Liverbnz
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No Gerrard would have been valued at the beginning of his contract and depreciated over the the period of that contract. Reducing the debt helps if it doesn't have a detrimental effect on how the team performs. Selling our 2 top players clearly will have an effect. Less shirt sales, less attractive to investors, new players and less performance on the pitch meaning less prize money, gate receipts, and on and on. Furthermore, no one wants to lend these pair of clowns any money.
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It's not impossible but it is a ridiculous scenario. The Yanks have been hawking the world looking for loans the last 3 years. Banks will not touch them with a bargepole. If they could loan money they would have done it a long time ago and the club would not be for sale. Selling valuable assets and reducing debt will not increase the chances of getting any more loans. The only feasible way to reduce debt is to seek investment, hence Purslow, but he failed.
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They aren't intangible, and assets are valued at cost not sale price.
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1. I agree, but that's a matter of opinon but your original point was still bollox. 2. I fucking know he has been funded - my point is that it is less so that Spurs, City, Chelsea and United. Squad worth 70% of Uniteds and 55% of Chelsea. Hardly a level paltying field now is it? If you can point out one manager that has won a League whilst as poorly funded comparitively as Rafa then bully for you. You won't though so don;t waste your time. Better of lower your fucking expectancy. 3. Stop fucking twisting my words - I said everyone does it. Rafa clearly has less scope for it as he has less fucking money. No one is bloody perfect, you can't get them all right, especially when you have to shop at 3/4 levels below your rivals at times. 4. Again twisting my words to suit your arguement. Are you incapable of having a debate? If your such a fucking genius with tactics then how would you deal with all the injuries? Beach ball at Sunderland? Keystone Kops at the back? I suppose you still think we lack creativity despite that us scoring at an extremely healthy rate in the PL but leaking like an old tap? Let me know though please what you have done to become such a tactical genius, or even let us know a few things you 'know' about tactics. 5. What anyone else has to do with I don't know. How many other clubs have to trade up to where they get? If you don't invest you aren't going to improve enough, that is a fact.
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1) We did get money back from Keane and could theoretically get it all back so wrong on that pint. 2) A manager could be at a club for a million years - if he isn;t funded like his main rivals he is at a major disadvantage. 3) Rafa has of course made poor signing, so has everyone else - the only difference being our main rivals, can replace the rubbish immediately with another 20m-30m signing, whereas we can't. 4) Rafa making awful tacitical decisions? I'm sorry but what the fuck do you know about tactics? Are you a professional on this matter? Decisions our always fraught with risk in football, some more than others. YOu get some wrong you get some right. 5) Net spend isn;t an arguement? So you expect a team to improve whilst others are spending millions more on transfers how exactly? Fucking magic dust or something. Improvements are made with many factors. Money is key, if Liverpool don't invest they will go backwards.
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Look mate - I ain't saying that Tomkins is a God of jounalism and neither do I enjoy references to United or Fergie. What he does have is perspective which a lot of people don't. Neither does Tomkins work for LFC - he gives an article to the website usually once a week that is then usually heavily edited by those who work on the website - edits he doesn't really agree with. He gets a nominal fee. He doesn't advertise outside his website, he doesn't go on TV, he doesn't give interviews to papers (1 maybe recently that was minimal). So he aint on some sort of pwer trip or neither does he force his stuff on others. Gary Mac - I like him quite a bit, but what has he done in management to be able to have valid opinions on Rafa? Same with Ronnie Whelan and Souness. Why is it time to deliver for Rafa? We are at our worst point in history, finacially (relatively compared to our main rivals and others - City, Spurs, etc). We finished with 86 pts last season - 4 off the top. The club should have been investing. Instead we sold Keane, Alonso, Leto, Arbeloa et al for around 60m, not to mention Hyypia leaving, and only reinvested less than 40m of that back into the team. How do you expect a manager to improve with that? Our net spend for the last years is zero. Again how are we suppose to improve? Added to that injuries, the shambles in defence and poor form of other more senior memebers are not just excuses for our poor form, but vaild reasons for our extremely poor start of this season. I apologise if my posts seem like I talking from on high, because I am certainly not above any other Liverpool fan and nor am I intending to come across that way. I am only trying to put perspective on things not knee-jerking to certain conclusions without any real basis of fact. A lot of people do that, and I don't need to tell you that do I?
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Fair enough mate - my bad. I totally misread what you meant. You are spot on - the only option for Liverpool Football Club is build long-term. The money isn't there for a quick 2-3 stint at the top. We can't rebuild like United within 3 or so years. It's another reason why I can't understand the calls from Liverpool fans for Hiddink, Mourinho and the like. They haven't built any club they have managed. Just drop by for a quick shag and an ego-boost and off they go like the great managers they are let on to be.
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You still haven't answered my question. Explain how he is wrong. For the most part he doesn't even provide that much opinion, he presents facts. I haven't seen any articles where he starts of, 'I think' Facts are facts and they can't be subjective - they are always right no matter what. The reason people agree with him when we are winning and do the opposite when we are losing is because most people are knee-jerkers who can't think for themselves. This is a fundamental issue with today's society. We are never taught to think for ourselves at school so we never learn. We are taught to do what we are told and when to do it. Most are swayed by what Sky, papers, other knee-jerkers say. 'oh that's what they say, so I'll say it to cos it must be right'. They fail to check if they are indeed right or wrong, and for the most part they don't care. There are many theories to back it up. Bad news spreads much faster than good news, that's a fact.
