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  1. To be fair' date=' a lot of Romani were killed in the gas chambers, the forgotten victims if you will. Current estimates are that roughly 600,000 Roma were exterminated by the Nazi's, roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of their numbers in all of Europe and as much as 70% of those in areas where Nazi control had been established the longest.

     

    TBH I find Romani people fascinating; their nomadic existence, their culture, their mythology, superstitions and taboos and above all, their refusal to be incorporated in modern society and with what they consider to be it's suspicious and corrupted principles.

     

    And herein lies the biggest problem of all. They want their culture to be recognised and to be integrated into non-gypsy society without fear of discrimination. But they are naturally suspicious and so they should be. It is estimated at the time of abolition just over a century ago that well over half the entire gypsy population of Europe was enslaved, and thus, subjected to this economy for the previous five hundred years. This continued in Eastern Europe meanwhile in Western Europe the Roma were transported to Africa, the Americas and India for no other reason than they were “gyspies“. While their ex-owners were compensated to the sum of 96 francs per slave at the time of abolition, nothing was forthcoming from the Romanian government for the freed slaves themselves, no orientation programs set up to integrate the newly-liberated into society, no assistance with housing or health care. The Roma were left to fend for themselves in a hostile environment, totally unequipped to deal with the anti-Roma laws in effect everywhere throughout Europe and the world, with an increasing numbers now in Italy and of late, France.

     

    Then there was the Holocaust. The Roma were chosen for total annihilation just because of their race. Over half a million Roma, almost the entire Eastern European Roma population, was wiped out during the Holocaust. And in the same way, nothing was done to help Roma after the war. None were called to testify at the Nuremberg Trials or any of the subsequent war crime hearings, and no reparation has ever been forthcoming. No Roma were invited to participate in the formation of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council, established by President Carter in 1979 to honour the memory of all who perished in the Third Reich and, despite three years lobbying in Washington on the part of a number of American Romani organizations to protest against this, the Office of Presidential Appointments voted in 1986 to exclude once again any Roma representation on the 65-member council.

     

    Even nowadays, a high ranking Romanian politician explained the Roma situation by referring to America. "You know," they say, "The gypsies are like your Negroes: foreign, lazy, shiftless, untrustworthy and black.” While the enslavement of Gypsies has been abolished for over a century, equally inhumane forms of oppression continue to be perpetuated into the present day. In many ways, little has changed since the end of the Second World War; the persecutions continue. Official statements calling for the sterilization, deportation and even extermination of the Roma are still being released today in both eastern and western European countries. In Italy, a recent law has introduced the compulsory fingerprinting of all Roma people. The several hundred thousand Romani Americans are the only ethnic minority in the country against whom laws are still in effect, and who are portrayed negatively in school textbooks. And yet this Gypsy has been created out of the Romani population by non-gypsies, and become institutionalized in Euro-American folklore, and it is real “gypsies” who suffer because of it. But these crimes against humanity are seldom documented. Yet the world does not appear ready to believe that the enslavement of the Roma ever happened, or that it was significant enough to warrant being brought to the attention of the larger community. In Romani, there is the saying that "he who wants to enslave you will never tell you the truth about your forefathers." A people which have been denied access to the means by which other persecuted groups have been able to fight back - schooling, settled housing, opportunities for civil and political organization - remain at the mercy of the oppressive governments, the popular press and the Red Mist and Gav's of this world. But to juxtapose this, it is also this secret, mythical world which has also enabled the Roma to oppose globalisation and to hold on to it’s traditions without being assimilated.

     

    Among the Roma there are activists who see the gains made by other minority groups and want to share in these gains. They ask for the respect of the non-Roma world and for equal job opportunities. The first step must be education. It is believed by some authorities that more than 95 percent of the Roma in America are illiterate. This number may be higher in Europe. However, before education is possible, non-Roma people will have to overcome their long hostility toward and misunderstanding of the Roma, and Roma parents will have to overcome their fear of corruption by non-Roma.

