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I never said Kenny WAS average, I just said that we don't know how good he really is at this point. I'm not even saying that I'd rather have Benitez, just that there's no question about his ability to manage in todays football. He won the champions League with THAT side, and two times la liga with Valencia. That is what's called achieving beyond the means. When Kenny was here last time around he got a very good team to achieve to the best of it's ability. That's not whats required of him now, we need more now. I don't know if he can deliver that (noone does)but I absolutely love him, so of course I hope so. But from Torres point of view he might have more of a basis to make his mind up. The changes since Kenny came in have, of course, been very very positive.. In the future you might wait until you've calmed down a bit before posting as I don't really think your anger makes for a valid piont in this discussion.

One of my points here is that we dont NEED to replace him now, .with him we'll maybe get 5th-6th, without him 8th? What difference does it make really?. We'll get by without him 'til the summer. but we might get a shitload of more money for him now. And to buy a top class striker in january to replace him would never be good business anyway even if he'd handed in his request in august... I just know that if I were Citeh, within touching distance of the scum, knowning that getting Torres could make the difference between 1st and 2nd, I'd be paying whatever it took to get him If he's going anyway I don't really see what we have to loose here. It's not like we'll get relegated. I don't care if Chelsea need to rebuild, if Torres makes the wrong career deceition by joining them, who gives a f***? That's his problem not ours.

There once was a Liverpool player, let's just call him... eh.. Steven Gerrard,. He was one of the best players in the world, but he felt he was stuck in a team going nowhere. He feared that his ambitions could not be fulfilled if he stayed with the team he grew up in. The team closest to his heart, his favorite team, his hometown. He made the decision to join Chelsea because he could see himself winning stuff there. I wanted him to go swim with the fishes, I wanted him to catch some really horrible disease. Then he changed his mind. He stayed with us, and his trophy cabinet has not excactly been filled up since. There once was another player, let's just call him... eh.. Fernando Torres,. He was one of the best players in the world, but he felt he was stuck in a team going nowhere. He feared that his ambitions could not be fulfilled if he stayed with the team he grew up in. The team closest to his heart, his favorite team, his hometown. He made the decision to join Liverpool because he could see himself winning stuff there. However things did not play out like he hoped they would. He just joined the English version of his beloved Atletico. He would look to his teammate Gerrard and see a player approaching the twilight of his career with nothing much to show for his exceptional ability, oh well at least he was playing for the club in his heart in his hometown. Fernando Torres knew he needed a change. The reactions since Torres transfer request are just pathetic and unworthy of our club. We know nothing about how Torres is seeing things from the inside I love Kenny, and I'm thrilled to see the change in the side since he took over, but have you ever considered that he might be just an average manager now? Torres has worked with Benitez who is a modern manager on top of his game, making a team punch above it's weight most seasons. Maybe he just don't see that happening under Kenny? And no one really knows what's gonna happen in the summer... We might be starting all over again. He might be thinking this gonna take at least 3 years to fix, by then he'll be pushing 30. He came here to win, not for sentimental reasons. We dont know all the facts here, he might well be doing us a favour, even playing along with a game the manager and the owners has designed for the benefit of the club. He might have made his mind up that he's leaving this summer no matter what, and told the club about this. Then he might actually be doing us a favour by leaving now; If it's true that there's a 50m release clause that activates this summer then selling him now would be the only way to get MORE than that.When the club make his request public they're really just saying "the table is set, but this is gonna be one expensive meal" There's no way Chelsea will be the only bidder if Torres is leaving by Monday, Citeh and maybe even Barca (real's a no go) and Inter (united?) will be in the hunt. The price will go up. £50m is peanuts for a player of Torres quality we should get 70m , if there's a clause activated in the summer we could loose a lot of money. And also by handing in a request he will forego his share of the fee which might even be somewhere between 10-20% (at least £5-10m!!!) So his request might actually, best case scenario give the club £30+ more cash than a summer transfer!!! This season is a write off anyway, We'll never get 4th and who really gives a flying fcuk if we make the Europa League anyway. It makes no difference to our season if he leaves now. Do I want him to leave? Hell no! Do I want to see him playing for ANY other english club (especially the chavs or the scum)? It'll be like losing a limb. But COME ON!!! He's no OWen, he's no McMoneyman. I have no reason to believe that he's not genuinely fond of the club and the fans here, but he left his dream club to join us for christ sake! TO COMPETE AT THE ABSOLUTE TOP LEVEL OF THE GAME... are we there now? will we be there next season? In the last year he's also witnessed 3 worldclass, fellow spanish speaking players and a world class manager, with whom he had a special relationship, leave the club. Fernando Torres does not owe Liverpool Football Club or the fans anything. I'd love him to stay, and I'd be fully behind him if he does. But I support LFC not Torres, that will never change. We sold Rushie, we sold the Mighty Mouse. We came back stronger. We will be back on our perch, with or without him. Get over it. Move on.

I think we should take a closer look at Antony Annan, the Ghanesian 23 yr old def mid currently playing for Rosenborg in Norway. The Guardian even had him on their world cup best 11. He's quick, good tackler, good feet and good at keeping the ball. Very impressive for Ghana in the WC and would only cost around £4m. In my opinion worth a gamble. Hopefully Hodgson already has his eye on him as he should know the Scandinavian market from his time coaching there...