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This is one bizarre debate to be having on a Liverpool forum.

I'm all for a healthy argument but this is not the topic for it.

Never has been - never will be and if you can't acknowledge or see that you've got no fucking business at this club.

JFT96.

Telegraph reporting that "council red tape" in Clapham has thwarted the attempts of local people to clean up the streets.

You really could not make this stuff up!

Some epic entertainment on this thread lads particularly Noos' single contribution on the previous page - a real coffee all over the keyboard moment.

The only surprising thing about the whole sorry episode is that its taken so long for the morons involved to actually kick-off.

The fact that its "spread" to Birmingham, Liverpool, Bristol etc proves beyond all doubt that monkey see, monkey do and whilst I would not wish these disturbances on anyone - the fact that certain elements in our own fair city felt the need to become involved leaves me totally depressed.

Unfortunately we're now going to suffer night after night of watching Cameron, May, Boris the Idiot and the other morally and financially corrupt buffoons who run this country pontificate about the whys and wherefors on the BBC. And don't get me started on the Met.

Still, I suppose it'll make a change from watching them lick Murdoch's arse or trying to justify how their mates in the Commons need luxury apartments in Westminster in order to do a job they never show up for anyway.

And after George Osborne blaming the Royal Wedding - and the fact that the plebs got an extra day's holiday - for the slower than expected recovery in the second quarter he's got an absolute belter of an excuse lined up for the third.

If anyone's passing JD tonight can they pick me up a pair of the Adidas Marathon 80 in the silver/grey colourway size 11? Ta.

Tom Clancy.

Cannot fucking stand him.

How do you know Sammy didn't want to go and work for fat Sam again though? Maybe Clarke and Kenny do things in a different way to him and it just wasn't working out for him or for them?

 

Clarke has worked before with Keen and he does have a decent reputation as a coach. I reckon it will probably work out ok. I do love Sammy, but there's no time for sentimentality in football as he would tell you himself.

One of the lads I go the game with had a bevy with Sammy at Chester Races May Meeting and Sammy told him he thought he was getting the push - I posted something about it at the time.

There's no way Sammy wanted out - he was gutted about it.

Just after Stanley Dock if heading towards the mouth of the river.

Adidas (by all accounts) were offered the chance to match the money Warrior were putting up so I can't really see them throwing their toys out the pram.

Having said that I'll believe we are getting a new stadium when that mythical fucking spade is in the ground.

I've wanked out sperm bigger then Raheem.

 

But the Jones press stuff is quite amazing in how the treat a young English lad going to Utd as a brilliant move, and a young English lad for the same money going to Liverpool as a risk.

The press still don't seem to have cottoned onto the fact that we are now relatively debt free whereas our friends from down the road are up to their eyes in it.

They're very slow to adjust their thinking to the fact that without the acquistion debt we are a very profitable concern with money to spend.

There's a new sheriff in town and his name's John Henry. The fact that we've bid for Jones backs up his assertion that he'll go toe to toe with the cunts and I, for one, am very happy about it regardless of some of the weird and wonderful responses on various threads to the fact that we're supposedly bidding for Wickham, Clichy, Adam etc etc.

Is he the kid compared to Raheem Stirling?

It is mate.

Although by all accounts he's a bit bigger than Raheem.

A couple of new arrivals at U16 level:

Jerome Sinclair (WBA) and Lloyd Jones (Plymouth Argyle). Jones is a Welsh international who supposedly signed a 3 year scholarship yesterday.

Source is the excellent Youth thread on RAWK and Twitter.

JS has definitely been playing in an U15 tournament for us in Holland (or somewhere) were we finished third behind Real Madrid and PSV - along with that Irish lad Alex O'Hanlon.

I think Guardiola's comments are a little premature but things are starting to come together nicely at all junior levels and I might be spending a few saturday mornings in Kirkby next season.

He is actually Denis' grandson.

Noted.

Don't follow the game as closely as I used to to be honest although there are few finer things in life than walloping the Aussies at cricket, what?

I think it all started to go to pot when they jibbed using the batmens' initials on scorecards

A P E Knott

I V A Richards etc etc

Now that was proper cricket.

Kevin Pietersen is absolutely fucking shit. Really is about time we fucked him off. He simply doesn't score any runs. Give someone like Compton or Bairstow a go.

And Hobbs and Hutton.

