Numero Veinticinco

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Six times champions of Europe.

Yeah, but the stage was blue. Forever in their shadow. 

You do have to win to be a winner. He is a winner. 

We argue. We fight. But fuck it, I love you. Get in.

@Tony Moanero Sorry to ruin your flash scores. We fucking won. 

That's terrible. 

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Thats in my opinion a fair and  even handed post. I agree with most of it.

Im just putting forward the imo legitimate view of why people want to leave the eu. I dont think this forum on this issue (no disprect on dave or posters) is representative of the country as as a whole, as proven by the recent vote 

 

I too can see why the eu  posters like angry point to stay in, i understand. Im begining to think its to costlly to poll out.  I dont want the right wing tories let loose. 

 

But i still and will always believe the eu is a busted flush.

It is busted. It’s shit in a lot of ways. Like you, I think it’s too costly to pull out. 

Now, explain how I’m a luvvie who supports austerity and you, who has come around to the same opinion, isn’t. 

19 hours ago, viRdjil said:

Interesting article this I found. I don’t envy Corbyn.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/29/wigan-labour-brexit-lisa-nandy-second-referendum-brexit-party?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3ipYoMyOP4ix_ZV9Ki--fk8e9PRIyib5t2VpLq0TMTC8epjzyc3lvTGbU#Echobox=1559126038

 

 

Are they from fucking Wigan?

2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Agreed.

 

It's the tedious, entirely transparent, pretence that he's being "fair and balanced" that is so boring. 

It's beyond fucking nonsense. I'm going to have to bust out the Phil Collins caps in a minute. 

2 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Erm, I'll treat literally everyone and everything in a fair and balanced way. 

 

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4 minutes ago, TK421 said:

It's my view, shared by the author, that Campbell was complicit in a "common plan or conspiracy" (Nuremberg) relating to "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression" (Nuremberg again).  Due to his role in sexing up the dossier presented to Parliament. 

Final time. Which specific war crime did Campbell commit? Because what you’re describing isn’t a war crime. As for the ‘we didn’t find WMDs’... yes, that’s not Campbell committing a war crime. I’ll read the article later and respond in full. 

Just now, TK421 said:

Which would you prefer?

You, as you are the one I’ve been talking to. But you seem completely unwilling to directly answer my question. 

Just now, TK421 said:

You won't need to guess.  It's perfectly clear in the text and takes five minutes to read.

 

 

Shall I have the discussion with you or the author of the article? 

4 minutes ago, TK421 said:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/britain-loves-war-criminal/

I guess I’ll read all that and guess at the specifics then? Then it will be easier to say ‘no, that’s not what I meant’. Cool waste of my time. 

Is there, at least, a list of specific war crimes committed by Campbell in that link? 

3 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

The only thing I know about Rory Stewart is that he's smoked opium. 

I think I started a thread about him once. Something like ‘Tories you don’t hate’. 

Just now, TK421 said:

Those that moof referred to earlier.  There is a prima facie case against Campbell which is more than sufficient to bring a prosecution under principles of international law flowing from Nuremberg. 

No, there isn’t, this is why I’m asking for specifics. I’m asking specifically what he did and which war crime/s he committed, only then can I make a counter argument or accept that he has committed war crimes.

I’d suggest you click the link moof posted, then go to the section below and read about war crimes. 

Just now, TK421 said:

His role in the illegal war against Iraq should be prosecuted, in my opinion.

Which war crime, exactly, did he commit? I mean, it’s a fairly strong claim. Surely there’s some specific war crime he has commit for him to be called a war criminal. You say ‘his role’. He, a press secretary, commit what war crime? 

Just now, TK421 said:

Well, yeah, in the same way that OJ Simpson is technically innocent.

Which war crime, exactly, did he commit? 

35 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Only judicially because he hasn't been tried.

And on the technicality that he hasn’t actually committed any war crimes. 

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3 hours ago, moof said:

He fabricated a dossier to take us into an illegal war that killed a million Iraqis, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. I honestly don’t give a fuck what you want to call it

Well, that’s not quite true but he’s not a war criminal. 

4 minutes ago, Aventus said:

To be honest the first episode is probably the worst. You'd be better off starting on a different one. 

He shouldn't bother. He won't like it. 

10 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

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Shit post and you can't spell. 1/10, wouldn't read again.

8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

SD's favourite martyr? No, I don't like the guy and never have, and him being excluded from Labour unquestionably aids my party's prospects.

 

But if you only criticise unfair treatment of people you like, then you're not being principled, you're being partisan.

I question it. Leaving aside my view that you are, by a significant margin, the most partisan person on this site and possibly the most partisan person I've ever spoken to online, how does the expulsion of a single member, one as widely hated as Campbell, aid your party's prospects? 

Those already swayed by the 'Lib Dems are the party of remain' claptrap will already have switched. Those who know that Labour are the only chance of either a softer Brexit or remain are already voting for Labour and are unlikely to be swayed by the likes of Campbell being booted. 

You and those who want to stay in Europe, or at least stay in many of the important parts of it, should - if you really care about staying in Europe, and you're not partisan - should temporarily switch your vote to Labour. I'm not talking in the irrelevant European Parliamentary election, but the ones that actually make a difference to whether or not we will avoid this Brexit/No-deal disaster. 

For the avoidance of doubt, my question was... how does it aid the Lib Dems? 

Ah, exactly what I expected. You never let me down, Vlad. 

For me, it's one of the funniest, most intelligent, low-key soul touching TV shows ever made. Glad you gave it a full 10 minutes before deciding it wasn't. 

19 hours ago, redheart said:

Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia series 9 episode 3 : The Gang Tries Desperately To Win An Award

Yes, without a doubt. It is so funny. It's fucking brilliant.

On 29/05/2019 at 10:28, VladimirIlyich said:

Going to give that Rick and Morty a go as I saw it on Netflix list of programmes.

I'm going to be really interested in hearing your opinion on Rick and Morty. 

15 hours ago, moof said:

The Principles applied at Nuremberg in 1945-6 make clear that “complicity in the commission of a crime against peace … is a crime under international law”. A “crime against peace”, these Principles state, means one of two things: “(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances”; or “(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).”

 

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/INTRO/390

Nope. 

Do you really want to get into this? It's going to be a massive waste of time, considering both the position he held and the rest of the law - and the meaning of war criminal - but I suppose I could make a coffee and waste an hour. Or... you could just (please) say... nah, fuck it.