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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

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    What a complete load of bollocks.

     

    Despite the media brainwashing of the country that right wing is the only way for a government to operate and despite the only credible left wing party being completely infiltrated by right wing people posing as the left for decades Corbyn has the Labour Party in the best position it’s been in years.

     

    As a left wing person for the majority of my voting life I’ve felt probably the same way the majority of other left wing people have felt. Completely and utterly helpless. Labour move right and occupy the Tory space and the tories move further right because well they aren’t going to move left are they.

     

    How do you effect this though? Join the Labour Party? What good does that do? It’s a closed shop for all the right wing mates of Tony Blair that went to Oxford and Cambridge or long term members of the party who have licked arse hole of every person in power around them to get on the gravy train themselves. The whole thing fucking stunk and it still does and will until Corbyn and momentum reform the party so that not one group of elites right or left run the party top down.

     

    People talk about the left seeing Corbyn as a messiah etc and it’s wrong. Well can you blame them? What say have any of these people had in the direction of the country until Corbyn came along. There’s hundreds of thousands of them joining the Labour Party because there’s a sniff that their say might actually have an impact. We then get people like you who either fall for the anti Semitic nonsense or you can actually see full well what the right wing media/politicians are up to and are happy to go along with it.

     

    You think getting Corbyn to quit is going to make everything great again. May as well go all the way and get Blair back in. If Corbyn goes before the reform of the party then that will be the end of it. The country will be run as it has been since parliament was introduced as some fake democracy. Everything is a joke. The same people are voted in doing the same shit and everyone sits there and whinges about it. A few generations down the line there will be no NHS, tolls on all the roads, privatised education and seals like you will be fucking lapping it up. As long as we don’t have the fucking commies in eh?

     

    Everyone loves blaming Cameron for Brexit but all these fucking right wing MP’s in the Labour Party need to look at themselves. If they hadn’t all shifted the party position to the right then the Tories would not have been able to be as right wing as they are now and we would never have seen a referendum on it to appease all the cunts in the Tory Party because they wouldn’t have risked not getting voted in again and having to put up with a genuine left wing govt.

    There’s so much contradiction in the post that will take some time to unpick.

     

    All I will say is this:

     

    “Everyone loves blaming Cameron for Brexit but all these fucking right wing MP’s in the Labour Party need to look at themselves. If they hadn’t all shifted the party position to the right then the Tories would not have been able to be as right wing as they are now and we would never have seen a referendum on it to appease all the cunts in the Tory Party because they wouldn’t have risked not getting voted in again and having to put up with a genuine left wing govt”

     

    If what you say is true? Then why isn’t Corbyn stopping this rather than aiding Brexit?

     

     

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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

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    He may not be an anti Semite.

     

    He clearly isn't

     

    But he’s been in the presence of them and said nothing.

     

    He’s enabling, which is, just as bad.

     

    Nonsense. He's trying to engage on a sensible level but the people peddling these attacks won't allow it.

     

    There are those on here who will fundamentally disagree with me. Will say I’ve been brainwashed by the MSM.

     

    Not brainwashed. Just from the right of the party.

     

    But I’ve knocked countless doors and ran for local government. That’s not me saying I’m a bigger member than you lot, not at all.

     

    But I take what I see and hear from the people I engage on behalf of the party.

     

    Corbyn isn’t popular in the eyes of electorate. It’s not a conspiracy drummed up by the press. He just isn’t.

     

    Perhaps not a conspiracy, but anyone who can't recognise the cyclical nature and pile on by an almost exclusively right-owned media clearly has blinkers on. This isn't about Corbyn, it's about the fear of socialism gaining a proper foothold in British politics.

     

    He’s not popular where it counts, in the marginals.

     

    As the UKIP win in Stoke will attest... ...oh, wait.

     

    Yes I do the remember the election result. But if he couldn’t shift possibly the most incompetent Tory government in a generation. Then what’s next?

     

    You Blairites still peddling this shite? He was supposed to lose by an epic 110 seat margin wasn't he? Snap election. Almost all media against him. Sabotage from some of his own MPs. And McNicol and party HQ working against him. Talk about shifting goalposts. This argument is shifting the fucking stadium.

     

    Corbyns back ground is shady. He comes from a very privileged back ground and not the working class upbringing his most ardent supporters will have you believe.

     

    Shady? He's a security-vetted member of the Privy Council.

     

    His politics have divided the party. Yes I agree some in party haven’t been that welcoming to him and have been awkward. However he’s not actually held out the olive branch to these people.

     

    He has. And all they've done is sharpen it and repeatedly try to stab him and anyone who supports him with it with lies, briefings to journalists, and at local level by attampting to lock members our of CLP votes, and lies about pro-Corbyn members and untrue complaints about them.

     

    I haven’t even mentioned his stance on Brexit.

     

    It’s a shame that it’s come to this because despite all this i wanted to believe I really did.

