The Flâneur

I cant be bothered with it anymore. If people want to think in absolutes over a very complicated issue then that's up to them. Its not worth my time to repeatedly repudiate suggestions I'm offering the Ultimate Truth, I shall leave that to angry mansplainers.

You seem to be labouring under a few delusions here. This isn't something I have pulled out my arse to bash transgender people, its women, educated women with a long history of feminist action and thought, having very real concerns about the attack on their beliefs, from men. At no point have I assumed to speak for all transgender people, yet you seem more than.comfortable to do so. You envisage a situation of hardship and struggle and presume that it covers all the bases and all people involved, it doesn't. Yet again, there is another man telling feminists and women what they should believe, what they should accept and what the rules are. You might think its accepted wisdom for trans people to be accepted as women in every aspect, but that just isn't the case. Its biologically not true for a start, a rather important distinction when it comes to sexual health/reproduction etc which apparently trans people insist on being included in. Its also not true when they die, they'll be men again. You think that it doesn't denigrate the female sex to shoehorn a man who has been living as a woman for a whole year into their psychic, physical, emotional and political arenas, but there are many who do. You're insisting that you, and these recently ex men know better and they aren't allowed an opinion. The very word transgender implies something other than male or female doesn't it? Your insistence that it exclusively mean one or the other is absolutely not your right. Fuck you for your inability to read and fuck you for your lazy assumptions.

Has someone denied that there isn't a difference, or said that opinion is woman-hating? Because I haven't.

Except that didn't happen, did it. Although, can a male with a certain opinion not be a misogynist? I suppose it depends on the audience and how much of a mate they are. Self-important echo chamber indeed.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you think is bollocks? I dont think at any point I've denied men an opinion or support of feminism, and I'm not sure those links are indicative of that either. I'm all for rights for everyone, regardless of sex or how they identify. The issue, as I see it, is whether females also have the right to their own assembly etc. There seems to be a litany of abuse when this is attempted.

Here's another blog on the subject that is in no way getting old; a letter that was purportedly signed by prominent feminists. I'm afraid that may mean some of them are 'wimmin'. https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/forbidden-discourse-the-silencing-of-feminist-criticism-of-gender/

There are a lot of reasons why not, I can't be bothered to go over them again. Calling Kelly Malone a woman is just your opinion, it's not an immutable fact. Reducing female sex to only being what clothes you wear, your name etc is misogynist. Ignoring women's fears, distress, anger and alarm at the entire subject, which isn't minute, is misogynist. Men telling women how they should feel about it, and what they should accept, is misogynist. Telling a woman that a man can have the same insight or experiences as a woman is misogynist. Telling women what they are losing or not losing out of the whole deal, guess what, misogynist. I didn't offer that blog as 'evidence of pantomime dames invading "wimmin space"', I offered it as an interesting example of the two sides' issues. That you would react in such a way says more about how you view women and feminism than anything else.

I'm afraid I'm currently not in a position to provide empirical evidence of trans sartorial habits at present. The entire issue is nuanced beyond my biological knowledge, especially when it comes to intersex people. My posts haven't been about describing the entirety of trans people, I'm not sure how that would be possible. However, there is clearly a phallo-centric view, also evident on here, that all a person need do to have access to female spaces, female forums, female issues is to 'identify' as female. I can understand some.feminists view that this is an attack, or at least patronising and derogatory. Should Kelly Malone be sitting on female committees for instance? In one of the links I posted, there's a sign from Bristol Uni re.trans people in toilets. Its a.good microcosm of some of the arguments. I think I know where I stand on some of it, but but as I say, its pretty complicated.

They dislike trans men taking female space. I would rather have though born female voices have priority over trans men it comes to biological issues, wouldn't you? But yes, there are some RF's who dont want trans people near feminism because they regard them as biological men, and men are rapists and murderers etc they also apparently have a wealth of trans to female violence evidence, but it seems rather anecdotal.

Also, you cant change sex. Gender, perhaps, but not sex.

I cant help but notice you've not pointed out any ignorance I may have had re the specific issue.

Again, I've been speaking about a specific issue, nameably the RF and trans clashing over feminist space. Positions and authority on sexual health issues etc have been taken from women, by trans people, who is doesn't affect because they don't have the equiptment, for instance. Again, from the reading that I have done, an awful lot of the trans voices in this regard, are from Grant Mitchell in tights types: Men who want to fuck women as women and be in female spaces as a sexual kick. At no point have I talked about transgender people as a whole. I am well aware that it has layers to it, but perhaps people would like to see that some of these layers are militant perverts who resent feminists their apparently decreasing exclusivity.

Really? And what are they? These specific people involved in berating lesbians and feminists? Be careful not to generalise now, or say something that calls into question an entire sex in a hideous, mysoginist manner. You'll have some keyboard warrior on your case otherwise.

You seem to be thinking that I was talking about the entirety of trans people, I wasn't. I couldn't have been clearer on the subject at hand. If you'd like to point out where my ignorance is on that issue, that'd be grand.

You should see how quickly it escalates when these men accuse lesbians of being genital obsessed because they wont consider a penis female. Scenes.