Dr Arthur De Sabre

15 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

It’s just gambling at the end of the day. 

You say that mate, but it’s a slippery slope, one big win and ye’ll be in the buy to let market with a couple of doer uppers before you know it.

14 hours ago, Chairman Meow said:

They're all still filthy commies really

 

 

Superb, those first few series were fucking brilliant, shits all over Seinfeld.
Might have to give them another watch.

Fucking junior Tory, speculating champs the lot of yers should be ashamed of yer selves.

14 hours ago, Mook said:

'Keep them smiles beaming'

 

No wonder every cunt is smiling wherever he goes, the fucking tube.

Aye but he’s a casual sniper, so cards are being marked.

Why do people do this shit?

I think it used to be a thing to maybe stick up the kids uniform for starting school, or a kids christening outfit.

but why the fuck does a grown man, lay out and share the clothes that he will be wearing, that again, would probably look a lot better on a dinner lady.

a peach hat for fucks sake

The bio: “living the casuals life I dreamed of”

really mate, dressing up like yer missus and not getting anywhere near a fucking footy match for christ knows how long.

I hate adi fam Twitter gobshites.

3 hours ago, Karl_b said:

At the age of 35, and having suffered from ulcerative colitis for 15 years, I've been told I've reached the end of the road with medical treatment. I've had a rough two years of trying different new medicines but ultimately none of them have worked, leading me to have many courses of steroids and to being hospitalised. Over the last 6 months I've been in discussion with my incredible healthcare team and we've decided that the best option is for me to have surgery. So, current pressures permitting, at some point in the next 2-4 months I'll be having my entire large intestine removed.

 

This is effectively a cure for my condition but it's pretty scary (albeit fairly routine). The hope is that in a year's time my overall health will have improved but, more importantly, my long term way of life will be better, life expectancy longer and the significant risk of bowel cancer will be pretty much removed. They'll be rebuilding my insides so that I don't need an external stoma bag but if I don't take to it then it can be reversed to give me the stoma. Hopefully the new insides will work!

Sister in law had this done a few years back, she had undiagnosed UC, and only found out when surgery was the only option.

rough time, but she is in a good way these days.

best of luck with it, not a massive fan of invasive surgery - ask for loads of the good stuff pain wise.

3 hours ago, skaro said:

 

Good for you, Karl. 

Best of luck.

My son was born with Hirschsprung's Disease and had 16 centimetres of "nerveless" bowel removed at two weeks of age.

He's 13yo now and pretty fighting fit, touch wood.

Thanks to this plague, I'm 15 months late for my scheduled colonoscopy.

 

Anyway, up your bum, as they say down here.

(Hopefully, this greatly reduces your cholera chances too!)

 

 

 

 

Eh? You must be hanging about with a bad sort mate.

I do have a plumbers USB scope with a fucking long lead if yer can convince yer missus to give yer a hand. 

Non-returnable, mind you.

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Nicking that one

On 26/01/2021 at 04:43, Section_31 said:

Seen this happen at a few festivals, never one with Simone Migs in the crowd though.

7 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

 

Got sent this one this

morning, along with quite a few on the auld fella with his 100 laps.

3 hours ago, General Dryness said:

I'm now a qualified Proofreader/Copy-editor. Yay me.

 

BTW, don't be fucking critiquing my posts. I'm off the clock when I'm on here.

Nice one, start critiquing the echo, if they take yer on ye’ll be employed for years with the shite they put out.

47 minutes ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

I think there must be a lot of vaccine refusal here in the States. I got a call last week from a doctor friend of a friend who said they had some doses that were unused by the people slated to get them, and did I want to come and get one. Unfortunately I couldn't go, so it went to another friend, but it seemed awfully odd to me that they were already looking for people to take them (they had a pretty strict expiration and had to go quickly) when we're not even into Phase 2 of the schedule as far as I'm aware.

Considering the CDC head has stated they have no idea how many doses are in hand, Donny jr and Kushner hav probably paid off Rudi in vaccine

Hunting Ghislaine by John Sweeney is also decent.

Sweeney does my head in at times (when he talks politics), but he’s a good investigative journo

On 20/12/2020 at 04:04, Captain Howdy said:

Any good politics ones?

Politics, Theory, Other is prettty good from a serious aspect, and Alexei Sayle’s is good from both comedic and serious viewpoint.

