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Israeli's killing Palestinians and Hamas killing Israeli's.

I don't think they ever will. At least, not in any depth. They'll continue bombing from afar and then they'll make a foray into the northern part of Gaza for a bit and then they'll withdraw under some pretext and everything will return to the way it was. They'll lose a lot of soldiers invading the whole of gaza - far more than they are willing to sacrifice. And Hezbollah will be waiting to open a second front if they over commit themselves. That's my armchair general analysis anyway.

I am by no means defending the Israeli's here because I don't put it beyond them to fake something like this. But earshot.ndo do say that they can't categorically state it's a fake. Edit: Very happy to disqualify it as a source of evidence though given that I never considered it a source of evidence.

I'm sure they do.

Yeah, good on them. The more questions the better. 1 major flaw there though - the missile will have changed course when it failed\was intercepted.

Let's hope they don't mean it this time

Oh I see. Yes, makes sense. Can you point me towards the reports of those strikes because I can't find them. Yes, you are right. The Palestinian chronicle states But I can't find anything more about that attack. Edit: Found some info https://www.anglicannews.org/news/2023/10/anglican-run-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza-damaged-by-israeli-rocket-fire-as-conflict-continues.aspx But if it had been an Israeli rocket attack, we'd have seen the flame of the rocket in the night sky in the live feed. Anyway - I think I have laboured my point long enough now. People will believe what they want to believe and that's fine - everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Yes indeed. And the big ones are used by Israel.

Not sure what your point is there.

Or maybe it was a rocket, like in the videos. If it wasn't a JDAM, then what was it and how did it get there?

Doubt it - from the crater and rubble it's pretty obvious it's a JDAM. The hospital strike in contrast is pretty obvious it isn't.

Whilst I am happy with the evidence, a great many aren't. An independent investigation would help others.

Ok fair enough. We're all entitled to an opinion.

Why? What are you seeing in the evidence that other people aren't? I'm genuinely interested.

Channel 4 don't come to a conclusion. They ask for an independent investigation. I agree with that. https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation

Everyone is right to question it. The evidence is there though for anyone who wants to see it.

Absolutely, although I doubt they would be able to get a true picture from anyone. Doesn't change the footage of the rocket failing\being intercepted and then exploding in the hospital (which was geolocated) when it hit the ground though. So if there were planes before and they hit the hospital, then there would be multiple craters not one. And jets carry serious weapons - JDAMs which would leave a massive crater, but the crater in the car park is small. This smells to me like someone is pressuring Al Jazeera to change the narrative. I can even imagine they are embarrased the evidence came from them.

Al Jazeera trying to change the narrative there for their own agenda. They also don't address the small impact crater.

Article about the links: https://www.thejc.com/news/news/several-groups-behind-london-pro-palestinian-march-have-links-to-hamas-1dTlHEq2XhvdqUGvvwPBJV

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/al-ahli-arab-hospital-piecing-together-what-happened-as-israel-insists-militant-rocket-to-blame

From the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67144061

Israel have bombed plenty, and should be held to account. On this occassion, however, the evidence does suggest it wasn't them. This incident, while tragic, is distracting from all the other atrocities happening in the region and is being used to push for a wider conflict.

And you are right to question everything you see and hear. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't know. It hit the car park.