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So you are more and this everybody are more equipped to judge whether a player is able to start. More equipped than professionals like doctors, physions, coaches and managers. What the fuck Aquilani would have done to solve our problem is beyond me. Our main issue is in defense, we are still scoring goals, even without our main goalscorer. And who is to blame. We sell Alonso, Arbeloa, Leto, Keane and a few others for 50-60m depending on bonus payements and we reinvest only 40m of that? This is when we were the closest to the League we have ever been and we should be investing to improve the squad not keep it the same (or worse in your opinion). Arbeloa, Hyypia and Jonhson needed replacing and that's all we've been afforded to do. How the are you supposed to improve a squad if you aren't even given the money to even replace those who have left with adequate replacements? Aquilani's recouperation is taking longer than expected. Hardly the manager's fault. He can only go on advice given by doctors and medical staff as he doesn't have any expertise in this field, bit like you, me and most others. There are some issues I personally have problems with, but who I am to say I am a better judge than Liverpool's manager and coaching staff? Which also conicides with the worst period in our history financially in comparison to our rivals. There was no Chelsea or (now) Man City in Houllier days or Evans days or Sounness days. We weren't outpent by Spurs in the 90's or early 00's. The competetion at the top is at its toughest point yet. Long gone our the days teams would come up from lower divisions and win the League. (Leeds 88/89 21st 2nd tier, 89/90 promoted to 1st tier, 91-92 League champions). We broke the transfer record (British) in 1995 (I think). We'll never do that in our current situation. We are no longer on a level playing field with Chelsea, Man U, Spurs, Man City and now Arsenal-(revenue wise), so how fans can realistically expect us to challenge for the title every year is beyond me? Rafa is not perfect, nor completely blameless, but who the fuck would be? He, and maybe Capello are the only 2 managers that have won League titles with teams that where funded unfavourabley (largely) in comparison to their main rivals. Not Hiddink, not Mourinho, not Martin O'Neill, not Alex Ferguson, not Arsene Wenger, Rafa Benetiz at Valencia. It is no guareentee that he'll do it here, butif he goes there is a very good chance Liverpool will be worse off, whilst only minimal chance we will get better.
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Apologies mate but what are you implying if you say you aren't greedy because you go to matches?
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:whistle:
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As opposed to the one line quips on this site that have little to no basis of fact.
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Comintg to the wrong conclusions? And you basis for that arguement is?
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So because you spend money on travelling around the country you deserve to have trophies? I think you should be supporting Newcastle mate.
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Brainless twat.
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No he didn't support Houllier, your making that up. He only tries to present the facts. He spends hoors each day on research while you probably scratching your fat hole, nodding in agreement with Ronnie Whelan and Paul Merson. What gives you the fucking right to pass judgement of a journo that probably works as hard as anyone despite having an illness.
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Is this the same 'everyone' who thought Gerrard wasn't a right midfielder and yet he went on to score 23 goals? Is this the same 'everyone' who thought Gerrard wasn't a SS and it was negative to play only Torres up front? Is this the same 'everyone' that thought Torres would never score us enough goals? Is this the same everyone that thought taking Mascherano out of the WHU reserves was a joke? Is this the same everyone that couldn't believe we bought Yossi Benayoun, only for him to go on and be an extremely important memeber of the team? Is this the same everyone that laughed at us buying Peter Crouch, only for them same twats to ridicule Rafa for not keeping him? Is this the same everyone who thought rotation was a 'useless foreign approach' until super Fergie started using it? Get a FUCKING bit of PERSPECTIVE. As soon as you and everyone else start realising that history has fuck all to do with anything now then maybe you can get up off your knees and start smelling your own crap. Football is now money orientated. We are in the worst position relatively to our rivals in our history, and that is fact. 'Ah but Rafa has money and he wastes it' - who the fuck doesn't? Look at the fucking money Mourinho chucked away at Chelsea and Inter (400m spent in 5 years and with no need to sell to fund) and still couldn't win a CL. Look at the scattergun approach Fergie uses. But look at what Rafa has brought instead of being a negative cunt. We were closer to the title last year than we have been in 20 years and yet Rafa can't even have the money he earned from the sales of Alonso, Keane, Leto, Arbeloa and others. Rafa has questions to answer, certainly, but he is nowhere near the main culprit(s). WE CAN NOT AFFORD TO GO TOE TO TOE WITH OUR RIVALS. GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL.
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What? So I made it up then? Or maybe it has been common consensus even before Robbie left and confirmed by the Tony Evans interview with Rafa in the Times last week. But sure your right, even though you have fuck all to back it up with.
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I didn't say that - quit with the misquoting. Robbie Keane couldn't deal with the pressure at Liverpool when he was an experienced international, while N'Gog is improving all the time and scoring goals. He was involved in out last 4 goals, despite being still a young and raw talent. Playing for Spurs and Liverpool is completely different. One is expected to win the League and CL every year, and the other is expected to do far less despite their squad costing more and there expenditure surpassing even Chelsea FFS! I would take the Spurs Robbie Keane any day - well the 2006-07 one. That is not relaity though is it?
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Only one person can answer that question, and I doubt he ever will. It was mind-boggling to say the least.
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So, even know it has been common knowledge for a while, and Rafa confirmed it last week in his only ever interview with a paper since coming to England, you think you know better? Based on what exactly? Did Rafa want Keane? Yes Did he want him at the expense of Barry? No Did he want him for the majoirty of his 2008 budget? No Facts mate. Use them.
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Not at the expense of Barry. He wanted both or at the very least Barry. He did not want his whole summer budget blown on Robbie Keane. He is not worth that money and never was at any stage in his career. Rafa knew that, I knew that, you knew that and I'm sure Parry did as well, so it begs the question why Parry was so fucking eager to pay out our whole budget on him?
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Another stunner from one of the most knowledgeable posters in the wild web. Well done. Hats are off!