1 hour ago, skaro said:

 

Mate,

I hope it's a new dawn.

I hope it's change for the better, not a return to normality.

The US needed changing, for the better.

Trump didn't do it.  No surprises there.

But it needed changing.

I really hope Biden can change it.

The "normality" of the US has not been anything to write home about.  For many, many, many years.

And until these career party politicians/powerbrokers that are now resuming the reins supply some genuine, sustained proof in the pudding, I reserve the right to be cynical and skeptical.

(And sarcasm is, after all, the lowest form of wit, so I never disappoint on that score!)

 

But yes, here's hoping.

 

 

 

 

Deffo wait and see, but it’s a new hope - coincidentally the name of a mining company a mate used to work for, so seems apt

2 hours ago, skaro said:

 

USA going back to what it was.

Phew.

 

 

Shit dude, you are dripping sarcasm all over the place!

To be fair to Uncle Joe, some of the news on what he plans to do in the next week or 2 do appear to be genuinely positive, the private prisons is a big one that I think ODB Clinton brought in.

from CNN Politics: 

President Joe Biden is finalizing 17 executive moves just hours after his inauguration Wednesday, moving faster and more aggressively to dismantle his predecessor's legacy than any other modern president.

Biden is signing a flurry of executive orders, memorandums and directives to agencies, his first steps to address the coronavirus pandemic and undo some of former President Donald Trump's signature policies.

"There's no time to start like today," Biden told reporters in the Oval Office as he began signing a stack of orders and memoranda. "I'm going to start by keeping the promises I made to the American people."

With the stroke of a pen, Biden has halted funding for the construction of Trump's border wall, reversed his travel ban targeting largely Muslim countries and embraced progressive policies on the environment and diversity that Trump spent four years blocking.

Biden also reversed several of Trump's attempts to withdraw from international agreements, beginning the process of rejoining the Paris climate accord and halting the United States' departure from the World Health Organization -- where Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's top infectious disease expert, will lead the US delegation.

His first action was to impose a mask mandate on federal property, a break in approach to dealing with the pandemic from Trump, who repeatedly downplayed the virus. Biden also installed a coronavirus response coordinator to oversee the White House's efforts to distribute vaccines and medical supplies.

Press secretary Jen Psaki and other top Biden officials had told reporters on the eve of his inauguration that the first-day actions are only part of what will be a series of moves to undo Trump policies and implement Biden's campaign promises in his first weeks in office.

He plans to follow Inauguration Day by centering each day of January on a specific theme, according to a draft of a calendar document sent to administration allies and viewed by CNN.

Thursday, Biden's first full day in office, will be focused on the coronavirus pandemic, and Friday will highlight Biden's push for economic relief -- including executive orders restoring federal employees' collective bargaining rights and directing agency action on safety net programs, including Medicaid and unemployment insurance.

The themes next week will be "Buy American," with a Monday executive order beefing up requirements for government purchases of goods and services from US companies; equity on Tuesday, coupled with a push to eliminate private prisons; climate on Wednesday with an executive order kicking off regulatory actions reestablishing the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology and combating climate change; health care on Thursday, a day on which Biden will rescind the so-called Mexico City Policy blocking federal funding for non-governmental organizations that provide abortion services; and immigration on Friday, when Biden plans to sign executive orders focused on border processing and refugee policies and establish a family reunification task force.

February will focus on what's identified in the calendar document as "restoring America's place in the world."

12 hours ago, skaro said:

 

I was talking more about two-party systems, where the two parties aren't essentially much different from one another, in effect, and just compete for the middle ground where the votes are.  

A see-saw that doesn't actually see-saw much... and hovers around 53-47 or closer much of the time.

UK maybe not so much right now... but the US pre-Trump for a good stretch was I reckon.

 

(Woolies and Coles type thing - with the Greens as Aldi maybe!)

 

 

Aye fair point John.

As you state there is a problem with the see saw where there is such little activity one body can become quite bloated compared to the other - whether through just means, misinformation, media manipulation, boundary changes etc, and it's not a major problem until the fat bastard moves further from the centre and the see saw swings like a mother fucker.

So I think a see-saw is always gonna be a bad way to maintain a political centrism approach.

Even if you look back at the UK 2010 election, the Liberal's most natural bedfellows would always have been new labour with their fiscal policies more closely aligned than under say a Corbyn / McDonnell govt, along with more shared  values on liberal lifestyle, but they jumped onto the other end of the see saw thinking they would gain more leverage from tories who had already Bega moving away from the centre ground, this led to the Liberals then going that swing away from centre Clegg and Swinson could quite easily have been moderate tory cabinet members.

