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So is it rodgers fault that now Ibe and Skrtel's contract talks have hit choppy water? If this doesnt tell people something about what's going on at the club regarding player retention and recruitment that's outside the manager's remit, then they need to wise up.

Im pretty certain Noonien Soong wouldnt have bothered creating Data or Lore with a mechanism to imitate breathing but there you go! Talking of breatheless androids, is sterling's tacky gaff on the market then?

Was at villa park for the portsmouth replay and loads went on the pitch after the pens. I thought it was a tad beneath us to be honest. A mate who went with us was going to rush the pitch but a copper said he'd nick him if he attempted it. As he's a solicitor, he decided not to risk it as having a record wouldnt look good professionally! Some of the recent invasions are just an excuse to get at the oppos players. One day a player is going to get seriously injured if the current nonsense carries on.

"Keep on coming"? For someone attempting to take a stance on grammar, what the fuck is that? People, glasshouses, stones. I'll let you fill in the rest. That's if you can.

I dont think you are a vetran of the 70's at all. If you were,you'd know the 70's was a time when you went to away games in the knowledge that you were going to end up facing the oppos 'firm.' That applied not just in the first division but all 4 leagues. Football specials were routinely trashed before being withdrawn by a fed up British Rail. It didnt curtail attendances one bit. In any event, the economics of the time drove down our crowds, not violence. The Anny Road was made into all seating, the Kop capacity was reduced to around 16,000 standing from previous highs of 20,000 plus. But if you want to spin yet another yarn albeit inaccurate yet again, knock yourself out. Why dont you enlighten us all on Vilas Boas russian record? 'AVB' and smileys? Guffaws.

Really? Arent zenit the russian version of chelsea though?

He was supposed to be the new mourinho, wasnt he? Someone who'd never played top level football but was a winner, a motivator of men who could pick a team and win no just matches but loads of trophies. Was he a one season wonder in Portugal? Its all gone tits up for him hasnt it? isnt he away somewhere in russia planting trees instead of pulling them up?

We only need wait til the 23rd Century to find out. In Star Trek:TNG, Picard says we'll have moved on from material gain and personal wealth as our goals long before then. Personally, I dont think we'll be happy until we can live with the fact that all mankind is equal irrespective of race, colour or creed and learn to treat things on the Planet as something not to be destroyed for the whim of it.

Football violence in 1985 or the 10 years before, didnt knock 10,000 off our gates. Rampant thatcherism and 3 million plus unemployment nationally and higher percentage wise on Merseyside and the rest of the north, did. Football related violence was far more common throughout the 70's and didnt affect the gates. As usual, you pluck nonsense out of your arse. You really do talk shite.

I get quite disappointed when my farts dont smell. And when they are ripe, I blame the dog cos the missus is funny about that sort of thing.

Hasnt it already? The weight (and wait) of expectations at this club are pulling us down. The mancs went 26 years without a title for the same reason. People can debate all day long what it was that turned them non runners to that first title (cantona's signing, youth players coming of age in the team, ferguson's mentality etc) but whatever it was, no one said there was a magic formula. It wasnt like they ran away with the title all season. I remember walking down Walton Breck after our game (which i think was pretty dire) to hear they were about 8 minutes into added time when bruce scored the winner. Everyone went 'they'll win the fucking league now. I think the biggest thing we have and are missing is the win at all cost mentality. We need the drive to not get beat whether that be at places like arsenal or stoke away. I dont know how you identify players who have it but maybe we will have to be more pragmatic and play not to get beat if we get to a position like we did with chelsea to play last season?

1, Coutinho 2, Skrtel 3, Can

I might be wrong but I think the plaque was on the Main Stand for a couple of years but they moved it inside due to fears it would get defaced (who by I dont know). It then appeared outside the Centenary when the club was getting a lot of stick for having no Heysel Memorial 'on view'. I always understood Liverpool and Juventus had done a lot of bridge building over the years starting with Rush's transfer.

We should have been playing 10 men from the first minute. That's the second time this season a ref has shit out of sending off one of theirs for a shocking tackle on one of ours. fabregas is a snide cunt for that tackle on sterling so early on in the game. The shitehouse. Its a two feet off the ground which is a mandatory straight red. Oh, and cos the shit ref booked him there can be no retrospective action either.

