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Meh. Y'know, I actually prefer you when you baw-baw on about your personal life to a bunch of complete strangers over the internet, y'know, much in the manner a complete and utter hom would- that's not saying much, mind.

Thanks. Bye.

Err, yeah I did, because they're actually this funny, little insignificant group called the "HFSG". Ever heard of them?

Ted, can I ask you something?

Put your cock away Ted.

But we don't know that. And even if it were true, it's not "interesting", it's just human nature: no collection of 96 families are ever going to all agree with each other about anything. I'm not aware of any of them who believe Taylor to be a "parasite" and a "leech" though. I could be wrong.

I'm pleased. Now stop posting shite and fuck off.

But that's a completely different point. And the fact that he's working with them now says absolutely nothing, to support your allegations about him.

Well, you seem a little pissed off about that, so I look forward to all the great work you're going to do for this cause, without any reward, in the future. You have my full admiration.

Thing is though, I don't think the families are collectively as gullible as you seem to. Also, given their involvement with him, I suspect they're also likely to be a little better informed about the character of Rogan Taylor than you are- and a substantial section of them say he's ok.

I'll take that as a "yes".

We all work through enlightened self-interest to some extent Ted, yet I still have this strange hunch that Mr.Taylor, saint or sinner, has done more on behalf of getting justice for the Hillsbrough 96 over 20 years that you ever have, or are ever likely to do. Am I right?

But you thought it was about Taylor "owning" the club. Arf! That's great. Anyway, about Rogan taylor: (I have no axe to grind one way or another- I've never met him) I've kindly posted a link. Don't thank me.

Interesting. Grateful Hillsbrough families seem not to agree with you. Liverpool Echo - News - Liverpool Local News - Liverpool lecturer Rogan Taylor's Hillsborough fee 'mistake' Anybody can say something which is taken out of context, though I guess this is the internet so maybe it's more fun for some to read half the story and villify.

Hehe. Stunning. In amidst 5 years and 18k posts spent on a fan's site, have you really never, ever been minded to read anything about this ShareLFC scheme Ted? Bestest Fans In The World, aye. You couldn't really make it up.

Which, like parliamentary democracy leads to the elected making potentially damaging short-term decisions to maintain power/favour etc. Our great strength was stability. We'd do well to enshine that in any new organisation.

Double post.

A supporter-owned club is the ideal to many of us, however: How do you decide the command structure? The board? The mangers? By democracy? Is any vote involving 1,000,000 world-wide (as that is what it would have to be) voters who may, or may not subscribe to "the Liverpool way" many of us believe the club should be about, really feasible or desirable?? How much do we pay the board? The manager, staff, players?? Do we vote on that too? There has to be a danger of any pluralistic organisation being stymied by a lack of dynamism, by too much voting by committee. There'd have to be some level of decision-making autocracy within the co-operative set-up- I guess it's a question of 'how' and 'how much'.

Aye, the sum's correct. I seem to remember, however, that the initial target-sum proposed by Share LFC was more in the £150m region? Imagine ShareLFC having a 10ish% share which £50m might provide: I wonder how effective that would be in having a realistic influence on the running of the club? A million people(or groups) paying £500 each to be in a position to buy outright, seems pretty off the scale in terms of anything achievable.

Yeah well, not entirely sure that's going to play too well.

The "£50m" figure is a typo on behalf of the Guardian. I left it in, with a correction The actual figure is £500m.

Matt Scott, The Guardian, Tuesday 28 September 2010 Credit where it's due as Liverpool fans save for a stake in Anfield Liverpool supporters' group takes first step towards setting up a financial foundation for fans to invest in the club "The ranks of the Kop could soon contain Liverpool investors if a savings scheme for supporters proves successful. The Liverpool fans' group Spirit of Shankly-ShareLiverpoolFC has taken its first step towards setting up a financial foundation for supporter-led investment in the club. The society has teamed up with the Merseyside-based Partners Credit Union to provide a safe house for supporters to save towards the goal of taking up a stake in Liverpool. The Liverpool Supporters' Credit Union scheme was launched on Saturday with the aim of making investing in Liverpool more affordable. Fans will now be able to save towards having a stake in their club, something that the current sums involved put out of the reach of all but investment institutions and the super‑rich. "If you have 100,000 people all contributing £500, you can have £50m(error)," said Partners Credit Union's chief executive, Tracy Fletcher. "Some credit unions have 15,000 to 20,000 members, this could be much bigger." One obstacle to the success of the union is that regulations restrict membership to people living and working on Merseyside. However, the credit union movement hopes that legislation which may come into effect next year will permit wider membership – a development that would open the door to the Spirit of Shankly group's tens of thousands of members worldwide."

If this "Internet Phenomenomom....Phenomina...Phenomenon" had that much nouse she'd do a Jim Slip/ Ben Dover, see the 'nudge,nudge' potential of her name and "humorously" rename herself, oh I don't know, "Demanda Wank" or summit. I'll expect a cut, of course.

Clueless fucks. Where there many doing that? Just subjected myself to some whopper home-counties "Liverpool fan" by stupidly leaving R5 on for 606. Presenter:"So did you stay for the protest?" Whopper Red: "Nah, had enough watchin the team." Difficult when you've got people making 400-odd mile round-trips to a club they can be arsed whinging about on a radio phone-in but, seemingly, can't be arsed going out of their way to try and save.

Really? There are loads of Reds saying he shouldn't been been sacked, including, shock, horror, a fair few on this little anti-Rafa haven. It's been the most divisive issue I can remember (well, aside from the emergence of booing Skyfans in the ground). Anyway, that's by-the-by. Who exactly where you realistically expecting broke and dysfunctional LFC to attract and get as a replacement???