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Please tell me the dross Rafa braught into this club because i see many players who are very much liverpool quality that he hasbraught in and only 4 or 5 players that arnt of liverpools quality. Boscoumbe says they will be gone so he knows what he is goind Reina, Agger, Masch, Skertal, Torres, Babel and Arbeloa. All of thoughs are players of a high quality that should be playing for this club, when Rafa is backed he gets quality lets see more backing and we will see better players. If houllier had set us up for the future Rafa wouldnt have to had to deal with everything he has to do in his tenure here but he has looked at not just now but the future and has braught quality of either very good to world class. Next season will be Rafa's judgement season if he is backed and gets his first teams targets then i expect to be up at the top.

Fuck me sideways Rafa is shedding the average players in our side that are at our club big story all of thoughs players should be going or i have no problem going, the money raised can be towards very good players as well as money coming in from other sources should provide enough money for us to get some real players in. Crouch i feel should stay but if we can get someone better around the pitch far dos's and Xabi's been living off his first season far to long and he really doesnt suit the prem anymore. Im glad Rafa is doing this and should of been done along time ago thank you Rafa and thank your chris for such an amazing story.

I agree i did not want to come over like i have said they are putting in under par performances to sack the manager, but performances havent been of the highest of late for whatever reason. Its just adds flames to alot of speculation and in dont know what to believe i just want to end to it all either way.

I agree elite you should play for the shirt but football i dont think is about that anymore, which for me is why carra as an example is shopping i thought he would give everything for this club.

If carra and steve have no faith in their manager and wrongly showing it on the pitch then results will be affected and Rafa will be sacked wrongly in my opinion, Rafa may or may not be the man to lead us to the title but he should have a team that plays 100% all the time and if he doesnt then he will not have been sacked for the right reasons.

1892 i dont think Babel's situation has anything to do with it he has said himself that he has struggled to adapt and needs games, but Rafa is using him correctly and Babel is responding i havent a sign of decent from him since he joined and has played his usual game like he does for Holland. Aurelio again its just injuries, as for Risse thank fuck for that he needs to be dropped. Its the english side of things that i feel are having the more power in this situation and have lost their faith the spanish and foreign continguent i feel, feel like they owe Rafa their lives they currently have and will give their all, as shown from Pepe, Torres, Masch and Arbeloa they all give their all and its down to Rafa. Thats why i feel he should stay the spine of the squad he best its been for years and its Rafa's.

Yet sissoko and alonso were one of the cm's best pairings in the prem that season and Gerrard showed true world class ability. your attitude to boscombe Rashid is bizzaire please tell me whare of fantastic RB because arbeloa has taken finnans mantle as he is ageing. Also carra has shown he isnt the force he was at all and that is not down to Rafa it his age and the fact that his best is behind him. Skertal showed maturity, pace and an ability to play the ball allready at twenty three today, two of thoughs things carra has shown a ability not to have. Gerrard has far to much stroke in the dressing room and isnt a leader he is the dogs bollocks as a player but his attitude affects us on the pitch and off it.

well if its just the english players who have a bee in their bonet id rather Rafa stayed and they left personally, most arnt good enough for this team with the exception of Gerrard and Carra allthough i feel they are replacable or have been replaced allready. Everyone would be on an equal footing within the team and we could actualy form a young team wouldnt have any mr big bollocks in it.

Well criss B has really shown his colours after that match report, he has sided with the players that for shore and carra comments are surprising and unproffesional. Its a shame it is happening and could very well be a turning point in the direction of this club.

HAHAHA thanks i know its probably bollocks but you never know, by the rash do you know something we dont. As your hunches seem have a bit more belief behind them.

Well their have many people saying that our opinions will change on Rafa when we here some things maybe this is it because people havent been letting on what it has been about. Personally i think he has signed a pre agreement with Real Madrid and has been stringing us along about his love for the club. By the way Rash you saying that Rafa has lost the dressing room has been doing the rounds as well so it wouldnt surprise me if he has but i wouldnt call it majore revelation as being touted.

Somebody posted on EST that it would be about Rafa for some reason i have a bad feeling about that if true.

Most of our players passing is poor so i dont think Masch is passing with team is a real testimant to how good in terms of passing he actually is. Masch is very good because his movement and passing brain is much quiker than alonso, Alonso stops looks up and passes in that time he could probably be tackled. Mach just keeps moving the ball the same with Lucas one touch move on which we need more of. We need better techicnal coaches to really show how good our players are because some really arnt showing the talent they are capable of and that all comes down to coaching.

7mil maybe a bit more but then we will probably make about double probably more in sales considering carson s around about 10 mil in his self.

Rash how can they play with freedom when some players out their really arnt good enough or just are to slow. Our game like many other teams builds from the back our backline at the momment doesnt allow any freedom due to its techincal ability as well as its pace. If we had a back four of arsenal Rafa would play like Arsenal as he would have confience in its pace and movement. The addition of Skratel and Agger will give us alot more freedom in our play and it has showed when agger has played. A pacy left back will also give agger more confidence which should help his game. This teams need setling and Rafa will settle it when it has the quality which he has shown by playing Torres, Gerrard, Masch etc that if your are good enough you will alot of time. Rafa really only rotates as we have players that arnt equipet for every situation and team. If we can sort out our left hand side and move babel into the middle we will see a settled side and alot better communication.