Gerrin Stevie.

Hahahaha! (Isaac Hunt) That's a booking compared to what fabregas got let off with is it, mariner?

Fucking inconsistency between refs is amazing. Atkinson sends gerrard off against the mancs after 30 odd seconds. mariner shit out of a red virtually within the same timeframe then refuses to give the same player a second yellow for another foul on sterling. Just fuck off you corrupt twats.

Fuck off you soft cunts. Show some fucking fight.

That tackle on sterling was a fucking red card, no danger.

I just cant see klopp going to bayern myself.

How many fucking threads do we really need about whether rodgers should be the manager going forward? Thif fread's a disgwace.

This is a dificult one because I do feel a section of our fans were culpable that evening. I went to the final in Rome and from the day we arrived, coaches were vandalised by the locals, we were attacked in the ground by the roma fans lobbing stuff at us then baton charged by knuckle dragging carabinieri indiscriminately. I saw women and very young lads whacked by them. After the game, we were bricked coming out of the stadium, one girl in our group was actually knocked out by a glancing blow and coach windows put in. This, I think carried over to the final the following year. We all know about the state of the Heysel stadium so Im not going over that again.

Im sure he will be. But, god love him, Ed isnt the Labour party.

Sobering reading. Thirty years after a night that scarred football, when 39 people died moments before the Italian side took on Liverpool in the 1985 European Cup final, there are moves to in Turin to mark the loss Heysel stadium disaster, Brussels, 1985: a wall collapses, crushing Juventus fans seeking to escape trouble with Liverpool supporters. Photograph: Eamonn McCabe/The Observer Ed Vulliamy Saturday 9 May 2015 23.03 BST Juventus Football Club of Turin – one of the world’s most prestigious sides, and an Italian national institution – stands this week at a crossroads, epic even by the standards of its own illustrious history. A draw against Real Madrid on 13 May would see the team qualify for the European Cup final, which Juventus won on 29 May 1985 – the night 39 of its fans died when a wall collapsed at the aged Heysel Stadium in Brussels. The tragedy was triggered by Juventus supporters attempting to escape a violent charge by Liverpool supporters. By a twist of fate, if Juve qualify again, the final tie in Berlin will be played just two days short of the 30th anniversary of a football massacre that has been all but airbrushed from mainstream memory in Britain. For too many years, these 39 victims have been subject to scorn … attacking the black and white colours Juventus FC statement On 29 May, Juventus will hold a commemorative mass at the church of the Grande Madre di Dio in Turin, modelled on the Pantheon. A statement by the club announcing the occasion is probably its strongest yet: “For too many years,” it reads, “these 39 victims have been subject to scorn with the sole aim of attacking the black-and-white colours. This is a vile action that has no place in any stadium or sporting debate. This anniversary should also serve as a period of reflection, ensuring that such behaviour is not repeated.” In March, Juventus refused to allow England’s Football Association to lay a wreath at its new stadium before a friendly between Italy and England, lest it detract from Juventus’s own plans. But behind the mass lie months of backstage planning and wrangling among followers of Juventus and the club, and 30 years of painful reckoning – and general failure to reckon – with what the title of a book by reporter Jean-Philippe Leclaire calls: Heysel: the Tragedy Juventus Tried to Forget. Juventus’s reference to “scorn” refers to the glee with which rivals in Italian football have taunted the club over the tragedy. In the minds of the victims’ relatives, that word scorn will apply also to two decades during which Liverpool – city, club and supporters – failed to formally apologise for what its fans had done. On the 20th anniversary in 2005, Bruno Guarini, who lost his son Alberto in the tragedy, said: “We’ve heard nothing from Liverpool or its supporters, no apology, no solidarity, nothing to say they did anything wrong.” But that year, by a twist of fate, Juventus drew Liverpool in the month of the anniversary: militant groups of Liverpool fans organised a mosaic reading Amicizia – friendship – across the Kop, and an official delegation finally visited Turin. Liverpool captain Sami Hyypia joined his counterpart Alessandro del Piero to read out the names of the dead. Juventus’s announcement of the 29 May mass says it is the result of “a heartfelt and