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Fucking hell, pot kettle. Im a right wing loon now? Hilarious! :D :D :D Top post man, top post.

Im a right wing loon now? Hilarious! :D :D :D Top post man, top post.

Thanks Brad

Whoa. The fact you include peaceful demonstrations just shows you as one eyed. They were nothing of the sort. Again, do away with the facts that don't fit your perspective. Anyway I'm done, some of you are fucking batshit mental.

In what way? I agree theres a problem, just not a sweeping one that justifies mass protesting hypocrites, puts everyone in the same boat and makes this country look totally fascist. If you think whats happening now is progression and the way to solve this moving forward, well then great. But theres loads of other people suffering too.

Im talking about the way John Barnes conducts himself.

I said theres no reasoning with you, no common ground. Just anger and frothing because I'm not seeing it your way.

Tell John Barnes that when you meet him.

Again, no reason, just anger.

They are just organisations and web pages mate. Theres organisations and web pages for racism. Theres been next to no action taken. Im talking a frenzied campaign to stamp it out, not just a few web pages and the odd article.

So do i deserve equality? Or because I'm not black and scouse, it doesn't count? The point I'm making is discrimination is discrimination and its as old as time and deep rooted. You will only get change through common sense, not by revolt. Like the Grinch says, it starts with yourself, are you going to let the world kick you down or are you going to do something about it without resorting to violence? Plenty of people have done this. John Barnes is a great example. He was getting shot down right and left for his views the other day by his own. This is a guy who walked through it and won hearts and minds, who talks with compassion and common sense and isn't quick to condemn and judge.

Equally your claim that everyone in the world being held back by racism is a sweeping statement. Not everyone has. And not everyone has for the colour of their skin but for a multitude of things including their looks, disability, personality, education and even how they talk. We judge people all the time outwardly and our opinions of people are made in the first 30 seconds of meeting them. if someone doesn't give me a job because they don't like the twang of my scouse accent, or i've got grey hair is that discrimination? Thats human nature.

Do their opinions not count?

I agree. I've been labour all my life but when the right start making more sense you have to wonder... The hypocrisy is the bit I'm having real difficulty with but it seems like others are happy to gloss it over. I mean if we want to talk slavery, wheres the modern movement to remove human trafficking, grooming gangs, forced labour and child slavery? And what about the biggest killer of black people in the United States? Oh that would be Black People. 90% in fact. Oh and what about the Black Cop who died the other week, Underwood, who died defending a building? Or the many ethnic business owners who lost their livelihoods through the riots? Not a fucking peep. And you know why? Because it doesn't further the goal or the agenda. In the States this is being weaponised by the left against the right for the ferocious desire to remove Trump, just like they've done with Covid. A political war thats as bad as I've ever seen it, the dislike by both groups is truly off the scale. And it stinks. Now i don't give a crap about Trump either way but it also shows that there is no real desire for change by the people who could do something about it. If Biden gets in he won't change a thing, just watch. Politicians really don't give a shit. To be honest the whole thing is a shitshow, no one wins, it just fractures communities more and more. The States does have a problem still, but I don't believe its the same over here at all. Its my kids and future generations i feel sorry for.

Blazing Saddles? Do they still even sell the dvd?

I don't doubt for one second it goes on. But for your example theres the opposite experience. In my example, theres been a lot of diversity across the companies I have worked for in the creative industry. Theres been much more of a balance of ethnic minorities in senior positions and i've worked with and under several extremely talented women in the design field. My current boss is a woman. The problems arise when its suddenly all or nothing, when the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Stop talking sense! Everyone is a racist don't you know. You've put it much better than I. Its just not as simple as folks make it out. Theres multiple scenarios that create these situations, and you are right, a lot of immigrants will have come in with next to nothing and having to work their way upward which can be difficult FOR ANYONE. Thats not to say they don't encounter bigotry through their lives.

You have no reason. Therefore our conversation is at an end.

Socio economic problems are not just born from racism, they are multi faceted. They start with responsibility for your own actions. If a child doesn't study hard they don't get the grades unless you are suggestingthe teachers refusing to teach because of the childs skin colour? Again .gov doesn't say. We agree to disagree here.

I've read through the list and the links off to the various facts and figures. These feels, mostly (not saying rascism doesn't play a part here) like social circumstances and not a race problem. A vicious circle of ethnic minorities from poor backgrounds being caught in the system. Even if you link to the .gov site it gives no detail around why these facts are the way they are. Why are the kids getting poor results at school compared to others? Is it pushing them into crime as a direct result? Does that result in more suspicion, arrests and more stop and searching? Does it result in lower paid jobs and unemployment? What about mothers dying in childbirth? Again it presents no details, it just says they are more likely to die. Is it their ethnic makeup? Is it lack of quality care on the NHS? Are they being frozen out? What is it? This just feels like an opportune time to post stuff 'as facts' but lacking in any of the real detail that could attest to it being linked to racism in some way.

Learn more what? That you are guilty by association if you are white? Because thats what is happening here. Im not a racist, I'm sure you arnt and most of this forum is so why do we have to be shamed into feeling guilty? Again though, I've worked in some big corps in the last 20 years and I've not seen this systemic and institutional racism you talk about as the workforce has been quite diverse considering the demographic makeup. If you go back 100 or so years the world would be unrecognisable to what it is now. Fuck, the 80s is unrecognisable to now. Generations have got it wrong over the years in many areas, fixing one problem though just causes other problems. We are a corrupt being. You are wrong about the poor upbringing. It takes effort, guts and determination to work your way out of that situation, no matter what your skin colour is. You don't get these things handed to you on a plate.

No because we live in a country that embraces, for the most part, multiculturalism. Remember that when you get your chippy tonight.

This country is so racist it allows mosques and muslim communities to exist. Imagine that.