Ron B

Popped over to GOT to see what they’re saying. Couldn’t spot any forums titled “We are fucked beyond measure” but there a lovely thread started on Monday explaining that the four-month winless run was actually three-and-a-bit months and included a solitary win in an FA Cup third round replay. 
 

1 hour ago, johnsusername said:

What are they spending £20m a month on? 

Owing £225m, on an interest rate of 10.25%, to just one of their creditors, would be the first place I’d look. 
I’ve suggested before that 777 may have never had any intention of actually buying them, just piling debt onto them and making a load of cash out of their desperation. Ironically, whilst that explanation now looks more likely than ever, it also looks less like it will succeed because the entire edifice is threatening to crumble. 

What a two-sentence combo:

When asked on Monday about the firm advising Everton, Daniel Butters, Teneo’s chief executive of financial advisory, said: “We don’t comment on any client situations.” The phone line then went dead.

5 hours ago, luxury_scruff said:

I'm getting bad vibes about this appointment.

 

It's too soon for him, and it's being driven by an over-confident Michael Edwards.

I hope it is being driven by Michael Edwards. That’s his job.

Is it too soon? He’s two years younger than Klopp was when he joined. He won’t have spent so long as a manager (eight years rather than 14) but if “Has been managing for ages” was a guarantee of success then we’d all currently be wailing over Hodgson’s retirement. 
There was a lot of excitement about Amorim; by just about every barometer which matters to me I think Slot looks like a better choice.

3 hours ago, Lee909 said:

 

I've read this twice to make sure, as I will stand no slander of Dolly. 

 

Brilliant sing writer and a incredible woman. 

 

What is Dolly Parton's book program?

 

Each month, Dolly Parton's Imagination Library mails a high quality, age appropriate book to all registered children, addressed to them, at no cost to the child's family

 

As of November 2023, Dolly's childhood literacy program has gifted over 224 million books to children across the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia, and the Republic of Ireland

 

 

 

 

 

Dolly is great but her version of Stairway is not a patch on Led Zep’s original. 
Her only downside is that she wears the same size bra as Martin Samuel. 

6 hours ago, Scott_M said:

He’s refused to play or train or something this weekend…

 

 

Clearly inaccurate. 
 

He’s 29.  

3 hours ago, Code said:

Gary O’Neil seems like a decent guy though and he’s been at the club while Klopp has been here, Rodgers seemed to be the biggest prick on the planet. 

I know I’ve told this story before, but…

I used to be involved in a football-related charity that one year saw us bring a couple of guys over from El Salvador. It’s a dirt poor country (the Watford Gap service station had them wandering around in awe). 
We took them to a game at Anfield, and hung around the stadium afterwards. And by pure chance, we bumped into Rodgers (he was manager at the time) just getting into his car. We asked if he’d be happy to meet the Salvadorans and it was no bother at all for him - he didn’t just greet them in English, he chatted happily away in Spanish for a good five minutes. 
None of that means I want Rodgers back as manager. None of that means he’s a saint. But he’ll always be alright by me. 

6 hours ago, Fowlers God said:

If its not a "TOP" Manager getting the job I would much prefer someone like Gary Oneil to be given a chance. The problem is we need more than a coach at LFC as opposed to Emery/That fraud Stig keeps banging on about at Spurs. Fuck me anyone can win a title in Scotland. May as well get Rodgers back if thats the criteria. 

 

And if there is no one out there for the next x5-10yrs for an appointment then give it to Carlo to steady the ship for x2 yrs whilst we look for what we need. 

 

 

Gary O’Neil:

•Young British manager

•Early in his career

•Hasn’t won anything 

•Did well with smaller clubs

•Progressive style of football. 
Some of these are good things. All of these are things we got with Rodgers. Please don’t say you want Gary O’Neil in one sentence, and then bemoan someone who had a very similar profile and CV when he arrived a decade or so ago. 

I don’t resent Owen any more. I just think he’s a bit of a tool and don’t feel any warmth for him. Sure, it’s nearly 20 years since he left, but for all that the hurt has faded, he’s just looked like more and more of a wanker with every passing year. 

