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I'm not going to mourn this announcement as we'll hopefully upgrade on Ayre.

 

And he got some things wrong. But, in the interests of fairness, I don't think he was THAT bad?

 

Big part in sorting out the commercial side of things, signed us some good players in Can, Firmino, Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho etc, secured us a genuinely world class manager in Klopp.

 

If you blame him for all the bad things, it's only fair to give him credit for the good things.

Ayre was backing that useless, arrogant tit Rodgers till the death and was part of appointing him and Hodgson and sacking Rafa. Him and Rodgers were a Pair of out of their depth fools who were fucking the club right up and couldn't believe their luck.

Whenever anything important needs doing (which often involves clearing up Ayre's mess) it's done in Boston.

"Be careful what you wish for". Hopefully gone before he was pushed for his latest crisis management shambles.

Is that the maggot jumping before he was pushed? His pathetic handling of another problem over the ticket prices, and underestimating the fans feelings, surely must have been the final straw for FSG with this muppet. 

I struggle to believe he'd leave his 7 figure salary, expenses and jollies to Florida entirely of his own accord. 

At our best under Rodgers that first half performance we could hit those sort of levels of the first half an hour, but that'd be it and we'd draw that 3-3 and just bottle it second half and run out of gas and ideas

We're getting that organisation where we're starting to see games out as well as play some great football.

Ron Vlaar on a free might be a shout. He's been captain at clubs so presumably a leader, will add much needed depth to centre back. He's at least as good as Lovren and better than Toure at this point.

Seen him linked with Everton and Milan today.

Why couldn't he make the Brazil squad for the World Cup when they had Fred and Jo up front and the likes of Bernard playing? The current manager hasn't used him either despite average Brazilian league forwards regularly called up.

Defensive midfield (still only got Lucas), a better all-round goalkeeper and more depth at the back have to be the priority for us before next season. A striker as well if we cut our losses with Sturridge. 

I think we've got enough luxury players who can play attacking midfield and still have Markovic to come back. A bargain deal like Stoke with Bojan then fair enough but I wouldn't be paying decent money for him when there's other priorities. 

Honeslty think a lot of that is down to the lack of movement, support and showing for it in front of and around him.

 

He would be boss in say Arsenal's team for example with players moving, playing 1-2's and showing for it in dangerous areas/quick interplay.

 

He gets it here, everthing is slow and static and so he ends up having a dig

He needs Sturridge, Firmino and Henderson around or ahead of him. 

Hodged then Rodgered - we are lucky we can still walk.

Hodgson was here 5 minutes. The shambles he left was easily undone. We just bombed Konckesy and Poulsen overnight and played proper football again the rest of that season. It was just a wasted season because of that appointment. Klopp would find it a lot easier coming in half way through 10/11 than now.

It's not just Rodgers. The transfer policy has been horrific and it's left us with a mess of a squad and Rodgers loaning out players who'd be useful now hasn't helped. 

How can you end up with two full backs in the squad, one decent centre half (who the fucking idiot bombed out for Lovren the leader), one defensive midfielder who's half crocked, one winger who's a raw teenager, a midfield with no pace in it, but loads of expensive number 10s ? Good look sorting that shit out.

FSG gave Rodgers enough rope to hang himself with in the summer, consciously or not knowing he'd make a  mess of things. But that's set us back a lot further than if he'd been fucked off in the summer, even though it's allowed us to get the right manager in it's put us a year or two further behind. For example, if De Boer came in last summer and was given that money to spend we'd be in a better place now and ergo maybe next season as well. If given enough time then there's a higher ceiling under Klopp eventually than under any other manager we could have got in the summer. It just makes Klopp's job that much more difficult that Rodgers was allowed to create more  mess.

I did think Rubin were a better outfit on the night than Sion and well organised. Sion looked a shambles at the back and we should have filled our boots. 

We should have been beating both teams though with strong teams out, it's a joke how bad we've got in Europe. 

I think the most important thing in the Premier League is your strikers. The most important thing in Europe is often your midfield and ours just isn't up to scratch. Every year we've needed big investment in the midfield only for Rodgers to go out and insist on more number 10s. We're so one paced in there and it's a joke how much we still rely on Lucas. 

