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How could i forget about Whelan, he`s fuckin top cunt. I`ll never forget after Palace beat us in the FA Semi in 1990. That night i went out with the Mrs, well pissed off and sulking like fuck, used to get to me bad in them days. Anyway, ended up in his boozer, The Sportsman on Wessy Rd. He was in there, fuckin singing and dancing and having a right old laugh. I went up to him and give him a right mouthful and have hated him ever since!
Used to hate Lawro but a think he`s mellowed a little bit towards us recently
Whelan owned that gaff and a few more besides. Pissed me off when he was finally finished up by LFC and was in the Echo saying how we had left him unemployed. Twat of a man
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Result.
Can't help agreeing with you there nick. Not getting my hopes up though.
I hope you are right -but surely a temp appointment would have been made by now. As it seems they are looking for someone permanent, dont think its close
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Yes, but whatever happens is mostly out of our hands. I don't see the point in giving myself ulcers because of it. We all know that in the world of business that things change and can do so overnight. Whatever happens i'll be a fan until the end, long after the current owners, players and leaches have gone. Well God willing eh.
And I will be there til the end too. I just don't we should assume that just because they have said they want to sell that they will do. We know how hollow their words are.
Whilst they can see money in it they will hang on. They don't care whether we have good players or not.
If we were to be sold anytime soon they would have either stuck with Rafa ( let new owners sack him and pay him off) or they would have appointed a temp manager
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People just speculating and assuming.
Whilst I hope I'm wrong. There is nothing to suggest we are being sold, there are no buyers and the fact that they seem to be looking for a permanent appointment as Manager would suggest that they are going nowhere
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I've said for ages it's a smokescreen, they want the world to think they want to sell, hence the appointment of Broughton. They put a big price up, if someone is stupid enough to pay we will go.
If not, we will asset strip, get more refinance and hang on
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Did Purslow once say to SOS that there is a 3-4 year refinance package in place should they pay the debt down by £100m?
Well, IMO this is what they are now doing ie
make everyone think we are selling, sack Rafa, sell some players, pay down debt, hang on to club. Then when the stadium is built sell it for shed loads more
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Too many people have very short memories. Let's see how they feel with a yes man in charge next season. Yes Rafa did have faults but there are at least 3 people who should have gone way before him.
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What gives you the impression he could veto sales? I find that incredibly unlikely. Why would any club give the manager more power than the executive?
How do you square it with the stories that they were definitely going to leave if he stayed? The stories everyone believes depend on their agenda.
It's likely just press nonsense like the £16M clause and pretty much everything else that gets published about LFC. There's so much crap flying around that it all contradicts itself.
We're completely awash with propaganda. It's an information war, and the main casualty is our club.
Isn't it widely accepted that Rafa had complete control on transfers? This is something the anti-rafa brigade regularly used as a stick to beat him with. Surely that would also mean he could veto sales.
I'm of the belief that the stories of them staying if he went are properganda from our lovely CEO ( only my opinion ) There has been counter stories that the dressing room was much like any other
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sorry if posted earlier/elsewhere - just hope people who wanted Rafa out are happy that the one man that can veto sales has now gone
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sorry if posted earlier/elsewhere - just hope people who wanted Rafa out are happy that the one man that can veto sales has now gone
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Im sorry but do you agree with Benitez's tactics, selections and substitutions? If so then you are an idiot. Simple as that. Im judging him on his decisions, not transfer activity. He was too negative and he made horrible decisions. Taking off Torres for Ngog with 30 minutes left in a must win game at Birmingham? The final straw. Everyone knows Gerrard, Carra and Torres were fed up with it. You dont have to be a body language expert to see it
Look at the bigger picture - dickhead
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Webchat with Tony Barrett at 2.30pm today
TheGame - Times Online - WBLG: Liverpool webchat with Tony Barrett: is Benitez on the way out?
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Rafa exit not a consequence of player power
03/06/2010
Now it has become clear that the club no longer want Rafa Benitez at Anfield, there are a couple of issues that need clearing up...
Rafa decided last week to move the situation forward when he told me – for an article published in The Daily Mirror – that he wanted to stay. He put forward his reasons for lowering expectations and defended his good record at the club. However, the warning was there; that he would stay, “if he`s allowed”. He hasn`t been allowed, and the club feels the situation has stagnated.
Rafa told me he would love to stay but there were many obstacles. I have the impression that he had a clear idea that not everybody at the club backed him and many were happy to leave him out there in the firing line to take the blame for a disappointing and frustrating season – instead of them admitting that the team`s results were the consequence of a club that had the financial resources to enter the race in a family hatchback - but wanted the results of a Ferrari - But Rafa was NOT talking about the players at the club.
So, is player power behind all of this, as many are reporting? I think it is more a case of club power: people within the club hierarchy have decided there is no point in keeping the manager and he is the easy option to take the blame.
The reports of a complete breakdown in his relationship with key players are false. For example, Rafa called Steven Gerrard on the player`s birthday last Sunday and the pair chatted for 20 minutes.
If Gerrard is seriously thinking about a move it is not because of Rafa, but because there have been so many promises unfulfilled by the people running the club and the Liverpool captain may feel that he must go elsewhere in order to compete for titles. For an elite player, like Gerrard, titles define a career and he has given most of his professional life to Liverpool – understandably he is thinking about a move because the club is not moving in the right direction.
