract money. Fill stop. End of. The club can try and negotiate it down but he is legally entitled to it if the club sack him. And a new Manager is 100% guaranteeing Champions League every year? Brilliant. Lets just swap Managers every year if it guarantees that. It works at Newcastle. You just know that do you? just know it? can't name him, don't know him, or where he is. Don't know if he would come here knowing he would have to make a profit on player trading every transfer window. But know he is out there. Cool. Because they were already champions. Just a guess like, but they've a lot further to fall than we have and cutting their spending will take a little longer to take effect. We've out-done Arsenal in the main in recent years and they aren't exactly streaking ahead now. They do play pretty football though. Andy Gray told me he would pay to watch it so it must be good. Two £20m flops? I suppose you mean Keane and Aquilani. Keane was really a £4m flop wasn't he. And Mascherano is also excellent. Everybody whinged when we signed Benayoun too. Alonso was fecking superb and sold at 300% profit. Luis Garcia was a bargain. Two in six years my arse. One badly funded summer? Look at the last three windows. Look at the same windows for Arsenal, Spurs, City & Villa.

And what do you have? "Its shit Football" "We should get rid of Benitez" Then what? Come on, set out your idea of the way forward for the club.

If you have been watching since the late 60s then you know, you really know, that you are talking 100% utter bollocks.