I think it's going to take Klopp a couple of years to turn around the shambles he's been left with by Rodgers and the committee. It's not that bad a squad in terms of quality, but it's so unbalanced. Rodgers had us stocked full of number 10s and luxury players at the expense of other things.

The midfield has been neglected since Alonso and Mascherano left and amplified when Gerrard's legs went. Replacing Gerrard with Milner (to play CM) was the final insult. We have a squad lacking brains, nouse, character and leadership.  

It's going to take 2 or 3 windows just to have a balanced squad. FSG will have to be patient with Klopp after the mess their stupid decisions and their appointments (conned by dossiers) have created. The fans will as well.

Our lack of quality is down to the mediocre and unbalanced squad Rodgers has built - mediocre footballers play mediocre football and of course it is gonna take a while to sort that. But for me the thing is their attitude - they are just so timid and it shows how meek they are that they don't appear fired up and full of spirit.

 

It is a reflection on their characters and the lack of leaders and I hope Klopp is tearing them apart over it and continues to do so until they stop being like it and jibs those who just havent got the bollocks for it.

Well that Fraud stripped the squad of all its leaders and never bought any (despite all the bluster over Lovren). Over the next few transfer windows this needs sorting as well as reshaping a terribly unbalanced squad.

Only our players could make a Klopp team look nothing like a Klopp team.

 

Where is the pace, the running, the pressing in packs - we really are a timid team with no leadership on the park and it would seem they aren't really fired up....i just can't see where the response is to the managers way and his demeanour - we look just as timid as always.

 

Klopp needs to tear into them and get them doing the things he surely expects.

We've been completely clueless in Europe for over 3 years under Rodgers. We can't just change that in 45 minutes. 

Dare I say it but Rossiter would have been ideal today. He'd have put a real shift in and fired things up, in the absence of Henderson, but England fucked that up.

Milner's a poor man's Kuyt and Origi is not a Liverpool striker. We're missing too many key players and need the January window to do the business we didn't do in the summer.

Klopp will sort us out in time.

It's a ridiculously unbalanced squad that's been assembled so it's going to take a few transfer windows (with a manager with an actual eye for talent) before we can really push on. 

In the meantime we have to make do with a one paced midfield. 

I think Chelsea were controlling it to be honest. Parking the bus and letting us punch ourselves out. Mourinho knew exactly how we would play and Rodgers didn't disappoint.  He backed his defense against our attack and he was right. 

It was nervy but attacking the Kop end in the second half at 0-0 and I think we'd have gone on to win, but it was never going to finish 0-0 because we didn't have it in us. We were either going to win or lose. Gerrard shouldn't have been the last man in that situation.

The worst thing was the total bottle job in the second half. Blind panic and not a decent chance created. We also bottled the second half against Norwich and Man City in the previous games and got away with it and then against Palace. Once we were in the driving seat we just bottled it. We were okay when we were chasing City down.

Ah, the 'what if' scenario.

 

But the real question is why people like you should expect the team to approach that game any different to the previous 10? No one before or at the game was saying its chelsea lets play for a draw. Everyone including me said let's fucking get at them and blow them away.

 

But then if we'd have played for a draw and stevie still slips, or they scored the winner in the last minute breakaway, cunts like you would say why didnt we play like we did in the previous 10 games?

 

in other words cunts want it both ways and want hindsight as their lovechild.

 Atkinson's inability to stop the timewasting of Chelsea still grates me though...

We only needed to draw.

The best football is football that wins you trophies. We're not the Harlem Globetrotters. If we can win trophies like Kenny's first team did then all the better, but that team could defend and control a midfield as well as attack. 

It was an exciting season but it's one we'll always look back on with regret more than fondness because however unlikely in August we should have won that league and fucked it up due to ultimately flawed all-out-attack tactics.

We were better overall in 08/09 but we couldn't get Gerrard and Torres both on the pitch enough, whereas Suarez and Sturridge started most games. A top class United side pipped us to the post as well.

Entertaining football without success, actual success, is no good unless you're Newcastle or West Ham or someone. Liverpool have always been about actually winning things and not being turned into 90s Newcastle or Roy Evans' 90s Liverpool who'll entertain neutrals but bottle it when the chance of trophies present themselves.