sincere dialogue with the Association for the Families of Heysel Victims”, but thereby hangs a tale. Soon after the killings, a group of victims’ relatives was established in Arezzo by Otello Lorentini, whose son Roberto, a doctor, was killed while trying to administer first aid to other fans. The association had become a focal point for those who felt the club had done too little for the bereaved and wounded. The campaign for justice and memory was always championed by Juventus’s organised fans, the ultràs – who gathered in groups with names such as Viking or Drughi (from the Droogs of A Clockwork Orange) on their favoured terrace, the Curva Filadelfia. “We were,” says one Drughi veteran, Salvatore, “always in the front line for truth and justice, to get the dead at Heysel honoured in the proper way.” I was nine. I watched on television and saw the horror in my parents' faces. I grew up that day Andrea Agnelli, Juventus president The club’s reticence changed dramatically in 2010 when Andrea Agnelli – nephew of the man whose name is synonymous with Juventus, the late Fiat boss Gianni Agnelli – took over as president. Agnelli presided over a moving 25th anniversary ceremony at which he said: “I was nine years old – I watched on television and saw the horror in my parents’ faces. I grew up that day, became mature.” Agnelli ensured a beautiful monument at the new stadium of 39 falling stars to represent the dead, and at its opening in 2011 the words “In Memory” were picked out in fire across the pitch. “The atmosphere was transformed,” says Beppe Franzo, one of the veteran fans’ leaders, who has written two books about the Curva and the legacy of Heysel. “The club was involved, the taboo lifted.” “Juventus seemed finally to have made peace with Heysel,” says Domenico Laudadio, designer and curator of the relatives’ association’s “virtual museum”. Facebook Twitter Pinterest Spectators flee the Heysel stadium terraces as the crush (rear left) continues on 29 May 1985: 39 people died. The cup final was still played, and Juventus won 1-0. English clubs were banned from European competition for five years. Photograph: Dominique Faget/AFP For this month’s commemorations, Franzo and Laudadio set to work on projects more ambitious than the mass. One was a striking theatrical production designed by Laudadio, recited by actor Omar Rottoli. It envisaged strong imagery – Calvary, a “river of blood” – and a passage that squarely blames Liverpool fans and European football’s governing body Uefa for the massacre. Franzo had for two years laid plans for a day of collective memory in Turin, to include Laudadio’s text, which “would bring together everyone: fans, relatives and the Juventus club, as it should be. It was also to include our partisans of both extreme right and left, united by their feelings of antagonism. A commemoration from the Curva and the street that belonged to us all: every fan, every family, and Juventus.” Neither plan came to fruition. Laudadio’s drama failed to win the club’s backing: “They totally modified the rhythm, form and words,” he says. “The relatives’ association has decided not to accept the changed text.” Otello Lorentini died last year, but his association was relaunched this January by his grandson Andrea Lorentini, who issued an impassioned plea from Arezzo: “The memories of Heysel, sadly, are solitary ones (I lost my own father there), and we’re happy every time anyone wants to share it with us. We thank Juventus, but we claim our role as guarantors of the memory … We’ll participate in the mass for the fallen; as our only shared [anniversary] moment with the club”. Franzo approved of Juventus’s script changes, but counsels: “If we’re not united, leave it. We know who is to blame, we know who did it – now is the time for something more ambitious.” His vision is that: “On one hand, there is the private memory of each of the families, to be respected. But we also need collective tribute, collective commemoration and collective memory, so that what happened can belong to the history of Juventus and all its fans, as well as the private memories of those who suffered loss.” He seeks official sanction from Turin city council this week for a trip to Brussels to lay wreaths. “To lose your son in that way,” says Guarini in Puglia, “killed by those people, is beyond sorrow. It is something time cannot cure. It leaves you dead in your heart.” A young fan unborn at the time, Alessandro Borghi, added: “Ironically, the families of 96 people in Liverpool know the feeling well. But still we’re mostly forgotten.”

You dont half talk some shit. The number of back flips you've done in this thread would beat the number tom daley could do off the 30m board.