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And then do what?

Revive the YTS as a cynical attempt to massage youth unemployment.

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so I don't think allegations of naked self-interest hold up. Besides, I think fair political representation is in all of our interests.

I accept that you believe that, that the Libs pushing Blair and Cameron isn't out of self-interest but is 'in all our interests' (even tho we've rejected it at a referendum). That's how people like you work! Your ego is so out of whack that it will do whatever it can to protect itself. And people with a messed up ego can do these mental gymnastics to convince themselves they're awesome, when really, they're just douchebags!

He had a massive mandate. He could have done anything. I'm still waiting for the electoral reform I was promised in the 1997 Labour manifesto. At least we had an excuse for breaking our policies.

Wasn't PR rejected by Lloyd George, and only adopted by the Libs in self-interest?

Blair is the apotheosis of. Utterly devoid of principle or remorse, where getting and retaining power is the overriding concern

Pots n kettles. This thread is you being a stereotypical opportunist.

Had he bowed out prior to Iraq his popularity would probably be quite something for a PM.

I'd have to go with Wu Lyf even tho they need to record in a studio next time.

Not heard much that isn't a band looking backwards for influence, and this 80s-soundinng electropop really pisses me off. Was disposable crap the first time round.

Jeez, can recall buying the IRS tapes in the 80s. Always loved 'Fall on Me'.

They shoulda stopped when Bill Berry left.

A postcard from Richey's neurosis. This is Yesterday is achingly beautiful.

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Vampyres.

Lesbians ago-go.

He's back with a new station launching soon, a downmarket Talksport clone.

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Police moonlighting by selling souvenir snaps.

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Yeah, there's nothing liberal about rioting because the government isn't giving you enough of my money.

Strange then that Cleggy predicted riots if a weak (and he and Cameron are an effing joke) government slashed services.

I remember that myself. I still did it though, came out with a C&G in electronic servicing. 2nd year YTS was on placement for 12 months at a heady £35 a week before being offered a full time place at £60 a week. It was shit slave labour but was still marginally better than signing on.

I did too as I was promised in the 2nd year I could start an engineering apprenticeship. But they fucked me off after 12 months and employed another YTS school-leaver.

I can understand them taking advantage but it left me fuming and disillusioned.

How do we pay for National Service when there's a cut in the defence budget?

The dole money still is shit,£50 a week for a single young adult is hardly a kings ransom is it?

No. I think when I was 16 the YTS was £28pw, dole was £45 a fortnight. Twas slave labour more or less.

Here we go again.

 

What good will baton rounds do? Possibly kill a few of them.

Probably cause the rioters to get firearms too.

The situation needs fucking defusing not ramping up.

Grew up in the 80s YTS era. Jobs were scarce as unemployment was running very high and I did spend a few months on the dole. Country was fairly broken as the miners strike was underway and the inner-cities weren't places you'd want to live. The big difference would be that the dole money (no tax credits or income support) was so low you had to find something, even if it was cash in hand. This week still comes as no surprise.

Belfast will kick off tomorrow, Glasgow will have a go too, its fucked

The country's fucked or hadn't you noticed.

 

Being poor and economics do not come into it.

This is true, there's unconfirmed reports of a chair being knocked over in Cheshire. Sky News claim the chair was wobbly before Cameron came to power.

Just loads of random places on fire in Croydon. What the fuck this is getting worse.

1981 all over again. Copycat riots will probably begin sporadically appearing in areas of social deprivation.