10 hours ago, skaro said:

 

I'm fine with centrism in theory.  As you say, it should work for all.

And yes, broad agreement, Bruce.

But I think "the political class" (centrists) - up until your Brexits and your Trumps - didn't actually give a shit about "everyman", but only the blancmange middle class, themselves and power.

It's taken a loon like Trump - hardly the political class - to identify and highlight the self-serving indifference of "centrism" and weaponise the "Everyman".

 

That's why what Biden does now is so important.

If he merely gets things "back to normal" - which I think is all he's capable of and all the standard two-party duopolist is interested in - that will just set it all up for the disaffected, disillusioned "Trump" cycle to repeat itself.

 

The outlook is not good, whichever way I look at it.

 

 

2 party systems will

never grant centrism, it just gives a see saw effect. If you want true centrism, you need multiple parties, to pull in competing directions making and breaking ties on policy. 
talks of centrism in the uk or us is bollocks. Even over here in Aus, the Labour Party is too big for the liberals or nationals to

 compete on their own, so they have a permanent coalition and we have a 2 party system with the odd few independents, shit balances a bit more than the UK, but it’s not centrism.

13 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/16/if-trump-looks-like-a-fascist-and-acts-like-a-fascist-then-maybe-he-is-one

 

’Assurances that “fascism couldn’t happen here” are always appealing in Anglo-Saxon countries that think themselves immune because “it” never did. The US and UK did not experience rule by Nazism or communism in the 20th century and the ignorance our lucky histories fostered has weakened our defences in the 21st.

 

Even after all that has happened in Washington, apparently serious voices insist we cannot compare Donald Trump to any variety of fascist. Conservatives habitually say that liberals call everything they don’t like fascist, forgetting that the moral of Aesop’s fable was that the boy who cried wolf was right in the end. They used to chortle about “Trump derangement syndrome” that spreads in stages like cancer until sufferers “cannot distinguish fantasy from reality”. They have bitten their tongues now that the reality of Trumpism is deranged mobs trying to overthrow democracy.

 

Their silence was broken last week by the historian of Nazism, Richard Evans, who with the effortless ability to miss every point a professorship at Cambridge bestows, decided now was the moment to denounce his colleagues, Timothy Snyder and Sarah Churchwell. They might compare the Trump and fascist movements but “few who have described Trump as a fascist can be called real experts in the field”, he wrote in the New Statesman with an audible sniff. “Genuine specialists”, such as, and since you asked, himself, “agree that whatever else he is, Trump is not a fascist”.

Before we get to why the argument matters, I should say the New Statesman needs to expand its fact-checking department. Snyder, whose work on how democracies turn into dictatorships is essential reading, does not say that the Trump movement is “fascist”. He writes that “post-truth is pre-fascism and Trump has been our post-truth president”. Churchwell’s astonishing studies of how German Nazis and American white supremacists fed off each other are a revelation. (And I come from the old left and thought I had learned about everything that was rotten with America at my mother’s knee.) When asked, she says she too is careful and characterises the Trump movement as “neo-fascist”.

 

The use of “fascism” in political debate is both a call to arms and a declaration of war. For once you say you are fighting fascism there can be no retreat. By talking of “pre-fascism” or “neo-fascism”, you acknowledge that the F-word is not a bomb you should detonate lightly; you also acknowledge the gravity of the times.

The alternatives look like the euphemisms of formerly safe societies that, like Caliban, cannot bear to see their face in the mirror. The Trump leadership cult, the attacks on any source of information the leader does not authorise, the racist conspiracy theories, the servile media that amplify the leader’s lies are not “conservative” in any understanding of the term. How about populist? If it means anything today, populism is supporting the people against the elite. But what could be more elitist than denying the result of the people’s vote with the big lie, the Joseph Goebbels lie, that Trump won the election he lost and then inciting brainwashed followers to storm democratic institutions? Followers, I should add, who included men dressed in “Camp Auschwitz” T-shirts and waving Confederate flags and wannabe stormtroopers crying “sieg heil!” and “total negro death”. “Far right” and “extreme right” are no help. They are just polite ways of saying neo-fascist.