•Brilliant for seven seasons

•Rubbed a few fans up the wrong way with seeming to prioritise England over us, but that’s all subjective really

•Dragged out his contact negotiations, then left on the cheap

•After a year as Real Madrid’s third choice striker, expected us to pay double what we’d received to bring him back; he’d played hardball with us, but didn’t want to do the same with Real so he ended up at Newcastle instead

•Newcastle didn’t work out

•Made a prat of himself looking for a new club

•Ended up at Old Trafford, said some things that didn’t endear himself to anyone over here

•Career petered out at Stoke

•Now a very, very boring pundit. 

When I read Fowler’s autobiography there were a few things I wasn’t impressed by. Sometimes he says idiotic things in the papers too. But he hasn’t spent 20 years consistently saying and doing things that leave me thinking “What a twat”.

1 hour ago, TD_LFC said:

You're probably looking at around 50 million each (one might be slightly higher one slightly lower but I'd be surprised if they didn't get around 100 million for the pair in a normal market.

 

They've both got Premier league data behind them now which counts for a lot and with arsenal sniffing around Onana and Utd around Branthwaite you can make them pay.

 

If they end up in administration first then they'll both go for pennies on the pound.

You could conceivably get £100m for the pair, but to say they’ll do so easily seems like a leap of faith.

Everton have to sell, and everyone knows it. They also need as much cash up front as possible - which buying clubs will know even if their recruitment teams are as bad as, well, Everton’s. £35m, in one lump sum, may trump £50m over five years. 

There are four teams who you’d usually count on to inflate the market. Newcastle will not be spending big this summer, Chelsea likewise, who knows what will be going on at Old Trafford or who will be making the decisions, and I can’t see City going for either player. The Bloos’ options shrink from that point onwards.

£100m isn’t inconceivable, but if that’s the sort of sum they’re relying on - and it very well might be - then several more players have to go too. 

2 hours ago, Lee909 said:

 

They'd easy raise 100ml from Braithwaite and Onana

Easily?

Onana cost them £33m a couple of years ago, and I don’t see how he’s worth more now - especially as part of a fire sale. 
Branthwaite is a decent youngster, potentially very good, but again they’ll be hoping someone is convinced he’s already good enough to slot straight in. 
There’s no longer a queue of cash-rich sides happy to fill up squad places at £50m a pop, and fewer still who are dumb enough to pay that when Everton will be desperate to get as much cash as they can as quickly as possible.

Offer the full fee up front and the Bloos would take a third off the asking price just so that they can stay solvent for a few more months. 

9 hours ago, Anubis said:

Those wage percentages for Fulham, Leicester, Forest and Everton are insane.

I think Leicester should be the real warning story for Everton. It only took a couple of years of bad luck and bad decisions and they went from being The Best Of The Rest to a Championship club with real money problems, BUT they were still good enough that they were able to shift some big earners for big fees. 
Everton’s debt is (almost 50%) bigger, and whilst their wage bill isn’t quite so bonkers, they aren’t going to raise £100million in a relegation fire sale. 

5 hours ago, Anubis said:

You know what I’m wrong. This is the level of stupidity we’re up against.

 

 

Nottingham Forest know exactly what it means to spend big for success and then be fucked financially. 
Everyone bangs on about Brian Clough being the King of Bargain Buys, but he spent an absolute fortune in the late 70s and early 80s - they’d only been in the First Division a few weeks when he broke the record for a keeper to get Shilton, and when they made Trevor Francis the first £1million player player it more than doubled the UK transfer record. The result was that they won two European Cups… and then had to sell off their best players because it wasn’t sustainable. Clough never got to spend big again, and as a result they never won any more proper trophies, just a few League Cups and the Zenith Data Systems nonsense.

1 hour ago, Lee909 said:

 

 

He only got a year left aswell so that reduces his fee further

They’ve got seven players earning £100k per week or more, 10 on £80k per week and over. They’ll be able to cut their wage bill in the summer, but they won’t be left with cash in the bank. 
Dele is totally shot despite somehow still only being 26.  
Doucoure is 31 and his career peaked when he moved to the Bloos. Ditto Tarkowski and Michael Keane, except that even their own fans don’t seem to rate either of them.