     

    I seriously doubt it.

     

    It reminds me of when a team in red employed an Owl as a manger.

     

    We all wanted it to work out but in the end he needed to go.

     

    Same here now.

     

     

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    I stopped reading after “right of the party”.

     

    It’s disingenuous to suggest that anyone who disagrees with Corbyn and his supporters are immediately “Blairite”

     

    In fact it’s massively inaccurate and hugely immature.

     

    I’m socialist and that why I’m a Labour member. Simple as.

     

    I’m not more socialist than you and you’re not more socialist than me. We are all left of centre. We all (I hope) hate the Tories and disagree with the nationalist. That’s why we vote Labour.

     

    I look at our leadership and I just can’t see how it can surpass the last election and create a government. That’s why I’m unhappy, in fact there’s a lot of things that leave me feeling unhappy with the current direction of the party.

     

    I’m not leaving the party, il still knock doors and hand out leaflets.The party is bigger than any individual.

     

    I’m willing to engage with those who respectfully disagree with me, but I won’t engage with those who try and pin any individual as left or right in a left leaning party. It’s pointless really. All the same at the end of the day.

     

     

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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

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    Firstly, ‘rife’ is a dramatic over exaggeration. Secondly, you do know this disgrace was a holocaust survivor having his say, right?

     

    It needs dealing with, and I don’t think Corbyn is doing a good job of that, but he’s not some anti-Semite spreading hate.

    He may not be an anti Semite.

     

    But he’s been in the presence of them and said nothing.

     

    He’s enabling, which is, just as bad.

     

    There are those on here who will fundamentally disagree with me. Will say I’ve been brainwashed by the MSM.

     

    But I’ve knocked countless doors and ran for local government. That’s not me saying I’m a bigger member than you lot, not at all.

     

    But I take what I see and hear from the people I engage on behalf of the party.

     

    Corbyn isn’t popular in the eyes of electorate. It’s not a conspiracy drummed up by the press. He just isn’t.

     

    He’s not popular where it counts, in the marginals.

     

    Yes I do the remember the election result. But if he couldn’t shift possibly the most incompetent Tory government in a generation. Then what’s next?

     

    Corbyns back ground is shady. He comes from a very privileged back ground and not the working class upbringing his most ardent supporters will have you believe.

     

    His politics have divided the party. Yes I agree some in party haven’t been that welcoming to him and have been awkward. However he’s not actually held out the olive branch to these people.

     

    I haven’t even mentioned his stance on Brexit.

     

    It’s a shame that it’s come to this because despite all this i wanted to believe I really did.

     

    It reminds me of when a team in red employed an Owl as a manger.

     

    We all wanted it to work out but in the end he needed to go.

     

    Same here now.

     

     

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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

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    What’s the disgrace?

    The fact that the hard left of the party are more concerned in attacking Jews then Tories.

     

    Having spent time in the company of a couple of survivors of the holocaust I find this whole sorry episode horrible.

     

    I’ve witnessed anti semitism within in my own CLP. It’s not nice knowing this is rife in the party.

     

     

     

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    Local Politics

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    Full Labour Party member in a Labour seat both in Westminster and Cardiff.

     

    The council is run by Tories with no overall control and has been for 6 years. It’s fucking murder here.

     

    The local party is primarily centre left but with one or two corbyn fans.

     

    When I was door knocking during the council elections, vast majority thought labour ran the council and thought Corbyn was an idiot. Made the job of convincing people that local candidates couldn’t be further from Corbyns policies a lot harder.

     

    However during the general, despite being number 10 on the Tories hit list we sent the local Tory boy packing and grew our vote share.

     

    We had First Minister come up, along with other semi/top ministers door knocking.

     

    No one from Corbyns top team came up and Labour HQ gave us fuck all help in fighting the general. Came down to the hard work of local activist and the MP working his nuts off not just during the election but the years preceding it which staved off the Tory pretty boy.

     

    And for that reason alone I would suggest you get down the CLP and get active, because you and only you make the difference come elections.

     

     

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    The ‘Buy Nabil Fekir’ Campaign

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    We ballsed up VVD last year, through pissing Saints off.

     

    But this is different.

     

    Seems to me Lyon weren’t being forthcoming over his medical records and the medical threw up massive problems.

     

    We could either pay top dollar and get a lad who’ll spend most of his time in the medical room. Aka Aqualini mark 2.

     

    Or knock them down for being silly buggers

     

    Or just move on to someone else.

     

    It’s brinkmanship and Lyon have blinked first by saying it’s off.

     

     

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    Summer 2018 Transfer Thread

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    We’re not getting Dembele. This all stinks of an Agent rumour to get a better deal. We’re being used.

     

    It will be Fekir and a Keeper. Maybe a few cheap youngsters and that’s it for us.

     

    Expect Ming, Ings, Divock, Lallana and another to go.

     

     

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