Anny Road

Maybe she is on the moon. 

Well in Area 51 where that staged the landing anyway.

Ask A Red. He has places. But take your own bins.

Thing is I have my doubts about the McCanns, something doesn’t add up. Saying they murdered her and hid her body though I cannot justify.

There is more to this whole story but guessing the end then looking backwards for reasons to justify the ending, whilst ignoring things which point elsewhere, is the opposite method used by forensic investigators .

1 minute ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

To be fair, "shove your onus up your bum" is a great comeback.

Shove your onus up your anus would have been more poetic.

2 minutes ago, TK421 said:

It would require a lengthy explanation, but you're a fucking moron and wouldn't understand it.  So I can't be arsed.

Don’t think anything else needs to be said. You are making my point for me. Cheers.

I ask again what in the inconsistency you mention proves she never attended the kids club. You must have something to make such a claim.

2 minutes ago, TK421 said:

I've already said numerous times I'm not interested in persuading you or changing your mind.  If you're genuinely interested, fuck off and find out for yourself.

You keep making wild assertions then when asked to back it up with you now some fucking evidence you refuse. The onus is on you to justify your claims made on a public forum not for me to hunt for evidence to justify you.

2 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Define it yourself, you lazy cunt.

She was there or she wasn’t. Who says she wasn’t?

Define inconsistent.

13 minutes ago, TK421 said:

I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone's interest, most of all theirs.  That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange and so that is the biggest issue I have with how that investigation proceeded.  To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best investigative practice but is common sense.  Had Grange done this then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done but I am satisfied on what has been said by the Met and what is available that it was not.

 

http://colinsutton.blogspot.com/2017/05/madeleine-mccann-and-operation-grange_9.html

If you are going to quote add some context.

'My brush with that investigation – and I call it that because I was never actually involved with it'

52 minutes ago, TK421 said:

No, it's not circumstantial.  They have DNA evidence - a blood sample from the apartment. 

 

The McCanns are being protected by the UK government, that's why they haven't been questioned under the remit of Operation Grange.  If Operation Grange was a serious investigation the McCanns would be questioned along with the rest of the Tapas 7.  Operation Grange is a sham and was instigated following threats from Rebekah Brooks. 

Show us the evidence.

Just now, TK421 said:

The PJ were heading that way until political pressure intervened.  Hence Kate McCann being questioned under caution.  

Ah so it is political as well. Rather all they have is circumstantial and no doubt the UK have insisted as much.

No political establishment has any investment in the McCanns if they were guilty they would be done.

Just now, TK421 said:

Saying "there is no evidence" just means you know nothing about the case.  There's 11,223 pages of evidence on the PJ file website.  But like I say, I'm not going to try and change your mind, just can't be arsed.

Charge them then.

2 minutes ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

It was a bit like being the frog that's being boiled. Just got deeper and deeper into it. I had no idea what we were getting ourselves into until it had gone so far that it was impossible to back out without being incredibly rude.

 

Fortunately, now that we've survived I can look back and laugh at it.

Being incrediley rude? They were giving you electric shocks and then trying to flog you the machine.

What next water boarding and buy the bucket?

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

I'm not going to try and convince you, Anny.  If you think they had nothing to do with it I think it makes you very gullible.  

I don't think they are innocent. But they are until proved otherwise. Stuff that is a bit dodgy is not proof.

Show me motive, murder weapon, body, witness, crime scene and I will start to consider but going to bed and not answering questions falls a lot short of that. I wish I could cross examine the dogs but we cannot. The top copper is corrupt and was booted out of the force for fitting up someone else for murder, which is never mentioned.

There is no eveidence.

Cat looks undercooked to me. No beans or keys. 1/10

My words would have been fuck off. Friends or not stick it up your arse.

The fact they brought it with them would be enough to boot them out and right that friendship off.

23 minutes ago, TK421 said:

People say you don't know how you'd react but there have actually been lots of books written on the subject.  One of the things people don't do is hire the best lawyers, hire the best PR teams, hire a government spin doctor and pay them to keep their story on the front pages of the newspapers.  I think it's generally accepted that most people certainly don't go to sleep six hours after their kid goes missing!  A parent with no guilty knowledge would be doing everything they can do find the missing child, not concerning themselves with TV and newspaper interviews.  The McCanns did not physically search for Madeleine at all.

You do if you have a large fund of money raised that needs administering. If I killed my kid I'd want it out of the public eye as soon as possible, certainly not front page.

If you'd been up all day, running around, hours of tennis, several bottles of wine then your kid goes missing. The adrenline when it left your body would be like being hit on the head. You would collapse in a heap.

2 minutes ago, Thoth said:

Not a sign of guilt but it is unquestionably weird, you would crawl over broken glass to do whatever you could to help the investigations, eliminate yourselves and let them get on with other lines of enquiry as quickly as possible.

Not when you are concerned you are being fitted up as a suspect by incompetent police covering their own arses.

I once broke a window in a hotel and was knicked. Taken to the police station and I asked for a solicitor.

Spoke to him and he said it would be morning till he could get there for a interview and to say nothing till then. Nothing.

That was a window not a murder.

Just now, Barry Wom said:

Black pud was nicely cooked, crispy outside, soft in the middle. A nice sausage too, but after the top of the range sausage I had yesterday, it failed a a little in comparison, but that was down to yesterday's good work. 

Probably just the photo.

Should have used the sausage as a bean harbour wall to prevent unwanted leakage rather than perch them on top.

Loooks good that difficult to fault. No keys obviously and BP looks raw.

10 hours ago, chrisbonnie said:

Just after watching the first episode with the missus. 

 

Besides the one we all knew of them leaving those children on their own. 

 

The one thing that screamed GUILT to me was when they said they both went to bed at 4am for some rest, after reporting their daughter missing 6 hours earlier. 

 

Seriously, how could sleep even be in your mind if your child was missing. 

 

I don't know what happened to that child, but in my opinion one of, or both of the parents know more than they're making out 

Guilt?

If I had just killed or staged the abduction of one of my kids I doubt I would feel chilled out and go to bed either.

None of us know how you would react and to infer guilt because someone went to bed is daft to put it kindly.

10 hours ago, Scott_M said:

Triple Fromtier - 5.5/10. It was Ok. Considering the cast, it should have been better.

Agree with that. Charlie wasn't to bad. Suppose he was not the lead. Maybe 6 from me. Not much happens.

9 minutes ago, Jennings said:

The bag thing was weird too.

 

Gerry had a large blue hold-all. It was photographed in the wardrobe I think - but then went missing. 

The coppers probably lost it they were that incompetent.

It is not beyond possibility that Gerry had clothes with him that he wore at work and came into contact with bodies

The East german police would swab propaganda posters and store them and get dogs to sniff suspects.

The Stasi had a whole range of methods and means to try to track down people who said or did anything critical of the East German communist regime. Collecting scent samples was used to try to identify those, for example, who had distributed flyers or who wrote critical graffiti.

How did the Stasi collect these samples?

Specially trained dogs are used to identify people's smells

When they found a piece of graffiti or a flyer then they took a dust cloth, which was usually yellow, and left it for a while lying next to the flyers covered by a protective piece of aluminum foil and then they had their sample. The cloth was then sealed in a pickling jar and stored. If the Stasi later came across a suspect in the process of the investigation, they tried to get a sample from this person as well -- of course, secretly. A trained dog was given the two smells, and if they matched, the Stasi had a concrete name.