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Thanks for sharing. I wasn't writing about Verstehen. I was writing about the risible moaning both players articulated and/or encouraged about our supposed insufficient reverence towards them as fans. So another issue entirely.

I can see why Gini is still there. He wasn't appreciated enough here. Over there, the 1,809 people who see him regularly really show him the full and proper respect. Same goes for Sadio - Senegal have judged the 2,196 people who watch him every other week are much, much, more respectful than we ever were.

His heart's in the right place. A security box in Liechtenstein.

Not for me. I always hated his attitiude. And I truly believe he's one of those people who only gets pleasure from seeing others lose - all the shushing, all the mocking, all the sneering, all the throwing away of the medals. Winning didn't make him happy, only seeing others fail to win did that. So when he can't see enough of that misery, there's nothing but misery for him. Deep down he's still the PE teacher with the clipboard, the outsider who needs a safe carapace of hate around him to exist in that environment. When you have to drag that persona around with you for so long, it must be draining. It must be like having to appear in panto all year long.

The ghost of Don Revie must have been drenching in ectoplasm in ecstasy at that performance. What a shite-spewing side they are. If the sports hacks had any integrity they'd seize on that god-awful eye-holding farce in the first half as just one example of what they got away with. We should go there and batter the shite of them.

Nothing remotely unexpected, given how they play and what injuries we've got. Sorry to spoil the narrative, but that's the truth. Fulham absolutely despicable with that booking - shameful stuff. Classless booing of a young kid who brought in a good fee for them. Typical. Once again a ref decides that keepers can't be booked until at l;east the 75th minute: if they're wasting time, they're wasting time. 'Respect' and all that - earn it. Second half - up the pace, exploit their own cynicism and get them done.

Yes. I guess the word 'stay' hasn't been covered in Remedial English yet, unless you're talking Advanced Camp, but, well, stay with it.

Graham Potter or whomever the ref actually was just epitomised why PL refs don't deserve any respect. He ignores every act of GBH by Arsenal pretty much the whole match - thus causing huge frustration - and ignores blatant key fouls such as on Gomez in our area - ditto - then, when players are tired and driven crazy by his insane behaviour, he started booking pretty much anyone who doesn't try to kiss him for his decisions. It's no good the PGMOL searching for an incident to 'prove' the world will implode unless all refs are given a cake after the games - these people are shockingly awful, and do not deserve great respect.

A good day for LFC, a sad one for BBC Sport, a tragic one for Shearer. Serves Arsenal right for wearing toilet paper instead of their proper kit, and then shitting it. If only Konate can get fit and stay fit he's a world class defender.

Oh, the gooners are late coming out. What a mastermind Arteta is. They should be 60 up by now. Shearer: ‘Neither team will want a replay’. Mainly because no one wants to hear you again, you daft twat.

Mo has misplaced about a hundred* passes this season. *'A hundred' calculated by the Shearer method of seeing two or three things and then saying a hundred.

It's gone beyond embarrassing. Flattening opponents isn't 'pressing'. And his imaginary high score for Arsenal is inflating by the minute. 'They should be ten up by now' he'll be saying after 50 minutes.

I hate Arsenal and all who sail in her. Why Graham Potter is the ref is a mystery to me, but he's letting Arsenal commit GBH non-stop. Shearer, the sports-washing useful idiot, seems to be desperate to hype them up. 'They should be three up,' he says, after they had three shots in one move - only one would have counted, you potato-headed buffoon. The BBC seems to go limp with favouritism when Norf Lahndan is featured. It's a fecking pain in the arse. Oh yes, that white strip is fecking ridiculous.

...So you're SURE now, are you? You want to go to and live in an appallingly repressive and obscenely intolerant regime to 'help build the sport'? Yeah. You're SURE, now, are you? Cos it'll be REALLY embarrassing and expensive if you change your mind. So you're 100% sure? Yeah. Here we are then. Don't like it.

ONE SHEIKH: Hey, that Henderson guy - he RUNS funny! ANOTHER SHEIKH: Now that you mention it...He DOES run funny. THIRD SHEIKH: Kill him!