     

    Although the Roma have largely adapted to living surrounded by foreign cultures, their social organization fosters the separation of Roma from non-Roma. This separation places Roma at a greater disadvantage than other, less separatist ethnic groups. While other ethnic groups have been denied equal rights in the past, the Roma have tended to stay apart by choice. Many Roma are slowly integrating and participating in the mainstream of European and American culture without compromising their identity. The advent of mass media has made it increasingly difficult for the Roma to maintain a separate cultural identity. Television follows them even if they migrate. The stress on literacy, which varies substantially among different Romani groups, seems to compound the problem. Although illiteracy, according to non-Roma standards, may help the Roma preserve their ethnic identity by isolating them, it also handicaps them in modern society. Illiteracy among many tribes prevents the cultural and intellectual values of the non-Roma from infiltrating and undermining traditional Roma society, maintaining the Romani sense of dignity and need for autonomy. Although they need and depend on contacts with their host countries as a source of their livelihood, the Roma do not want to be part of these societies in any sense that would involve compromise of their basic beliefs. Many Roma fear that over time integration could lead to assimilation, and the eventual disappearance of the Roma.

     

    So as it stands they have to live torn between the romantic pariah status of their people and the embrace of a dominant culture which can hardly conceive of such a monster as an educated gypsy.[/quote']

    'kin 'ell. The gypo colleague whose knickers you're trying to get into would be well impressed by that.

     

    In all seriousness though, if so many of them weren't out committing crime or sending their kids out to steal and beg, nobody would have a problem with the Roma, despite their isolationist culture.

  2. Its a self-fulfilling circle. People treat gypsies/roma's/travellers like shit. They give shit back, and resort to shitty means to earn a living. So people treat them even more like shit, this time with some verifiable anecdotes to fall back on. So they act accordingly.

     

    Marginalising, criminalising the entire lot of them, eventually leading to gas chambers. Thats one solution. No doubt about it.

     

    Its amazing. People will go to great lengths whining about how unfairly treated and marginalised their own community is. But will swallow the opposite side of the argument hook line and sinker when its about someone else.

     

    Good job Scousers would never fall for that one, eh?

    Rubbish comparasion. Scousers at least have a good sense of humour to redeem them. I've never met a funny gypo. Besides, scousers are ours, part of old Blighty. Why should we put up with Romania's undesirables? Or Europe for that matter. They're travellers, ask them to travel east. I'm sure they'd get a warmer welcome in Iraq or the like.

  3. Spurs supporters are utter cunts. After the mancs, rent boys and bitters, Spurs supporters would be on most hated list. A Spud fan at work is asking for a killing as he hasn't stopped talking about how wonderful Spurs suddenly are and how Liverpool are going down the shitter. Annoying little cunt. Spurs supporters are generally deluded little upstarts who think their club is better than what it is, when they're really just a pile of shit. Fuck them, I'm going to enjoy seeing Spurs humiliated in the CL this season.

  4. Oh and Stu, yes they are illegal. Under French law if people from certain EU countries are not in employment after a certain period of time, they need to return to their homeland. France is just enforcing this law. Wish we'd do the same, but instead you find countless unemployed Europeans sitting around in the UK, in their council homes, picking up JSA payments.

  5. Do-gooders, of which we have many on this forum, will always defend these people under the guise of "compassion" or a sense of moral superiority.

    But would the gypo lovers be happy to have them move next door to them? The gypo's reputation, especially those from Romania, is well earned and they really have no business coming to western Europe since they generally never contribute anything worthwhile once they're here. They only take from the taxpayer and stab us in the back at the same time by committing crime on our streets.

  6. I bet he's fully aware of the legality and morality of it.

     

    You need better bait than that.

    Hardly 'bait'. He's 18, from a remote village in Pakistan, a country where gambling is almost unheard of. For all he knows, throwing matches for money is the norm.

  7. Would be such a shame if it was Amir, why do it?? Asif put himself in the shit when he was starting out, might of thought he would of learnt from that.

    I would expect it to be him. A naive young kid in a foreign country would probably not think anything of being asked to throw a few no balls in a cricket match in return for some money. I doubt he's even aware that it's illegal and unsporting.

  8. Good on the French, at least they have the balls to remove these illegals. Can you imagine the UK doing something like this? No chance.

    The Roma generally do not work, or pay tax, their kids don't go to local schools, they do not integrate within wider society and above all, commit an extraordinarily high number of crime. There's a reason why the Romanians are so eager to send all their gypsies to western Europe, and why the Italians and French are eager to expel them.

    Sadly these deported gypo's will most likely be turning up at our doorstep next, availing themselves to our welfare system, and knowing full well our spineless government would never throw them out as the French have done.

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