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Having moved from Leicester to Everton and then Barca to Spurs, his opinion should be taken seriously.

...but the club is holding out for 12.25?

On a forum? Of all places? If you'd pointed out all the things you disagreed with, and we could have had a conversation. Howie disagreed with me, but he didn't' see the need to act a complete cunt. Be more like Howie.

Congrats. You could have replied to any them, but you chose my obviously flippant reply. Weird, but ok.

I've actually given some pretty in-depth opinions in the last few pages, but sometimes you see a post that doesn't deserve the seriousness.

The folly of expecting them to spend as much as Brighton and Villa has really caught up to them at last. The fans only have themselves to blame for their entitled shit.

Well united went all in on him; he chose Dortmund, but they still went all in, and it also stands them in good stead when he becomes properly available again. i didn't say we "chose" minamino over Haaland, I said we took a punt on minamino, but were never in for Haaland. I never made it an either, or.

Just to clarify a couple of points: The club valuation is based on the Forbes valuation. What would be worth more, a club with the 60k capacity, or a 40k capacity in need of a new stadium or renovation? I'm pretty sure it's all been paid by us, which I'm not against - I'm just saying that money from the clubs fans has had a direct route into the pockets of FSG. I said FFP is being phased out, not that it's lame. But if you buy a club under one set of rules, and hide (not the best choice of words) behind that as a reason they won't be helping, then where does that leave us against the rest, when we're the only club being governed by non-existent regulations? I was talking about potential generational players, not actual generational players because they will always be out of our reach. Gambling £75m on Sancho or Havertz isn't going to cost that much if they fail, because they're young and still have potential to hit world class at another club whereas the upside is potentially massive, either in a sell on fee once they become generational, or for the benefit of the first team of paying 75m for a 7/8/9 year career with us. That was my point. Other than finding players for as cheap as possible, which again, on it's face isn't necessarily a bad idea, I just don't know what our transfer aims are. We had a £7m punt on Taki, but no interest in Haaland for £17m.

Well we had our very own Dougie going and getting gillett on the record with an interview, and didn't SoS spring up from a forum? This crop of gold we both refer to didn't all get here at once and we hit 97 points, I think some had 3 years, and even some of those were gambles, but when our ambition was top 4 then those were the signings we could make, that's why we could make the top 4 with Karius, but we never could have won the league with him. Even though it's 3 places, the levels are completely different, so where are the next great players coming from? I think our problem is that the club is happy to just let every last drop of sweat be taken before we look to replace, and start from 4-6th again. I'm a huge fan of the NBA, and current FSG remind me of basketball ownership where everything is about maximising a window, not planning on a recyclable dynasty. It's not really about the print media, it's the fact that no one is asking any questions about them or our ambitions, and the local media is an active and vociferous cheerleader for them over and above the needs of the football team. They announced the other day that FSG had got themselves a new investment partner for hundreds of millions, but absolutely nothing about the club scraping around the back sofa to find loose change in order to replace the only player we had who was pretty much guaranteed to be fit for every match. FFP is being phased out, the club cost them about £300m and is currently worth $4 billion, so yes, I think they should be dipping into some of their own future profits, when the club have helped that number by paying for capacity increases that will benefit them more than us when it comes time to sell up. How much? I don't know tbh. Ideally, keep doing what they're doing, but if a potential generational player comes along, like Havertz last Summer, or Sancho this, then we should have the ability to be in the mix, because at the moment, they do the same things on Thursday as we did on Tuesday, regardless of what happens on Wednesday, and it's not only short sighted, bt damaging long term. Especially when either of those players would have sell on value if they didn't work out, but massive potential profits if they did well. I specifically used Havertz because he didn't have the best of seasons, but with the way it ended with a CL winning goal, his performances for Germany being pretty good, he's set himself up to kick on again. 2 years ago, Sancho preferred us, and all I've seen for the last 2 years is united constantly working him, and we've disappeared out of view. Those are 2 examples, and of course there are accompanying caveats such as Klopp desperately didn't want them etc, but in terms of what i think FSG could be doing to help us it would be in the potential generational players. Because if the best players in the world are back at 150-200m levels, and the best young players are in the £60-80m range, then we're effectively shopping in the Baros - Cisse levels if we can, maybe at a push hit £40m in 85 trillion installments.