13/14 would have been epic IF we won the league, but I just remember a nightmare now of blowing it, losing the key to it all in Suarez and then making a complete hash of the CL money (Lovren/Lambert/Lallana FFS) and the tournament itself that were all we had to show for that season.

It was a team with a devastating attack but terrible defensive set up, zero midfield control and would always concede under pressure. No team has won the Premier League (or the first division that I can remember) when it can't defend. We just proved to be another Newcastle that got close and will always regret blowing it because we couldn't adapt our game. The less said about the rest of his time here the better. 

We can move forwards under Klopp and the ego can take his dossiers and work experience to some mid-table shite and bullsht them for the next few years. 

It was an extreme version of Keegan's Newcastle. Entertaining but ultimately flawed. The club is about winning things.

Sad because now that he proved himself to not be that manager, we’ve got to tear it up and start again. We're as far away as ever.

We were tearing it up and starting again every year with Rodgers anyway. As he said the other day "It's another rebuilding process". A different style of play every year and a different formation every few months and loads of ins and outs every year, most signings quickly written off every year and a new coaching staff this season. 

We were at year zero anyway just for keeping him.

Hope Lovren fits in his suitcase.

Lovren, Allen, Lallana, Milner, Achterberg, O'Dismal will all be crying tonight. Most of the rest will probably be happy. 

Although Milner out wide will actually look like a footballer and Allen or Lallana in a structured midfield will look okay.

Would have left with more dignity in the summer if he didn't throw his own staff under the bus to keep his job and then the embarrassing arrogant shit he's come out with lately. 

Doubt Pascoe and Marsh will feel any sympathy and they didn't walk away with multi millions either. He only got the job based on bullshit (that fucking dossier). Needs to go back to a well run middle table club who'll be glad to put up with him.

FSG have listen to the fans apparently. #Klopp to change things internally. #LFC #CommiteeStay

 

BREAKING: @LFC have no plans to appoint a caretaker manager (Sky Sources) #SSNHQ

 

 

Like the idea of Hyypia back at the club. Give the man a shirt he will still be better than our CBs

Klopp with Hyypia would be great.

Surely it'll be cheap to get rid of O'Dismal, given he was just appointed as Rodgers' mate. Not sure about Gary Mac. Hopefully doing it now with 2 weeks till the next game gives the chance for the clean sweep. 

I said in the summer Rodgers should make the most of his stay of execution by getting a top coach like Meulensteen or Pako to work with. The minute he appointed O'Driscoll as his assistant he signed his own obit. 

Just need Ayre and Gordon to fuck off out of it now and with the right appointments we might be Liverpool again. FSG's last chance saloon now to do things properly.

Rodgers away record to the top 4 and Everton.

 

Played 18

Won 1

Drawn 9

Lost 8

The win being against a David Moyes team that finished 7th.

Spot on. We as fans are in love with the notion that we'll take this promising young manager and watch him become a legendary elder statesman over 25 years of successful management at Liverpool. It just won't ever happen again. Could have been Rafa but we'll never know. We ruin managers the same way we ruin promising yet ultimately average players. Most of them shouldn't have been here in the first place and the ones who had a chance are in the wrong environment to succeed.

 

If we can get 3-5 good years out of the next guy then we will have done well.

It's pie in the sky. Look at Guardiola. Barca's most successful manager. He was there 4 seasons. Mourinho's never lasted 4 seasons anywhere. 

Van Gaal will manage United for probably three seasons but he'll lay a lot of foundations for the next manager, rather than leave a mess behind him. United made that mistake giving Moyes a 6 year contract. He's shit anyway but it was naive to think the next manager would have such a long term impact.

Wenger's the current exception but Arsenal have been treading water for a decade and he's only got away with it due to his ability to get an annual top 4 finish and the titles already behind him.

The method these days is to get the right continuity in place so the next manager can carry on where the last one left off (i.e.Swansea or Southampton now on a smaller scale). Isn't that what we had in the 80s? Then it all got ripped up under Souness.

There's  a school of thought that you need a manager who's 40-45 now rather than 60-65, but if you go by the 5 year shelf-life these days then why exclude someone that age? Appointing Rodgers over Van Gaal will define FSG.