Gomes is 30 this summer and there’s a reason why Portugal stopped playing him six years ago.  
DCL is horrendously injury-prone, not a great goalscorer, and only has 18 months left on his deal. Gueye is 34 and out of contract in the summer. 
Jack Harrison is being paid £90k per week despite only being there on loan and being a very nothing player. So they’re paying the thick end of £4.5million to help out Leeds and won’t even have an asset to sell in the summer. 
Which leaves them with who? Pickford and Onana; they’ll be lucky to make their money back on the two of them. 
The more you look at them, the more they resemble Sunderland before they began their plummet through the divisions. Years of fighting the inevitable, then an absolute collapse. 
Source -  https://www.spotrac.com/epl/everton-fc/payroll/

1 hour ago, John102 said:

He has worked under the 2 best managers of his generation and I imagine he will go onto have a great managerial career himself.

Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, retirement. 

34 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

 

Onana and Braithwaite yes teams will pay good money. But Pickford I'm not sure Ourselves,both mancs clubs, Arsenal, Spurs,Villa all have keepers. Newcastle won't touch him with the Sunderland links. Maybe West Ham buy they arnt paying huge money.  Dacoure will have clubs but he's 31 and it'll be peanuts. 

 

And who will pay good money for a 3/4 goal injury prone striker

Supposedly Calvert-Lewin is on £100k per week. I don’t see any teams fighting for promotion who are flush with cash, whereas Everton will be desperate to get rid of him. It’s easy to envisage him leaving on the cheap just so that they can get his wages off the books. 

21 minutes ago, an tha said:

As an example the generally reported player salaries for the shite were about 86m or so - but their actual overall wage bill is 159m.

 

I know this because i had a row with a bitter mate who was claiming that their wages to turnover figure was circa 50% based on the 86m figure.

 

I don't know exactly how it all breaks down for any club to be honest - and i must say i was surprised to see numbers as were but i suppose it depends when see these player salary figures that are generally circulated of those numbers like the 86m for the shite are just 1st team squad....so once you start adding on all the managers, coaches, medical, data, etc etc etc and at all the different levels and then all the other staff throughout clubs i suppose it adds up quickly - like the 73m that takes the shite up to a total of 159m out of a turnover of 172m and 92% in total.

 

 

I doubt that they’re paying £73m a year on salaries for their kids, coaches and other backroom staff. 
I can credit that figure if it includes signing-on fees, continuing to pay off their multiple former managers (etc), and other things which - at a pinch - aren’t part of the players’ weekly salary. 

5 hours ago, Harry Squatter said:

The Brick acting like the Rock talking about themselves in the third person.

The people’s club can’t tell the people’s arse from the people's elbow. 

3 hours ago, Scott_M said:

It’s interesting enough but doesn’t really say massive amounts new.

 

It basically chronicles how we’ve embraced analytics to get to where we are today. It’s starts with Henry / FSG & baseball, them buying the club, the start of the data usage with Camolli, Rodgers wouldn’t listen (make Rodgers sound like a prick to be honest), Klopp embraced it all and now, I’m on how we evaluate signings & how we we’re thoroughly convinced on VVD & Alisson. It’s an easy read, I’m abou 60% of the way through it. 
 

Ian Graham has a book coming out, which I think will be more enlightening…

 

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/462193/how-to-win-the-premier-league-by-graham-ian/9781529934632

Cheers, will look out for that instead. 

3 hours ago, Scott_M said:

I’m currently reading Data Game - The Story Of Liverpools Analytics Revolution.

 

Some interesting bits on Cammoli & Dalglish. A few little digs at Rodgers (“little know it all”), this bit made me laugh…

 

That section makes me want to read the whole book. Worth grabbing a copy do you reckon, @Scott_M?

City’s wobbly spells always seem to last three or four games. They’ve dropped points against us and Arsenal, and Villa are prime candidates to get a result too. That still leaves the onus on us to carry on winning, but this is our opportunity to seize. 

5 hours ago, Lee909 said:

BluePaul86

Player Valuation: £8m

Would anyone take Steve Cooper in the summer?

 

 

 

 

Wait till he finds out what academy he used to coach at

 

 

 

 

 

And fucking deluded, this one. Slot,Motta and michel,Yeah they are going to leave a Champions League campign for a year at Everton after a fire sale and Beto up front

 

ForeverEverton said:

The manager market is substantially better than when we hired Dyche, lots of good quality managers out of work...

