scousewillis

Honest English players the lot of them.

Cheating foreign players bringing the game into disrepute. Disrespectful foreign managers who don't understand the supreme football culture of English football. The English have to take every opportunity to claim the moral high ground. Suarez was crucified. Klopp is constantly ridiculed. Lanzini is the latest victim. Allardyce understands the game ... and Calvin Lewis didn't dive ... They're English you know ...

I would say no more than 5% impact, but in the premier league that could be the difference between a win and a draw.

I'm talking about the impact of the moans on Burnley players. If I were a Burnley player hearing the moans of Liverpool fans I'd be thinking hell yeah we're doing something right here thank you for the confidence booster .. well done guys

Mistakes are there but we're dominating games and playing superb football. Individual mistakes require change in personnel and Klopp simply doesn't want to replace one avarage player by another. He is willing to wait until the right players become available. Meanwhile it could help if the moaners try to encourage the current crop rather than the opposition.

Just imagine how uplifted the Burnley players must have been upon hearing the moans aimed at our players from the stands ... it must have given them immense belief in what they were doing ... just saying ..

Can it not be the fans fault AND the players fault? Does it have to be either or?

It is not a coinsidince we tend to do well against top sides. The atmosphere in those games is one of encouragement rather than cynicism, belief rather than doubt, togetherness rather than division. It's not just about counter pressing and men behind the ball.

When he celebrates a goal like a maniac do you also see that as an aggressive reaction or a man wearing his heart on his sleeve? You people need to understand that we are not Man City or Chelsea or PSG ... we have limited resources, and to win with limited resources you need a weapon that money cannot buy. That weapon is atmosphere ... passion ... belief ... why can't we give him that ... is that too much to ask for? Apparantly so ..

I'm not condoning it. I'm just highlighting the fact that Klopp does not belong to the era of commercialism and still perceives the crowd as fans rather than customers.

But again, if you are paying for a result you should know better than to act in a way that is counter productive to the result you are paying for.

Is right.

Maybe he overreacted. That I cannot argue with. However, I understand his frustration and I see where he is coming from. The point I'm trying to make is that Klopp is not doing it out of self aggrandization. He is doing it out of his genuine belief in the old mantra of fans, players and manager being one unit.

Sadly this is the age we live in. It is all about money and commercial rights. But for me that makes Klopp an anachronism we should embrace and appreciate rather than a guy full of himself.

True that.

I thought the same during the first few weeks of Klopp's arrival. However, after 2 years I saw enough to subscribe to his vision of what a football club should be like. The holy trinity of fans, players, and manager as Shanks used to say ... it was never a case of get your own house in order first in Shanks's time ..

Klopp believes atmosphere is one of the cornerstones of a house in order ..

There is no lack of effort from the team. They play the most intense football in the league and they run themselves to tbe ģround for us. Some positions may require an upgrade but that is something Klopp is working on albeit he wants the right players rather than more average ones. Meanwhile all he is asking is to get behind the ones we have until the right alternatives become available. This team would finish mid table with any other manager.

Jurgen Klopp believes that atmosphere is the key player in a football match. It is the one factor that tilted the balance of bundesliga in his favor for 2 years and took hid Dortmund team to the champions league final. And it is the one factor that made him want the Liverpool job. He believes in its power, and I can understand his frustration at not having it. You may disagree with his vision or the value he places on it ... fair enough but at least see where he comes from and don't accuse him of being "full of himself" because that is definitely not the case. This is a man who wears his heart on his sleeve and we will struggle big time when the time comes to replace him.

Klopp is right to be pissed off with fans sarcastically applauding their own players for their choice of team mate to pass to.

It's been like that for years and we've been shit for years. I'm not saying it's THE reason behind our shitness but it is defenitely s contributing factor. If what you describe in your earlier post is what happened then it's as bad as berating the players in my opinion.

Klopp's emotional outbursts are usually aimed at referees, opposition bench, fans ... anyone but the players. I've never seen him telling a player he was shit across the touchline during a game.

I never said anyone is berating the players for the full 90 minutes. Surely no fan in his right mind would do that. I said some fans berate the players DURING the 90 minutes. If my grasp of the English language is not bad this could mean berating players at any time during the 90 minutes ... even once.

It is human nature I guess. Some people simply cannot control their emotions and frustrations. They have to vent on the spot. That doesn't change the fact that it is counterproductive to do so.

Berating the players during the 90 minutes is counterproductive. It doesn't improve things. It doesn't change the situation. Creating a positive atmosphere is the only thing that can help during the 90 minutes.