Yes, the main shareholders showed some true colours, including our wannabe-saviour Mr Morgan, but Parry and Moores are 100% to blame for landing us in such an unbelievable mess that almost end the club as a going concern and sees us now struggling to get back to the top table with no European football in the coming season. For his extra pieces of silver, Moores sold us down the river. The one thing the book highlights, is that he must have known he was doing that as anyone else looking at the Sales Document was able to immediately see that it was doomed to failure. Moores will have been advised of the massive financial risk the club was been put in, and sold anyway. Fuck Moores, and Fuck Parry. They will forever go down in history as the two people that almost buried Liverpool Football Club.

This is spot on.

Either as the majority shareholder or with the controlling interest (ie over 50% shareholding) Moores carries the can.

Him and that fucking gobshite Parry.

In terms of seasons, this is the longest stretch in our history without winning the league. Eleven in 18 years followed by none in 21 years, incredible.

Old ground I know but Kenny should have been told to take the rest of the 90/91 season off and come back in the summer.

I'm assuming Souness - still the greatest pure CM I've seen - was a David Moores appointment and the seed was sewn.

The haste with which Souness ripped apart our last title winning team was fucking suicidal and something we've never recovered from.

Yep - the Swansea FA Cup ties were the 4-0 in 82 and the 0-0 in 90.

One of the lads had a theory that Liverpool intentionally drew all away ties in the Cup just to make the gate money on the replay and the cunt wouldn't shut up about it after we beat them 8-0 four days later.

From memory the game in 82 was on the back of a 3-1 (?) home defeat to City which left us in 10th or 11th at the turn of the year and we still won the League.

I suppose the lack of appreciation at the time - even from elements of our own support was a natural consequence of taking it all for granted - similar to that "parade" thing the Mancs had on Monday watched by one man and his dog. It all came too easy for us and you knew that even on the rare occasions when we fucked up that we'd sort it out one way or another the following season.

And then the edifice started to crumble - Sir John Smith, Peter Robinson, Kenny walking out and Jocky retiring.

And then David Moores happened............

365

 

Did you know that in one of the years Liverpool won the Euorpean Cup, Dundee United reached the semi-finals? Us neither, but their campaigns are being put under the microscope in Manchester...

 

 

 

Or maybe not......

Probably not worth explaining to them then - that Scottish football was quiet strong in the early 80s with even Ferguson's Aberdeen team winning the ECWC in 83 against Real Madrid.

Or that the Dundee Utd team that reached the semi finals in 1984 were only undone by Roma's financial skullduggery - and that Roma team contained the likes of Falcao, Cerezo, Bruno Conti and Francesco Grazziani who'd all featured in the legendary Brazil Italy game in the 82

Ignorance is bliss.

You've got a point about the Arsenal game - it was like something broke that game. At the age I was, and barring the Wimbledon debacle, I just wasn't used to disappointments - it was unheard of. In reality, it was probably a mixture of Wimbledon, Arsenal and Palace that did for us - along with all the other mitigating factors of the time.

 

The Why Not ? had a great jukie, if I remember ? Harrington St used to be great - Pen & Wig, Croc, Why Not ? and the Manhattan on the end !

 

Ask your mate what horse is going to win the Derby on Saturday for us !!

He's not clairvoyant or anything just a miserable cunt - he's the only man I know who went straight to bed after we got back into Taksim after Istanbul.

Ashley youngs agent was seen in Liverpool today. Thats all im saying at the moment.

It's me bird's birthday today and I'm taking her to San Carlo tonight.

Nudge nudge wink wink.

Me and the lads have discussed the "begining of the end" on many occasions.

Normally its drink fuelled and at the end of the night's bevvying when everyone telling the old war stories like the Battle of White Hart Lane in March 80 and who got a hiding at Stamford Bridge in 82 etc etc.

Funny that a lot of them seem to revolve around FA Cup games but then there was definitely a different atmosphere around Cup games - the allocation was always big and the other mobs were always "up" for the Cup as it were.

Anyway - with the benefit of hindsight we have always tended to see the Arsenal title decider in 89 as the begining of the end. Despite the fact we added one more title and almost did the same to Arsenal a year later at Highbury when Ronnie Rosenthal turned the game for us there just didn't seem to be the same aura about the team in 89-90.

Funnily enough after the 90 title clincher against QPR we were in town celebrating - The Why Not? on Harrington Street - and the lad who sits next to me at the game turned to me and said "We're never going to do this ever again."

At the time we all thought he was losing it but he was bang on the money 21 years and counting. Hope to fuck he was wrong...............

