Aidan

2 4 3/4 (all had 6 aways, no homes)

I am, been thinking about it for a while and really started to pick and choose my games over the past 2 years - and this after moving over here 4 years ago to go to more games! Expecting twins at any minute has a lot to do with it (sorry qualified for a ticket with 12 credits but its gone to someone with 6 aways who missed out), but its been coming for a while. Ever increasing ticket prices, footballers earning more and more money, getting treated like shite, the stadium move and the takeover, gobsh!tes all over the place mean going the game isnt worth it anymore. Euro aways were the last bastion, even they've been ruined in the past few seasons with bellends all over the place. The lads I go away with have been talking about watching non league and heading off a few times a season to watch footy in France/Germany/Czech Rep instead - cheaper flights, have a laugh, cheap tickets, ale in the ground, no gobsh!tes running around the place. Thing is, the only thing that is keeping me from jibbing it completely right now is I'd like to bring my kids up as match going reds. I don't have a clue what to do, hopefully their arrival and a summer break will help me make my mind up .

It might be offensive to Igor and its certainly offensive to me. It would make a shite banner. Keep flags simple.

Am I the only one not happy today? Let me say now that I'm not going to make any judgements on the new owners yet, but this seemingly universal happiness and the fawning over previously reviled big business Yanks coming in a buying our clubs leaves me cold. Especially when most doing the celebrating have been having a go at Chelsea for the doing the exact same thing for the last 3 years.

Not to my knowledge! C*nt. ;)

There's f*cking loads of em. PSV, Bordeaux and Anderlecht away was like being away with Engerland.

Look, ultimately Liverpool Football Club belongs to Liverpool, the city, and its people. First and foremost, Liverpool Football Club is Scouse. End of. Its was founded in Liverpool, it was supported by Liverpudlians long before Europeans Cups were won, long before FA Cups were won, long before c*nting Sky. Now that is not to say that non-scousers are not welcome, the opposite is the case in my experience. Anyone who says it isn't is talking out their arse. Scousers are among the most friendly, welcoming people you could meet. The vast majority of the f*ckers LOVE having people from all over the world support their team. They welcome everyone. But that welcome is conditional. As it should be, too. Non-scousers need to be aware that when they go to Anfield, they are going to Liverpool the city. Its a stretch to say they are guests of the city, but not a mighty leap. So the customs and traditions of the locals should be respected at all times. Not necessarily agreed with, but considered and appreciated. When you go to someone's house, do you walk in, take the comfiest seat and grab the remote? Too often fans at Anfield are completely clueless to the history of the club, never mind the city. They don't care about the traditions, the songs, the Liverpool ethos. To many, its like a day trip to Alton Towers. They walk around like they own the place, mocking the scouse accent and laughing about the Anfield area. In my view, RTK is about reclaiming Anfield so that the people in the ground actually have some affinity, feeling and passion for the club. Anyone who thinks its anti-OOT has a massive persecution complex and needs to learn a bit more about what RTK is trying to achieve rather than immediately dismiss it and throw around empty words like elitist or, as I saw earlier in this thread, apartheid. FFS.

Gav, a question for you. Give me an honest answer. How would you feel if a load of people from Kerry started going to Cork games and then started bringing green and gold flags in? Not the slightest bit of resentment? Honestly?

Its been mentioned in every report in the papers I've seen. More than that, for the Kop to chant and show the mosaic for the whole six minutes was spine tingling. Shows what can be achieved.

So, this unsuccessful, monstrosity of a campaign then.....

How did that go for you mate?

Cochaer's post isnt, is it?

Its not, and even if it was, why the f*ck should it matter? What's this, fanzine wars?

I used them for a months trial. Cancelled as I was away for 2 months - my problem with them is that you have to cancel by phone, no other way to do it, it's an 0870 number and there's no details of the cost of the call on the website.

I'm slightly worried about some comments on here about RTK. Might I start by saying I have absolutely no affiliation or association with RTK, or indeed RAOTL, as some seem to think that RTK is an RAOTL thing - its not by the way, its supported by it, as I'd hope other LFC fanzines would be. I haven't bought RAOTL in about 2 years. I havent been to any RTK meetings, I only looked at the website for the first time yesterday. I fail to see where RTK has come to be seen as an anti-OOT manifesto? I don't think its mentioned anywhere on the site or anything I've read that's come from them. In fact, all I've seen is stuff along the lines that "fans are fans, no matter where they come from". Also, RTK doesn't come from RAOTL - it started from one post on RAOTL, but that's it. Chris, I think you're coming across as self-righteous yourself. Maybe read some of the stuff and you'll see there's a sh!tload of banners in the Kop and a mosaic which will be held up after the kick off for 6 minutes. It may not be a roaring success, but it will be seen by the media at large and at the very least it will let MacKenzie and the S*n know how Liverpool fans feel. As for telling people how to behave, they're not really are they? You're being facetious - its about trying to pass on education and values, not lay down the law. No one is trying to turn the Kop and Anfield into a group of non-individual superfans. I was out of the country for most of December and havent been to a game since PSV so haven't been to the website that often, and I havent witnessed anything first hand at the match, so maybe I'm not best placed to be interpreting the ethos of RTK, but I've started so I'll finish. From what I can see its about trying to do something about getting back to being what fans should be - Loyal, supportive, noisy. It's not really about jester hats, is it? They're just a symbol, rightly or wrongly, of what's wrong with football these days - the moaning, lack of knowledge of the songs and the traditions, Sky, "fans" with no clue where the Kop is or what the difference between a programme and a fanzine is. If you accept that that's the way football is going and think its fine, fair enough, the RTK will mean nothing to you. For me, the things I list above are slowly making me stop going the game. Simple as. Therefore I'm right behind RTK. As long as it's done correctly - done with a smile and a laugh, not some "superfan prick" mouthing off and ordering some poor c*nt to sing properly. Again, to my knowledge, those leading RTK are pro-education, ant-vilification. You will get uppity gobshites screaming at jester hat wearing day trippers, but those are individuals, who probably would've done it with or without RTK. The RTK aren't telling anyone not to wear replica kits - again this is individuals getting carried away. No one is being told what to do - I'm damn sure no one's going to tell me. Some people are using RTK to make "rules" about what fans should be - not RTK, individuals! About what it achieves, there's a difference between Wigan away and a Liverpool - Arsenal FA cup game live on the BBC. We'll see, maybe you're right, but at least something is being done. Its better than just shrugging our shoulders and accepting it isn't it? Its very easy to do nothing. I don't see why its a bad thing to "mix" RTK and the HJC? In fact, isn't part of being a Liverpool fan, jester hat wearer or super fan prick or somewhere in the middle, that you support the justice campaign? What are you saying here? The RTK are anti jester hats because their not official LFC products? I'm rushing now as I gotta to do some work, but basically I think RTK is a good thing. I'm fed up with being in a Kop where you're stared at for trying to sing and create an atmosphere. When anti Chelsea and Manure songs get more of an airing when we're not playing them. Where EASEH is the biggest song of the day. It is getting to the stage where I beginning to hate the time in the stadium. Its forcing me out. RTK is setting out to address that. Therefore its a good thing. There is a belief among some that RTK is some kind of lynch mob after all OOTs, telling people what to wear and how to behave. Not so, in my opinion. As I said some individuals are laying down the law on the back of RTK, but is RTK to blame for that? You asked Reclaim the Kop from whom? My personal answer is in bold above. PS This debate is good. Long may it continue.