In his The Anatomy of Fascism, Robert Paxton, the pre-eminent authority on its ideology, wrote that the Ku Klux Klan in 1867 rather than Mussolini’s squadristi in 1920 could be seen as the first fascist movement. As with the Nazi party, the embittered officers of a defeated army formed the Klan. They mourned the defeat of the Confederacy and did not accept the legitimacy of the US government. They had uniforms, white robes rather than leather jackets, the fantasies of racial supremacy and deployed terror to maintain the subjugation of African Americans. Last week, police sources told the Washington Post they were shocked to see “former law enforcement and military personnel as well as senior business executives” among the Washington mob. If they had known the history of military and bourgeois support for fascism, they would have been less surprised. It isn’t always powered by “the left behind”.

 

Paxton said last week that he had “resisted for a long time applying the fascist label to Donald J Trump”, but Trump’s incitement of the invasion of the Capitol “removes my objection to the fascist label”.

Republicans fear assassination if they vote to impeach Trump. Rupert Murdoch’s broadcasters are delivering barely veiled threats of violent insurrection if the Democrats pursue impeachment. “We see what’s happening around this country, how 50 state houses are being threatened on Inauguration Day,” warned one. “This is the last thing you want to do.” 

I can see three objections to calling a large section of the Republican party pre-fascist. The first can be dismissed with a flick of the fingers as it comes from a self-interested right that has to pretend it is not in the grip of a deep sickness – and not only in the United States. The second is the old soothing “it can’t happen here” exceptionalism of the Anglo-Saxon west, which has yet to learn that the US and UK are exceptional in the 21st century for all the wrong reasons. The third sounds intelligent but is the dumbest of all. You should not call Trump or any other leader a pre- or neo-fascist or any kind of fascist until he has gone the whole hog and transformed his society into a totalitarian war machine.

 

The example of the stages of cancer, so beloved by believers in Trump derangement syndrome, explains the stupidity. Imagine you are a doctor looking at pre-cancerous cells or an early-stage cancer that has not grown deeply into tissue. The door bursts open and a chorus of Fox Newspresenters and Cambridge dons cry that “real experts in the field” agree that on no account should you call it cancer until it has metastasised and spread through the whole body. A competent doctor would insist on calling a fatal disease by its real name and not leave treatment until it was too late to stop it. So should you.’

 

 

 

 

The biggest stumbling point comes early, “the Anglo-Saxon west”, obviously the saxons themselves were an early Germanic tribe, so doubtless still retain an hereditary influence in Germany should they do so in the UK.

also, how many Germanic immigrants to the US since settlers arrived from Europe? I mean Donny fucking Drumpf get fucks sake.

Sandcastle argument to start with.

13 hours ago, Mook said:

Trying to find a millionaire who isn't would be difficult. Size? are owned by JD Sports.

Fair point, but fuck ASOS

After a heavy day on the efes, I was trying to take a couple of cans Amstel malt into the attaturk, until someone pointed out it was alcohol free.

fuck alcohol free spirits though.

I had 18 weeks off the ale in one go last year. Think it’s easier to just go without than fuck about with alcohol free.

2 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Actual headlines from the Epoch Times include:

 

• Headline: "Space Aliens Live Quietly Among Us, Say Some Scientists and Officials"^[288]
• Headline: "Expert in Chinese Petroglyphs Supports Theory Ancient Chinese Made It to America"^[289]
• Headline: "Woman Has Near-Death Experience, Sees 'Hell,' and Comes Back a Better Person"^[290]
• Headline: "Supernormal Abilities Developed Through Meditation: Dr. Dean Radin Discusses"^[291]
• Headline: "5 Best UFO Sightings This Week: March 7-14 (+Photos +Videos)"^[292]
• Headline: "Nervous-System Damage From the Sky: 'Chemtrails' rain aluminum nanoparticles on man, beast, and land."^[293]
• Headline: "3-Year-Old Remembers Past Life as Snake? Gives Verified Details of Encounter With Hunter"^[294]

^{https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fake_news#Epoch_Times}

We had a copy of the epoch times stuck in the mailbox (suspect @skaro or @Hades had been in the neighbourhood).

I had no idea what it was but thought, I’ll have a read at some

point, it hung around the flat for a few weeks, then I picked it up on a trip to the dunny and nearly fell off the throne when I realised what it was.