Yes and you compare that to ManU etc. By the way Ged didnt need to spend much when he had the likes of Carra owen fowler etc did he. Rafa had to componsate for alot when he cam here i.e. Owen leaving etc. His first season and his signings were poor thats for shore but over the years they have got alot better and more defined in style and type. As for our youngsters look at the quality of our under 18's and our reserves if they dont make it here they well earn a hell of alot more than Geds did.

Grady i agree we need better players but i now Babel and Torres as well as masch have better control and technical abiity than they are showing now. A first touch and confidence in your abilties is vital in football and if a player has that they will thrive its comething which i think is affecting our players.

Ratcatcher my fault on the whole oot thing i misread your post. yes but has he had 4 years we that team that were out their today no, many players lost their heads possibly due to alack of confidence within the back line, once their is doubt in a team it will spread. If i was a player and i had never played with Skratel and had risse beside me etc i wouldnt be confident, yes Rafa maybe thier to instill the confidence before the game but whilst on it things can change and it cant be up to Rafa to give the players confidence out their players to stamp their authority on the game. Also i dont believe they out thaught us they may have caught off guard nothing more as it was our mistakes that lead to their goal. Then piled on the pressure against a backine that really didnt need it but it held ok. If that defence was carra and agger playing at their best i would worry but hyppia and skratel was allways going to have problems from the start. Well again i will say i you think any other manager would have done better with that exact situation then please tell because i know of none and by that account every manager we would have had would be fired.

I agree and that is down to a part of the coaching and is more aparent in our team as many arnt great techincally and its something he needs to look as im shore he knows its their. Thats why i feel another season is order to see if he can bring in coaches to deal with this problem. Rafa is in a very hard place as we need to play great football and win trophies this team cant do it but Rafa is trying his best and im shore will get better if he can get the right coaches which i hope he will.

Look i will say we are shit in the first half thats a given but to say its because of Rafa mainly i will not agree with. also if your going to bring the oot debate please do because im sick of being targeted because i cant go to matches due my living and money situation. My main problem is I just get tired of hearing people calling for Rafa's head when he really hasnt had a fair crack at being our manager like some people say. Maybe what i have is an overeaction but i stand by it as some of the posts i have seem for me are way over the top . Im sorry if i have affended anyone and i wish to have a very good debate about liverpool with people if you do wish.

Ahh yes even more insightful from the best supporters in the world, fuck me we are meant to be some of the wisest supporters in the land when it comes to football and we have people spouting that rubbish. Yes and as i said the team that is out their i dont thin would have faired any better with any other manager. The team lacks confidence because it cant play with confidence due to its set up, Rafa has to set us in this way due to players short comings and the pace of certain players. Your telling me if he had the first choice of agger and Carra and better options on the wings Rafa wouldnt be having better results your having a laugh. Rafa is a great coach and perhaps he has taken us as far as he could but he hasnt had the team in my eyes that he would be happy with. When he has that and he fails he deserves to go but untill then he should stay.

Red Mist if we had shown the quality we had in the first half nobody would be talking about it. They just gave it their all against a team who wasnt awake that is allways going to cause problems. That team didnt have any cohessian as it has hardly played with each other. We are playing poorly due to our set up on the pitch nothing more in my opinion. We have to set ourselves up without any freedom because we cant allow else we will concede even more. This all due to the lack of pace at the back and its age, we have the oldest first choice pairing in defence at the moment in the top four that will allways make it harder for us in the league. Even today we had a brand new player playing in a system that he really isnt used to, we had two strikers that shouldnt be playing together, as well as a midfield that really hasnt played together. due to our problems at the back I think we will loose to Inter but any manager with the team we are playing with would loose, especially against the team inter have allthough if we had our first choice back four as well a settled front line we would win but that wont happen untill next season.

Agree Rash Cate would have been a good aquissition but unfortnatly that wasnt going to happen either way as the owners are blocking moves for a new coach due to Paco still being Paid. Next season should be nice as we will hopefully be in a better situation financially, Rafa will have a new start and hopefully first choices in player terms. It will also allow Rafa to get a couple of people to help and im shore we will fly and that is why i think Rafa should stay he really has had the worst season a manager could have.

Rash i agree to some extent but it was going to happen more today then any other time we had players that arnt suited to play with each other as well as players playing together that havent really at all. Babel should never play with crouch, Babel is more affective when he has pace and great movement in front or beside him. If he plays with Torres or someone like that and is given a free role behind the striker he will shine. Plus he needs game in that possition he cant just play thier and be great. Rafa needs the players he wants and the team he wants once he has that and he fails then i will judge he shouldnt be ousted yet. If he can get the players he wants then i can see a deffinate up shift in terms of play and results. I will say this though Rafa needs two more coaches to help him with the techincal apsect of the players game he cant do it all, he also needs a second man to help him with tactics, I just thought id say Rafa is basiclly doing it all on his own he must be learning a hell of alot but he shouldnt have to.

They are fools themselves to actually think they will win over the fans our they feel they can its riidiculous. They have come to a point whare they have ruined the image of our club and them staying will not help us or them.