Joachim Low
Hansi Flick
Antonio Conte
Julen Lopetegui
Jose Mourinho
Jorge Sampaoli

Others worth a mention...
Rudi Garcia
Steve Cooper
Graham Potter
Jesse Marsch
Andre Vilas-Boas
Lucien Favre
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Laurent Blanc
Jurgen Klinsmann
Urs Fischer

 

Teuchel leaves Bayern this summer...
Marcelo Gallardo, could we entice him from Saudi, signed a 1.5 year contract in Nov 23
Kieran McKenna, we could offer him a better chance of him staying in the PL than his newly promoted Ipswich team.
Arne Slot at Feyenoord, could we tempt him to the PL
Francesco Farioli is highly regarded, currently at Nice and already beat PSG at the Parc de Prince
Thiago Motta, currently has Bologna 4th in Serie A, a manager on his way up in the game.
Jagoba Arrasate of Osasuna, currently 9th
Miguel Ángel Sánchez Muñoz, known as Michel of Girona, doing wonders at Girona. Does he want to be in the PL at some stage? We could offer that introduction.
Andoni Iraola, showed us what a competent manager can do. We can give him a bigger club with a potentially a higher ceiling.

I know some of these are fanciful, but if you don`t ask you don`t get, right. If you always go for the crap nobody else wants then you are going to get the likes of the 3 we`ve just had and the type od seasons we have had. Nobody wanted them for a very good reason

“Some of these are fanciful”

On 30/03/2024 at 18:53, an tha said:

A good few of the ones i know have started to increasingly cling to the 70 years or whatever it is since weren't in the top flight.

 

Claiming this is something to boast about and is all that matters as nobody outside 'the cartel' is allowed to compete, so being the longest reigning top flight side makes them special.

 

Leicester shouts and other clubs who have won trophies in the last 29 years are shouted down with 'they have been relegated' or 'where are they now'....Shouts about how well Brighton for example are doing are met with 'they'll be back down soon'

 

You have to sort of admire their neck. But i want them flushed so badly so as to take away this last desperate straw they clutch at....

 

 

If they don’t like what “the cartel” does, they only need to remember this: They were literally part of “the cartel”, or “the Big Five” as the original clubs who wanted a Super League were known as. 
In 11 seasons leading up to the Premier League being founded, only four teams won the title - and Leeds weren’t part of the Big Five by any means (they’d spent most of that time in the old Second Division, and the breakaway was already agreed by the time they were crowned). 
The trouble is that after 1987 the Bloos got worse almost every single season, until by the time the Premier League began - despite spending big money, including breaking the transfer record to sign Tony fucking Cottee. 
Everton would love to be part of “the cartel”. The only reason they’re not is because they’ve been inept at winning football matches for most of the last 35 years. 

5 hours ago, Anubis said:

As the Irish Sky Bet advert says, harsh.

 

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Player Valuation: £40m

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Carlito said:

He's been finished for longer than he was good.

That is a very perceptive analysis. I'm Irish, but Seamus had been past his best a full season before his horrible leg break. He should have been sold on five years ago. But Kenwright and co loved a bit of sentiment, and a bit of fighting spirit and a few rallying cries are always useful to paper over a lack of trophies.

A good player in his day - but incredibly overrated. He wouldn't have made an Everton squad in the 1980s, yet he's held up as some kind of legend. Only for those who only know Plucky Everton of the Good Times. A triumph of application over any actual ability. Any Everton player that has managed to stay at this fading club as long as he has could never have been up to much, simply because we ALWAYS sold our best players. If we didn't, it was because, frankly, nobody wanted them enough to make Kewnright give up a fig leaf. And Coleman was a fig leaf for him. As was "Bainsey" and "Timmy".

Coleman was an honest pro - but that's all he ever was. His misfortune to play at a time of near unparalleled mediocrity for both club and country was also his fortune. He wouldn't have played at all in better days.

Players who leave: Disloyal 

Players who stay: Not very good

How you square that with winning every transfer window: Fucked if I know…

10 hours ago, Bob said:

Not up to speed with championship footie after 11 games, with 4 goals and zero assists playing in mostly a false 9 role... I'm drawing my conclusion. Shite.

A 21-year-old, who has arrived after an extremely stop-start 18 months which has been split between the Championship, the Prem, and the Bundesliga, and who is scoring better than a goal every three games? Shite is a bit harsh. It’s not a terrible start, even if he really does need to start pulling up trees at Hull if he’s going to force his way into our team.