Dunno who runs size but the ASOS fella is a Tory donating gobshite

12 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

This is why I would look to break these companies up. You've hit the nail on the head. I honestly think the governments actually like what they do. They've built the greatest surveillance system the world has ever seen and got us all to volunteer to be survielled. Just look at last week at the Capitol. Within 24 hours the key players were identified and named. But not by the police of FBI, they were still appealing for help. They were all called out by social media. Because they know where we all are. They have our faces and can perform quick facial recognition. They've a platform with most of the world on, so you almost get access to an "informant" network of billions. The thing is, everyone is made up when it's cunts doing what they did last week. But what if this had gone the other way? What if these platforms were pro-trump, what if he'd managed to get Pence to do what he wanted and in effect implemented a coup by rejecting the certified votes? Then when there would rightly be opposition, they can stop it in a heart beat because they know who everyone is, where they are, so police services can stop any protest before it even begins. It's actually quite frightening where we are with these tech companies. I don't know how we roll it back though. 

I think when you look at the political leaders of the right, they are happy to trample on as many of those beneath them as it takes to get as high up the chain as possible.

but they are definitely the tail and not the dog, and no matter what they think is happening the dogs are in control, they are happy for the tails to thi me they are, but look at the example of Murdoch over the years, and as you state the platform Granted to Trump, which has now been whipped away.

the centre seem most concerned with maintaining a status quo that gets steadily worse year on year, like mr barraclough trying to keep order in HMP Slade.

The level of power the tech companies (or rather their investors) now wield, goes back to the old days of the Rockefeller’s Rothschilds et al, but now as well as having vast sums of financial wealth with which to influence, they have the data and knowledge via machine

learning and predictability with which to influence people at the individual level, that it seems to be game over.

how we get away from this I have no idea, I’m not sure regulation can happen unless the tech giants want it, and that would be turkey’s voting for Christmas.

19 minutes ago, skaro said:

 

We have everything arse-about in dealing with societal problems.

Instead of starting things like equality and diversity at the bottom - you know, equal wages for men and women etc, making it entrenched from the minute you enter the workforce - instead we get a celebrity woman on $1.5m a year in the media complaining that her male compere gets $1.8million a year.  

Yeah, that debate really helps grass roots society.

 

Other than blame or abuse, or worse, just being patronised, the bottom never gets a look in or a leg-up so they can at least see what's going on, rather than make bad, uninformed guesses... while all the while the top craps on about elite, superficial, privileged, 1st world injustices.

 

I'm appreciating your points here, Cev, even though I'm doing a very bad, inarticulate job of it.

 

 

 

 

Haha all good John, as you say it’s upside down and as long as it continues so, this shit will happen.

we have to hope for some kind of benign dictatorship along the lines of the Jedi council.

Working capacity requirements are going down yearly (for the bullshit jobs anyway), ML is slowly infiltrating the arts, UBI has to come at some point, I half think there are a few at the top who want to see the global population reduced via global warming, which is behind the big money end of times safety shacks in NZ.

only time will tell.

14 hours ago, mattyq said:

I've been saying this for some time

That guy just gets it

Is it any coincidence that women were first given the vote in 1918 which just so happened to be the same year as the last global pandemic?

Also, in 1918 we still had a massive fuck off Empire and with women being given the vote that's all been thrown away

Some women, think in 1918 you still had to own a house or some strange shit to be enfranchised. So a bit like how liberals and the Tories would like to have things again.

Less of the uneducated and unwashed getting their votes wrong.

(I get that yer post was a piss take but it underpins an important point)

13 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

I don't disagree something needs to be done. They don't just have a dominant position in a certain part of tech, they pretty much dominate that, our online retailing (which on this pandemic means retailing), our communication systems and they know where we are and what we're up to 24/7. I would break them all up. But it will need global cooperation to do this. We also need to consider how these "soft" products are taxed. 

You still would though wouldn't you? 

Fully agree, the people behind these companies, especially the post millennium one, are so heavily diversified, with fingers in so many pies. 
Paypal gave us Musk & Thiel, consider what each of those is into, Musk seems the less nefarious at the minute, but both are of a clear libertarian bent, Thiel is clearly pursuing this through Palantir, he was also one of the 1st investors to Facebook.

FaceBook as previously stated has workplace so it can monitor us dusk till dawn, even to the point of switching from workplace to FB/Instagram/WhatsApp when you go take a shite at work, if you are invested in the system they can track you around the clock.

