King Kenny 86

Huge reaction to an incredibly disappointing performance but did anyone really believe these guys were capable of this after recent weeks, I was putting up the white flag after Sheff Utd. This is a new young team. Different style of play, injuries, officials, Klopp leaving pressure... we are all forgetting that this team always found a way to win.. until they couldn't, they had us believing in the fairytale ending ...until the pressure got to them. Let's not kid ourselves only a few of these lads "have been there before, The red arrows" yes they have and despite their efforts we still came up short, yes they were a better team but had been together longer, but both versions of Klopp team were chasing the 115ers. So yes they buckled but we have had a real ride and believed up until then. On the pod admiring Arsenal this season , 16 clean sheets, they shit the bed v Villa and likely will lose out again to the cheats Last season they buckled under that pressure they had no other distractions as I recall and couldn't hold on. They have learned, dug in, responded well to setbacks and possibly will still be short. Last season and parts of this AFC fans wanted Arteta out, "we can't score, we need a striker...". Seen their goal difference? Appreciate loads of other Different circumstances and issues, but this team had us dreaming of a quadruple AGAIN. We also don't play the same way, under the red arrows it was the draws that killed us despite how fckin brilliant they were. Thiago was brought in for more control, not a six really as his game was half way line control, us camped in the opposition half, ala Barce/Bayern. Now we have the inverted full back, all in a bid to NOT be City but be a hybrid Klopp and City. We need a sense check on these lads. Questions for the new coach are What in reality?. Mo stick or twist? Diaz good enough quality? Virgil can he continue his form overall? Darwin can you coach composure? So are we saying that these lads are shit and don't try? No they have hit a wall, look out of ideas listless every one of them. So whilst it is them " Daddy" leaving is affecting all of them. If we think back to last season we're were dogshit for 1st half of that season. My theory is that Klopp was off at the end, the players sulked he changes his mind and the second half was better.... This feels like a repeat they had no idea until it came out, we rode the emotion until we couldn't. Klopp did not deserve that but the players look like him, tired, accepting of fate. Take a breath. We have Ali, Trent,Robbo, Konate, Quansah, Bajetic, VVD, Macca, Szbos, Bradley, Kweev, JoeyG, Endo, Danns McConnell Clarke, Doak, Jota. Some still WIPS Darwin, GravenB, Diaz.Cody Maybe Mo... Despite recent weeks Klopp believes in his squad, so why don't we? Klopp 1.0 made us dream, believers, fell short, then delivered, then fell short.... You can't teach adversity you can only experience it. Up to them now along with Arne to use this recent run to make you stronger. If they can't then they go, but they deserve our trust, faith and understanding now. They need us to say its OK, let's go again but next time get it done. They need the belief that we believe in them Farewell to our greatest manager in a generation. We will always love you. Welcome Arne, the floor is yours.

As my last post on here reflecting on the season etc I am pissed off re individual game performances and this was a stinker. This was on paper our proper first team all the big dicks were back and we were completely outfought where it mattered. They chased and harried and pushed and shoved and I thought they can't keep this intensity up, but guess what we sat on the ball side to side, that gives them rest and time to refocus, when we did step up the tempo it was the desperate blocks and shut outs that we have seen at Palace and Man U. Fulham bully no one and that is my one fear (excluding Jota making Keita look like a marathon man) is that they are easily bullied. Then there is Mo. Really looks like his race has run. If we sold him many will go great take the cash, hard to disagree as since coming back injured been utter shit. I was shouting for Gakpo then realised he wasn't on the bench either. I was wanting us to give JK moments to remember on the run in as I had passed on us winning the league. I meant good moments and in sll the years he has been here that is one of the worst. We seem keen to shit on his legacy and lose or draw against all our shit and bitter rivals... Just end the season now. Regroup get fit and let's see what Arne can do with them because this squad is huge on talent, just need to get huge balls as well. In the last 4 games please give him some proper performances that's all I ask. Dave spot on report.

Oliver going to the Euros Will be interesting to see what he does give if any of your noted incidents occur out there. If he gives the same verdicts what UEFA do to him. Also taking Coote and Attwell on VAR and Taylor is the other ref going. Best of the best eh !!!

