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Rafa stating that he aint going to Juventus, which brought about some conflicting debates in the "http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/88340-rafa-statement.html thread. So by the looks of it he seems intent on staying. If does get us back into the Champions League would that be enough for you to give him another crack at it or is his time up? Personally, i think he has a plan and thatr for me is enough to give him one more season. He is buidling something here and inspite of what happened this season, we are still a great club. If by next January we are still fighting for 4th, out of the Champions League and the title race then I would like him to go.

Sky Sports | Football | News | Murphy - Rafa should go The experienced midfielder, who is now on the books of Fulham, believes the time has come for sweeping changes to be made at Anfield if they are to set out on the road to recovery. The 32-year-old playmaker is of the opinion that in order for progress to be made, Benitez needs to be shown the door and a new manager brought in to help steady the ship. With pressure mounting on the Spaniard with each passing game, it may only be a matter of time before Murphy's beliefs are shared by the Liverpool board. A disastrous 2009/10 has underlined just how far away the club are from being regular contenders for major trophies, and much of the blame for their ongoing failings has been laid at Benitez's door. "If you ask me has the time for Liverpool come to look for a new manager then I have to say 'yes'," Murphy told the News of the World. "That is not me slating the guy because he forced me out when I didn't want to leave the club in the first place. Neither am I saying he is a bad manager. But over the last year or so the club have not moved forwards, in fact they are going backwards. Mistakes "I will always be a fan. I keep in touch with a lot of people close to the club and many think the time has come for a new manager. I agree providing that process doesn't cripple the club financially in terms of pay-offs." He added: "Liverpool's problems at the moment are not just about some of the bad buys they have made for a lot of money over the last few years, but also the mistakes they've made in letting players go. "I am not thinking of an obvious one like (Xabi) Alonso, but why on earth did Benitez sell players like Peter Crouch and Craig Bellamy when they are so reliant on Fernando Torres? "It goes without saying the team have ended up relying too much on Torres, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher. "Over the past two years Benitez has made too many bad decisions. History says he has won the Champions League and the FA Cup for Liverpool, although even then people can argue about the merit of those wins. "What I do know is that after being there for this length of time the debate should no longer be about Liverpool qualifying for the Champions League or where they finish in the league but actually winning the title. And that's not going to happen again this season. So something has to change. "People go on about how well Liverpool did last season by finishing runners up? So what? We finished second under Gerard Houllier with 80 odd points. Our team also won three big trophies in one season. So things haven't really got much better. If anything they have got worse." I agree that Rafa should go but I don't think we are anywhere near as bad as we were in 2004. I love Murphy but some of what he says in that article is questionable IMO. Your thoughts lads?