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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

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    I'm not using it as a yardstick for anything. I'm using it as an example to try to establish whether you think it's legitimate for MPs to vote with their conscience if they disagree with the party leadership.

     

    If you thought the Iraq war was morally wrong, do you think that Labour MPs who also thought it morally wrong should have ignored their conscience and voted for it?

    There's a lot of revisionism when it comes to Iraq so it's difficult to shift through the bull shit. Apologies if you feel i was having a pop.

     

    Nothing wrong with MPs voting on conscience on issues. On such matters the Whip is often removed and a free vote occurs.

     

    However Corbyn was a serial rebel, not just on the odd vote or odd issue but almost always.

     

    Voting on free vote using your conscience is very very different to what Corbyn did which was the continuous obstruction to a Labour Government.

     

    Regardless of who ran that Labour Government, it changed a large section of UK society infinitely for the better.

     

    You only have to look at the city that most on here inhabit as proof of that.

     

    Looking back now how many on here would swap what we have now in 2016 for what we had in 2001 for example?

     

    Corbyn and his allies would have us believe that that Labour Government was root cause of all evil. Hence his rebellions from the back bench.

     

    Which is why I find bemusing when Corbyn's allies calling for MPs to support their leader when he was quick to give his Labour Government a good kick.

     

    The idea of Corbyn being a righteous man of Principle is frankly a load of bollocks, where was his principles when he went off with Tories to rebel?

     

    Where was his backing for his leader then?

     

    His die hard supporters don't see that though and I'm sure some on here will probably deride me as being Tory/Blairite/NeoLiberal etc etc for pointing it out.

     

    At the end of day I'm fucking sick of Tories ruining this country. The only way of stopping that is a Labour Government and under Corbyn it definitely will not happen.

     

    It might not happen under Smith granted but I'd daresay we'd have a better chance with than Corbyn.

     

    I'm a fucking socialist and proud of it but no one is bigger than the party, even fucking Blair stood down.

     

     

     

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    Huddersfield V Liverpool

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    Echo are saying Flannagan is weighing up a loan move to Burnley and that's why he's not involved.

    Fair enough I read on Twitter that both had knocks but if the echo are saying that then it must be legit.

     

     

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    Euro 2016 France

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    Once knew a girl from Iceland whilst I was in Uni.

     

    She was absolutely stunning with massive tits and was up for anything.

     

    However she was fucking mental and ended up getting deported.

     

    Country of extremes

     

     

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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

    in GF - General Forum

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    Who has called you a Blairite or Tory lite?

     

    Be honest, it's no-one isn't it?

     

    Why would anyone call you that if you're a fucking Socialist?

    "Why would anyone call you that if you're a fucking Socialist?"

     

    I know many labour members that have been called Blairite for criticising Corbyn.

     

    It's happened in this thread and others.

     

    It's a fucking pointless, we are all the same team but the hard left can't accept there are those who disagree with Corbyn. Same with the centre left.

     

    Hilary Benn, the son of Tony Benn called a Blairite for fuck sake. In his speech during the Syria vote he talked at length about socialist going off to fight Franco and how much he revered them for doing that.

     

    He disagree with Corbyn and his labelled.

     

     

     

     

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    Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

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    Play it safe and say you're a racist.

    These labels are all fucking ridiculous. I'm a socialist but because I think Corbyn is dire as a leader people feel it right to say I'm a fucking Blairite or Tory lite.

     

    FUCK OFF!!!

     

    I want a labour government, I'm sick of seeing the Tories rip this country apart and sick of seeing poor people bear the brunt of it all.

     

    But Corbyn can't achieve this for many reasons. There are a few in the party who could.

     

    But anyone taking over will be dubbed a Blairite. Bollocks to that shite!

     

    You join the Labour Party because you hate the Tories and believe in social justice and fairness. Not because your too left for the Tories.

     

    On the subject of Blair, I'm no lover but I'd happily take his government over the situation we have now!

     

    Minimum wage, more power the local councils, better public services, better schools.

     

    Fuck me lads them were the days!

     

     

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