You are still young Ushersun

At my age watching my reds since 1971 i can get very reflective quicker after losing my shit, or worshiping at the Anfield Altar. For me the Title race is run, we will finish 2nd or 3rd. I will enjoy our run in and hope that whatever happens we give JNK something to enjoy, more moments he can look back on. Some will only want to reflect on the season once its over, for me personally that's too late,, Why? because he will be gone by then. Don't get me wrong i want us to win out and see what happens, I want to win the PL for him as much as the next fan, i am just relaxed about it whether it happens or not I look on it like this. Imagine just for a second Klopp was staying to see out his contract. Expectation and the desperation drops, we don't chase the Fairytale or the Hollywood ending, and after last seasons debacle he and the lads had to endure then deliver this: Much changed Squad, New Midfield additions Bajetic, Matip Thiago out all season. Literally EVERY player be missing through Injury for significant periods Encounter countless officiating errors that are beyond belief in key games Consistently give goals away either first or equalisers Only keep 9 clean sheets in 33 games..... Lose one of you strikers because some cunt kidnapped his father! BUT Win a trophy. You will flutter around at the top of the table, possibly winning the League, at least going close. After 33 games you will have only lost 2 Morally Discover that Kelleher is a really top class back up keepe See who this Quansah lad is that none of you had heard of, and how fckin good he is Emergence of Bradley which will see twitter virgins want Trent sold! See Dom look every inch the new Gerrard for a portion of the season when he carried us very early on. huge potential Endo after a shaky start work it out and became a cult hero and looks a fckin steal Macca at 6 now at 8 now doing what we expected him to do even though he looks knackered after a warm up! Joe Gomez being Injury free and fucking sensational every game wherever he played Robbo and Virgil getting their Mojo back The development of Danns, McConnell, and Clarke....... Just because we shit the bed twice v Man Utd (no lack of effort, just Composure and game management) and Palace at Home ("one of those that even City get") we are moping and groaning why? because Klopp is going. That is the only reason. The pressure and emotion we are putting on ourselves, its actually impacting negatively on the atmosphere sometimes when we want to celebrate a generational manager Klopp will be disappointed at the end of the season if we don't win the title, not for himself, but for us, the players, everyone he holds dear, which is why we are so desperate to win for him. I am trying to look at it from HIS perspective. If this very young squad can develop as they should, we are going to be in for a fantastic next few years, they are Klopp players he will get all the reflective glory and deservedly so. I for one am proud of the lads (still 5 to go) despite what happens, as i look around at the other Squads in the PL there is none as powerful and talented as ours, (when they are all fit). We are challenging them on their "Mentality" but they love Klopp as much as we do, we are ALL trying too hard, human nature. Take his departure out of this and what a fuckin squad we have, and what a season we have had given last season and the adversity this season. Look how thin City Squad is now, Chelsea's full of kids and big time knobheads, Arsenal, relatively lucky with Injuries but thin as fuck... We have world class players, we have young players who will be world class players. The sooner we get off the Fairytale train and get on board relishing and celebrating the young talent that is Klopp's legacy the sooner we can enjoy the last few weeks of him. We all want it for Him, but lets look at what we have achieved this season despite all the setbacks, Injuries, Officials, Finishing, Conceding... but lets celebrate what we have done, and relish what they could do in the next 5 years..... and go out celebrating the Man we will miss

9 PL clean sheets in 32 games, likes of Brentford, Burnley Luton, Forest... Villa only good one. Be nice to score first ease a bit of the pressure but then we were 3.2 up at OT and 1.0 up.... Fuck who knows. Agree play with shackles off, Fulham is key though Win while 115s play in FA cup and they are chasing again. Atalanta is vital to get minutes in for Jota, Trent Allisson Jones. So I expect them to play but only to set us up for Fulham. There is saying where I now live. Live in Hope, die in Castleton. Feel like I have just moved to Castleton.

Good to see clubs coming out to challenge the lenient deduction from the PL for Everton. Need a few more to get restless at this and start pressurising the PL to get its shit together and sort it out mostly the 115ers. More dissenting clubs please

Sums me up. Born 5 miles from OT but a full on red all my life you can understand my frustration I fuckin hate that club I actually had to hold back tears of frustration (I am 62 and should know better) we rushed when we needed composure we slowed it when we needed pace.... This is their Cup final, bodies on line shit, when that young lad was high fiving blocks getting onto the crowd... that's how far they have fallen. They are the Manc version of Everton now with less funny shit than them. The level of desperate defending they had to do, where was that against Chelsea the other night? All season bar us? Shithouses However we know all this. In a sense we bottled it, we bottled that mountain of opportunities. Feels like this season will be part of the broken record collection. Final day relying on others to get results to help us. Not given up but my only hope is that Spurs chasing top 4, desperate to not see Arsenal win the league.... that for me is the ONE hope. Likely 115ers will be perfect now. So win 7 on bounce and come on you spurs