Me and a few others got ran for what seemed like 3 hours that day, by hordes of locals making Apache noises. Started by walking into a pub, walking over to a few lads we recognised and being given "the eyes", so as not to let on and to get the fuck outta Dodge. By the time I got in the ground I thought I was having a heart attack, I'd ran so much.

 

Norwich on Barnes coaches for the 5th rd (I think - worst journey ever), game = shit.

 

QPR in the quarters that year as well wasn't it ? On a Sunday ? We took thousands down there. As we were walking out of the stand at the side, and old fella opened his window in the house opposite to tell us we'd drawn Palace in the semi - should we go through. Cue some loon answering back: "Shut up you pervert, what are you looking at anyway ?". Old fella protests his innocence, only to be met with a couple of thousand people singing "Sex case, sex case Hang him, hang him hang him !". He closed his window and drew his curtains...

Strange people the Welsh and they do like a barney.

Weird coincidence that - all three of this years promoted sides in the same Cup run.

Just had to check history.net. Norwich was actually in the fourth round with Southampton at Anfield in the fifth.

Didn't go to Norwich for whatever reason but was at QPR for the quarters. As you said we must have had 4 or 5 thousand there. Digger free kick one of the goals if my memory serves?

Missed the start at Villa Park thanks to the early kick-off and roadworks on the M6. What pissed me off even more was the late kick off in the other semi was the Munsters v Oldham at Maine Road which was surely the obvious candidate for the early start. Still - wouldn't expect anything else of the FA. Couldn't organise an orgy in a brasshouse.

Match was a heartbreaker and it was the hatrick end of season kick in the bollocks after the Wimbledon Cup Final and Arsenal in 1989.

The Vetch Field was the worst ground I,ve ever been to. Ankle deep in piss in the toilets, fucking horrible.

Yeah I remember the bogs from the 3rd Round FA Cup tie there in January 90. It was a wet day anyway and even the walls were fucking dripping.

Be a toss up between the Vetch, Bootham Crescent, the old Wimbledon ground at Plough Lane or The Manor Ground, Oxford for me.

Went to an FA Cup game in York in the mid-80s and they'd put straw on the pitch to insulate it against frost. Match survived the weather but for some reason they never bothered to take of all the straw. Place looked like Compost Corner.

The Premeirship is going to have a bit of a retro feel to it next season with QPR, Norwich and Swansea in it.

Still, three decent footballing sides (from the bits and pieces I've seen of them) and all decent aways.

Loftus Road was always my favourite London away even with that fucking awful plazzy pitch.

You always felt like you were going to fall off the edge of the world before you actually got to Norwich but some fond memories of trips to Carrow Road. The 0-0 midweek in 1988 - in what was supposed to be our title clincher - was a ball-ache though. Had to leave it till Spurs on the Saturday and only four games to go but hey ho.

Had a couple of corkers away at Swansea in the FA Cup back in the day as well. The Vetch had to be one of the biggest toilets going and the natives were a bit lively but all good clean fun.

I fucking despise everything about that club and its fans.

I had a great night last night and I'm going to laugh long and hard

I stand corrected. Educated even.

 

Was the hatred ever up there with the Mancs/Everton though? Or more a case of "we're the best two teams in England at the minute so we're not really going to have a love-in are we?"

 

Genuine question by the way, by the time I knew what football was, Clough wasn't far from relegating them and I've never really known any animosity between the two clubs.

I'd say that for a two to three year period roughly 1978 to 1980 the hatred of Forest easily exceeded both the bitters and the mancs - neither of whom were considered a threat. Ipswich (Bobby Robson), Forest and WBA (Big Ron from The Swan) were the next three best sides in the country at the time.

The Forest team was functional in a similar way to George Graham's Arsenal ten years later - based on a brutal centre half pairing of Larry Lloyd and Kenny Burns - not particularly easy on the eye and any time you looked like getting the upper hand you got a kicking - very dificult to break down.

We lost the 78 League Cup final to them in a replay at Old Trafford from a disputed penalty which was clearly outside the box (no change there then).

They knocked us out of the European Cup at Anfield in September 1978 and the league game against them in the December was without doubt the best atmosphere at a league game I've experienced. (2-0 btw Terry Mac 2)

From a personal persepective Forest winning "our" European Cup in 79 and 80 hurt like fuck as has every English success since. Particularly so in the case of them cunts from down the Lancs.

Forza El Barca!

Them Italian puppet things off the Dolmio adverts give me the hebejeebies proper.

Especially the Granny.