Every time some new platform arrives these bastards try to buy them, and due to the costs involved - no-one outside of the mega technocrats can afford them.

people are also so reluctant to change platforms, even when you clearly state the problem and possible solutions to them.

The need for a global solution, I think will only one when you have major blocs such as the EU or US making progressive changes. Problem with this is the people most heavily invested, will do what ever they can to prevent this, and I think part of the Brexit deal was definitely with regards to tracking and seriously disincentivising offshore accounting, rather than setting low slap-on-the-wrist non-punitive fines that are then built into the financial planning of the firms breaking the rules.

Bow your greater industry knowledge on this shit.

and yes, the Swede, mosdef, yes.

18 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

But this is why we're in this mess, because we give all opinions equal weight.

who is giving all opinions equal weight?

This is certainly not my point, my point is that the individuals who believe the Q stuff, the trump stuff, the shit that has been supported by the senators and other representatives who are in on the gig, the people at the bottom end, the ones being whipped into a frenzy, they have an inarguable belief that what they are following is true and everything you throw at them as proof, one of them (whether from the top or bottom) will come up with reason of why that supports their theory.

Have a listen to this interview: https://www.podbean.com/eu/pb-xke2g-f70151 Jarlath Regan with Marion McKeone a journalist  based over there, she tells of how the teachers down to the kids in schools are so heavily indoctrinated into this shit.

Just telling them it's bollocks won't work -  we have a great example of this - religion.

18 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

One side saying: "the world is run by a satanic ring of paedophiles and president trump is fighting back, but to undermine him the election was rigged."

 

And the other side saying:

 

"That's not true".

 

Is not a discussion. 

 

The people who support actions like what was seen on capitol Hill are extremists and should be treated as such, the venom that feeds them should be cut off at the source by any means necessary. People have got years in jail over here for sharing Jihadi content, what's the difference?

Fully agree, they need to be duly processed, but it shouldn't just be the idiots on the floor, it needs to hit the whole of the chain, otherwise it's a fucking sham, people will see it as a sham, and it will continue to feed their narrative(s) no mater how utterly ridiculous they may seem. 

18 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

None of these people just popped into view. They've been around for decades. There's always been an undercurrent of disaffected in the US, from the very first biker gangs that were started after World War two by people who didn't want to be part of society because of their experiences in combat, to fringe religious groups, survivalists and people in the deep south who still think the confederacy should have won. There's a historic of domestic terrorism with anti government people actually planting bombs (Timothy McVeigh I "think" was in that category.)

 

These clowns have always been a potential danger and had whole divisions of FBI assigned to track them.

 

The problem now is you've got a president and a fringe media infrastructure that's established a way of making money out of stoking these people's hate and mentalism. That's a direct threat to the country. If one of these clowns got their hands on a nuclear bomb would anyone be shocked or surprised to see Washington go up in smoke? Probably not, and that's fucked up. Fuckers need purging, as does everyone who enables them.

the problem now, is the same as the problem 30 years ago, most people have had their news fed to them via old media, even online - BBC, Daily Heil, News Corp etc are the most popular sources of info, these have been setting the tone over time that enable the fringe media.

Something as simple as this from well known conservative journalist investigating anti-semitism allegations against Corbyn Labour - no British media will pick it up - yeah keep going on about Corbyn, but it's fundamental to the argument about power in the west - that it is always loaded in favour of those wielding power, rather than what benefits the general public - the obfuscation of truth sits at the very top of the media pile, this level of misinformation enables those lower down fringe elements, as they can build on the lies and hate fulled by those further up.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/labour-antisemitism-forde-inquiry-leaked-report-what-happening

The purge needs to start at the top. not the bottom.

Regulate at the top and the bottom, if you just focus on the bottom, nothing will change and more bottom feeders will spring up.

Also look at the issues affecting the bottom, yeah they maybe a bit lower down the scale intelligence or education wise, but just shouting the thick fuckers should just understand the truth doesn't work, it's a shit approach, communication is 2 way, some of the stuff that Ashli bird was talking about were financial issues, similar things affected a lot of Brexit voters - look to fix them.

3 hours ago, Lee909 said:

It's a load of fucking bollocks. Nobody is stopping them talking, Trump can talk any time he wants as can the senators. All the need to do is have a press conference. But they won't, because they can't spout their shite without it being questioned. 

because the TV and Press are regulated, whereas online media is not.