I am old enough to remember coming home from school to find Shanks resigned and Bob Who was taking over. First thing Sir Bob did, basically fuck all. Just slowly but surely changed a player here, player there.... won nothing in first season 1975, rest as they say. When Moyes rocked up as the chosen one sacked everyone did his thing and we all know what happened there. And they are still at it.... Hopefully whoever comes in will take the Paisley route and not the Moyes route. But managers are mostly Vain twats but you are inheriting probably the best squad in Europe ripe and ready to blow everyone away. Nurture it, savour it, deliver it whoever you are but do not change it...

Yep stone cold gotcha. Bastard

God I love your reports, nod along on the pods as I agree with 99% of what you say, I take comfort on knowing its not just me..... But Gerrard. One step away from Henderson as player manager... Rangers achievements are no where near what Alonso is doing in Germany. Rangers are always number 2 and if you do their shit tour they are the most successful club in the world apparently. Old Neverkusen, winning that league is like the Leicester title win. I can see Gerrard as an assistant but not manager. He is up there with Rooney and Fat Frank in their arrogance of great players make great managers. Feels like desperation and straw clutching as we all fear the worst, after Klopp there is no one, but there has to be someone. I am bit pissed off with FSG for not appearing to have a plan for this when klopp has been here longer than he initially wanted to be, extended and they knew he would be thinking of going sooner. That was the time to pass to Lijnders get it sorted so it was seamless. Honestly Stevie would be a disaster for me.

Howe and his suntanned tosser of a mate give off Hodgson vibes in terms of ability Huge "England Coach" vibes which is where he will end up and not with us thank god. Feels like a real shortage of decent candidates so only Xabi no one else.

De Zerbi will take his place at the toon, make them look good then they end up 7th or 8th... None of them can cope with the pace and relentless drive of us and the 115. Great review as always spot on on Man Ure they are becoming more like Arsenal than Arsenal...

Walker is so paranoid that any mention of any kids in any context has him going mad just because they might be his? Walking Sperm bank...

What I am liking about the Klopp/Alonso situation. The circus surrounding the situation (all the media now deciding they have the inside track) hasn't affected performances at either club. We know Klopp, but speaks volumes for Alonso. Calm, motivation, style, and fucking substance. Simply we won't accept anyone else (least not straight away anyway). He will be good at Madrid but will one of many short term successful managers. With us he will be on the honours banner and forever revered . He knows we treat our managers like God's and if there is any team out there better set for him right now I would love to see them.

Defo thought he would roll it to Jota for a tap in.

The Celebration at Arsenal is an interesting one for me, Same would be at the Emptihad or Bald Trafford... Worth Reflecting.... We revere our Managers, more than the Players really. We value our History, Elisha Scott, Billy Liddell but this is why managers celebrating in from of the Kop with salutes, adoration or fist pumps. History. If you look broadly at our success, winning and runners up, whilst the latter can be heartbreaking, there is always the thrill of the chase in the League and the Cups. If we ignore the one offs and charity games and focus on the "We can win 3 domestic and 1 Europe 4 This season" Looking at Wins and Runner Ups over the years... Shanks - 10 in 12 seasons (once we were in Divn 1 1962/1963 ) Bob - 17 in 9 Seasons Joe - 5 in 2 seasons Kenny - 9 in 5 full seasons (No European footy) 15 to go for won or close on 9... 41 trophies and RU in 28 seasons, 4 different managers. Then the "Dark Days", Hope Springing eternal, these times for many clubs would be their Golden Era 25 years, 7 managers 9 Wins 8 Runners Up, - 17 Wins close shaves in 25 years, most clubs would love that. Along comes Jurgen 10 in 8 seasons, robbed of many by you know who. Rebuilt our belief...our Bastion of Invincibility. Success for us is winning silverware, but on some of those oh so near ones, still had a great time, great moments (Kiev CL final was one such trip) No other club has had 5 managers that have brought such happiness to us 51 wins or close shaves, finals etc in 36 seasons. add in our fallow years that's 68 titles, cup finals, runners up chases... in 61 years (my lifetime) NO other club can boast that few managers and that level of success, that is why we cherish all our managers and why the fans and the manager are bonded together. US v the rest. Others imitate which is the sincerest form of Flattery.