No, I disagree. Take the time to look back at what Klopp said, repeatedly, and what his England manager said, repeatedly, about the need for him to start pushing on. They both preached the same message, over quite a long time, and it took quite a long time before it seemed to be absorbed (even as recently as last year, Carsley was saying: ''It's important to me that Curtis doesn't play within himself. He's got to be the best player every day, every game. I think he can score more, I think he can assist more. When he gets in front of goal, he's got that quality. He needs to show it on a regular basis, consistently, for us"). So that's not me being a bit harsh. Sorry, I know you feel compelled to argue with me, but that's not a fair complaint.

Kudos to Klopp for persevering with him. Lots of managers would have regarded his younger self as too 'unfocussed' to fit into their plans and moved him on. Klopp was obviously exasperated by him at times, but kept challenging him to work harder and he did so. Well done to Jones as well for pushing himself, belatedly, in the right direction. I can actually envisage him becoming a bit like Ray Kennedy in his role in the team - creative, industrious and disciplined in midfield but still able to get into the box and score a few goals. A long way to go yet but it's promising.

He's got excellent technique, and he's our main goalscorer, and he's obsessed with adding to his goal tally, so the appetite and ambition is there as well, so he remains the obvious person to take penalties. Very few penalty takers don't go through the odd shaky period. Gerrard certainly did. So Mo missing one every now and then is not in itself a reason to drop him from duties. That said, as someone noted earlier in the thread, it's a bit odd that someone who is described as obsessive about knowing what keepers do, and who has been known to quiz keepers after games about how they prepare for his kicks, was 'surprised' by the Newcastle keeper doing what he usually does. It's also slightly concerning that whenever his confidence does go, he tends to blast it down the middle. That's not uncommon in such states of mind, but it's not the way to get out of a rut. Hitting the corners with force and precision is always the better way. But I don't see a strong case for giving the job to anyone else. What concerns me much more is Trent's Beckham-like monopoly on all the other dead ball kicks. Yes, he can be brilliant, but not every angle and distance, every time, suits him more than one of several other excellent free kick takers in the team. It's always a mistake, IMHO, when a team lets one star dominate every free kick. Some free kicks don't suit Trent, such as those that are close to the area and he keeps trying to get the ball up and down when there's simply not enough distance for it to dip under the bar in time. In that kind of situation, surely it would be worth trying occasionally someone who can hit the ball hard and fast around the wall, such as Szoboszlai. Improving our success rate at free kicks is probably easier than reducing Mo's misses at pens.

Again, I doubt he 'thought' much at all in that moment. And even if we can stop time and ponder the move, as TV likes to suggest we can, I rather doubt he would have thought, 'Even though I'm past the keeper and can slot the ball in as I've done many times before, the better bet will be to fall down, risk a booking and leave it to the player who missed his last penalty'.

This is the problem with slo-mo replays. People project whole chunks of thought and motive into them. They run through a range of options, imagine different decisions, then make a conclusion, entirely divorced from how things work in real time and real life. In real time he moved past the keeper and had the chance to score, and the only instinctive thing to do in that nano second was hit the ball. I don't care how 'slight' the touch seems when frozen in a replay.

We've not been bad in shit conditions. Neville (who ludicrously tries to suggest it's an even game) obviously thinks that unless there's a Glazer involved, it's all down to the players. Mo, as I've said before, is not that confident a penalty player if he keeps being drawn back into those stupid strikes right down the centre. The best takers go for the corners because they have the technique, the confidence and the cool-headedness. Mo has each at certain times but one or the other seems to disappear at times. Oh yes, and they say he's first on the training pitch and last off it - so is it that unreasonable to think he'd work on his right foot every now and again? Second half - bring Elliott on, calm the short-socked artiste Trent down, and play the ball earlier to Nunez before he wanders offside.

Quansah - if our late departed and heavily sainted nerd Michael Edwards had got him for 40m it would be hailed as a genius move. Inglethorpe got him for next to nowt and Klopp brought him on and it's not that much more positive than 'meh'. The guy is a great find.

Ha, 'played it down'! She was shattered she had to explain who she was, that was one thing, then she was too scared to stick to her argument.

They bring in Clattenberg to 'clarify' the offside decision. It's like ending the Watergate hearings by saying, 'Let's get this settled by G. Gordon Liddy...'

I'm really impressed with how smart he is as a player. Good for the squad, at the very least, and he's improving all the time.