1) One mans pointless or needless, is another mans getting shit off their chests, and we're all responsible for what we do, not what others do. 2) Maybe mockery isn't really the way to get people on board if there is a genuine desire to get people to see things from a different perspective? From a personal PoV, there are definitely patterns in our transfer windows that we see repeated, and this one is definitely following the pattern. However, i do think we'll sign a Gini replacement, and I think we're looking at a back up for Bobby, when we should be looking at a replacement, but with a budget of £15p and some belly button fluff, it's not even possible. We don't get midfielders forward, so having a forward going backwards is a killer at times. We don't get round the back, and our forwards can be isolated. We need a ball carrier to break lines and commit defenders, because we're increasingly happy to just play in front of a teams defence and hope our 1 or 2 guaranteed good chances per game are put away. Even back up players are out of our price range. We struck gold with the crop we have at the moment, but relying on panhandling every window isn't a way to maintain a position at the top. Even united, by virtue of signing good players are getting better and better, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised by the end of the window, to see them cement 2nd place over us. When the local paper is all about FSG over the football club, then that also is an initiator of this kind of grievance, because absolutely no one is holding their feet to the fire. They throw out an apology every time they fuck up, and call it quits, and we all go back to "well, we can't compete." So if FSG won't help us when they can easily afford to, should it be up to the same fans that hold up the man that said "directors are there to sign the cheques" as a god, to just go "well that's that then, lads". Maybe you think there's no point, and that FSG are good owners, but lets see how people feel once this team has been fully run into the ground without replacements, and acting smugly as though we know we're great no longer seems accurate. The campaigns against G&H started in places like this.

1) Again, not particularly adult fashion to say "they started it, miss" 2) I agree, but you're telling people that they shouldn't think the way they do. I have the most sympathy for the paragraph but here's the thing; a lot of people use forums just to let off steam and let out frustrations, because the alternative is walking through town in our slippers issuing a sandwich board fatwa against FSG. I hate to break it to you, but people aren't going to change just because you challenge them, just like you won't change on the back of this post, nor i because of any reply you may write. It's no coincidence that our money is going into things like bricks and mortar that will give them the biggest returns, and even supporters of FSG must notice the patterns of every January window, when we're told we're saving up for a big one in the summer, then we're told in summers that we're skint, as they announce 5 new sponsorships. Obviously some of that is purposefully hyperbolic, but these frustrations exist. It's been a long way back to the top and to watch us potentially squander this golden opportunity is heartbreaking No other team in Europe that can claim on it's day, to be the best in Europe, is working with the same constraints as us, and we're only where we are because of Jurgen. It shows this is built on a house of sand as we run our own players into the ground and ages where their sell on values won't fund a new team and then what happens? We're not signing the best young players in Europe to keep this approach going, we're taking gambles and punts, so no doubt some will mature into good or potential great players for the club, but most won't. Then we leak our transfer domination all over the press - Thiago only cost an initial down payment of 5 million. Jota was £4m (but we're still skint) This year, new contracts and stadium capacity will be used to shut the fans up. David Moores' ownership getting a loan for the stadium back in 05-06 would have us in exactly the same place we are now. FSG were never saviours, but I never expected our fans to be so on board with them focussing on their profits over our team.

1) Couldn't you include yourself in that? 2) Be the change you want to see. Pretty sure it's not particularly adult fashion to use your full post quota to just tell people what you think they should post. 3) As above.

Don't think so. I remember Ronaldo having a billion dollar release clause when he went to Madrid. Unless they've changed the process over the last few years, it's always been an agreement between club and player.

The fact they don't even feel any need or pressure to make things right after the Disney league fiasco shows how apathetic we are.

Another potential target looking likely to be off limits, unless he's signed a lower release clause, which i doubt.

I remember when the very first takeover stuff kicked off, and all fans wanted was £20m per season on top of sales to be able to compete. It took us 16 years but we're almost there now thanks to FSG.

He was pretty good in American gangster and John Wick, but I didn't like him in Terminator salvation.

Although he says this summer, so we're obviously waiting for Madrid to sell off some land for a couple of billion to give them a sporting chance next summer. Good old John.

Could save FSG millions.

Never mind Mbappe, we need to get blanketyblanked signed up on here. She'd fit right in.

And I guess that's why they call it Cheyrou

If we're leaking we're tough negotiator stories, probably not best to constantly leak we're fucking skint stories at the same time.