Says something about Arsenal when we literally stank the place out but got a flukey equaliser that they virtually gave up. The way they celebrated is fine but look at what happened, they huffed and puffed in the second half, WE gifted them a goal and they score a late one when we are down to 10 men and just 2 defenders. We were a sorry shambles but they still struggled to put us away. Yes they won, but as Dave says different set up, different mindset, plenty of legs... we would have beaten them. We know we can be miles better, can Arsenal say that? DeFo Man City spanking them at the Emptihad. We were shit but they were miles from great. Agree on the Trent My Farts don't stink performance, look like he was not arsed and weird to say but its night v day him and Bradley defending. Stick him as the right side 8 and move on. The one thing weirdly that bothered me before the game, and assuming a positive result was City and their game in hand, and us in the League Cup Final when they play PL game, i assumed that would turn us into "chasers with a game in hand" which i feared, even more so now. Wish PL would get stuck into them right now. Cunts

Tell you what I think is going under the radar a bit as one of the great uses of Klopp influence. 5 subs. Everyone moaned no no no.... he kept at it, not because of player welfare in particular, as its in now and we have record PL injuries, but because he knew for ages how to manage the squad. Resting should mean sitting on the bench then getting a 20 minute leg stretch to keep a player ticking over. How many times did we rest players for a week, play all the kids then the so called rested players were shit come the weekend Klopp teams are rhythm teams, they like momentum. He knew that and the best way to get the most out his players. 5 subs. Just a thought

We had a truly charismatic manager who dragged us out of mediocrity to build a team bond with the fans like no other. Made the fans feel their team was invincible with them behind those men in red, never won the amount of titles Liverpool deserved, saw his team on the wain So started another a young dynamic team with a couple of experienced heads. Called it a day (regretted it later) handed over to a quieter more thoughtful manager who was not as charismatic as Shanks but knew football. We all know how that turned out. Fast forward 50 years... We as fans want Utopia we want Klopp with 4 trophies under his arm getting the send off Shanks never got and I want to see Alonso taking us onto even more glory. Klopp is not a "lucky manager " he has never fluked any title in his life, those of you who know how he lost out On Mainz promotion two years running one by a point one on goal difference only to go on a third time and get over the line. Sounds familiar, he has never had a warchest of cash he is a maker of stars he gets the job done by sheer graft, desire, passion and football nous. We only Have to look at how we feel now and look at how Mainz and Dortmund fans felt when he left. There is not a man out there in football who can match that impact on fans and people. He is Shanks 2.0 and to younger ones Klopp 1.0. He has done what Shanks did all those years ago and more, he built a winning machine and has left Xabi (?) a legacy team that screams "off you go". We have 30 odd games of him left let's send our love desire passion to him and the boys in red and roar them home. Get the sculpting quotes in whilst your at it.

Said similar on twitter dock them 20 that stays and carries forward to next season. That won't relegate them but fucks them up. Should be instant you start refusing to cooperate then they can bring the irrefutable lies, sorry evidence and we can get going. PL weak.

It's a small point but when the physio came to treat the cheat, he stayed on and took part over the free kick. Later when he went down coote made him go to the sidelines as normal 1st. If he had taken the free kick and it resulted in a goal? ( it didn't but...) Then when that cunt went mad at coote for making him go to the sidelines should have booked him for dissent. 4th official should be there to remind the ref.. NOVAR. though great

Most seasons we are chasing City saying looks like we will have to win at the Emptihad Couple more games where they don't close that gap? They will be thinking we are going to have to win at Anfield... not often we have any advantage over them.

Also agree on this super league, this one is better thought out, stupid idea, but I reckon will get legs. The reason is all the lragues that don't have a £6.7bn tv deal or thet are brilliant run clubs in Germany will look at it before they decline . The rest of the leagues in Europe are broke. Them corrupt twats at UEFA will be shitting it behind the scenes as none of the bigger clubs want the extra waste of space games in the CL. If they get Italy Spain Holland France etc there is enough quality to get it going. There will be a tipping point. If that dies off then in walk the Saudis and footy is dead. One of the only hopes *shakes head* is FIFA banning players from their countries? Who knows....

That shit bag Barton clearly auditioning to be a Tory candidate in the next election followed by I was a celebrity keep me in here next year. Arsehole