Gerrard has four offers from English clubs and there have been conversations with Real Madrid. Mourinho would love to work with either Lampard or Gerrard and if Mourinho convinces the Real Madrid president to fund a move, then an offer will be made for one of them. Gerrard has not conspired against Rafa even though it is quite likely that the long relationship between them had become professional. I have said before that, in my opinion, the intensive methods of Rafa, means that his squads need to be recycled regularly - every 2-3 years - for their full potential to be realised.
But reports of the distance between Rafa and his players have been grossly exaggerated – granted, he is not their best friend either, but that was not the ultimate reason for his departure. When Ryan Babel suffered an injury scare last week that threatened his place in the Dutch World Cup squad, Rafa was on the phone to him immediately to give him support.
It is true that certain players who do not feature regularly for the first team are not all entirely happy – but that is normal under any manager at any club – and it requires a huge leap of imagination to say that unhappiness brings conspiracies against the manager. The impression I am getting from key players is that they hate the idea of people thinking it was a player power versus Benitez – rather a frustration at a 7th placed finish and 4 years without a trophy and the growing sense that unless there are changes – at all levels – little will change.
My own view is that, in hindsight, if Benitez had focused all of his resources on winning the Premier League instead of trying to challenge for the cup competitions as well, maybe his story at Liverpool would have been different: delivering a league title at Anfield given the circumstances and resources of the club at the moment would have given him a huge amount of credit with the club, fans and media.
However, as he admitted to me in his last interview as Liverpool manager, during his six years at Liverpool, Manchester have United averaged 83 points a season, Chelsea 77.8 and Arsenal 77 - and in two of those seasons Liverpool have broken their all time record points tally - 82 points in 2006 and 86 in 2009. Yet even that appears to have not been enough.
So what`s next?
Reaching a severance agreement will not be easy. Rafa will remain in holiday in Sardinia while the lawyers do the talking - and the £3 million being offered might not be enough…
Benitez` best option was Juventus: he did consider it, but was never entirely convinced because he felt there was a chance to stay and finish the job at Anfield. Inter Milan is the most likely option, but taking on the job of managing a club with an ageing squad that has just won everything is not a challenge many would relish.
Guillem Balague Football Website | Rafa exit not a consequence of player power
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Rafa exit not a consequence of player power
03/06/2010
Now it has become clear that the club no longer want Rafa Benitez at Anfield, there are a couple of issues that need clearing up...
Rafa decided last week to move the situation forward when he told me – for an article published in The Daily Mirror – that he wanted to stay. He put forward his reasons for lowering expectations and defended his good record at the club. However, the warning was there; that he would stay, “if he`s allowed”. He hasn`t been allowed, and the club feels the situation has stagnated.
Rafa told me he would love to stay but there were many obstacles. I have the impression that he had a clear idea that not everybody at the club backed him and many were happy to leave him out there in the firing line to take the blame for a disappointing and frustrating season – instead of them admitting that the team`s results were the consequence of a club that had the financial resources to enter the race in a family hatchback - but wanted the results of a Ferrari - But Rafa was NOT talking about the players at the club.
So, is player power behind all of this, as many are reporting? I think it is more a case of club power: people within the club hierarchy have decided there is no point in keeping the manager and he is the easy option to take the blame.
The reports of a complete breakdown in his relationship with key players are false. For example, Rafa called Steven Gerrard on the player`s birthday last Sunday and the pair chatted for 20 minutes.
If Gerrard is seriously thinking about a move it is not because of Rafa, but because there have been so many promises unfulfilled by the people running the club and the Liverpool captain may feel that he must go elsewhere in order to compete for titles. For an elite player, like Gerrard, titles define a career and he has given most of his professional life to Liverpool – understandably he is thinking about a move because the club is not moving in the right direction.
Gerrard has four offers from English clubs and there have been conversations with Real Madrid. Mourinho would love to work with either Lampard or Gerrard and if Mourinho convinces the Real Madrid president to fund a move, then an offer will be made for one of them. Gerrard has not conspired against Rafa even though it is quite likely that the long relationship between them had become professional. I have said before that, in my opinion, the intensive methods of Rafa, means that his squads need to be recycled regularly - every 2-3 years - for their full potential to be realised.
But reports of the distance between Rafa and his players have been grossly exaggerated – granted, he is not their best friend either, but that was not the ultimate reason for his departure. When Ryan Babel suffered an injury scare last week that threatened his place in the Dutch World Cup squad, Rafa was on the phone to him immediately to give him support.
It is true that certain players who do not feature regularly for the first team are not all entirely happy – but that is normal under any manager at any club – and it requires a huge leap of imagination to say that unhappiness brings conspiracies against the manager. The impression I am getting from key players is that they hate the idea of people thinking it was a player power versus Benitez – rather a frustration at a 7th placed finish and 4 years without a trophy and the growing sense that unless there are changes – at all levels – little will change.
My own view is that, in hindsight, if Benitez had focused all of his resources on winning the Premier League instead of trying to challenge for the cup competitions as well, maybe his story at Liverpool would have been different: delivering a league title at Anfield given the circumstances and resources of the club at the moment would have given him a huge amount of credit with the club, fans and media.
However, as he admitted to me in his last interview as Liverpool manager, during his six years at Liverpool, Manchester have United averaged 83 points a season, Chelsea 77.8 and Arsenal 77 - and in two of those seasons Liverpool have broken their all time record points tally - 82 points in 2006 and 86 in 2009. Yet even that appears to have not been enough.
So what`s next?
Reaching a severance agreement will not be easy. Rafa will remain in holiday in Sardinia while the lawyers do the talking - and the £3 million being offered might not be enough…
Benitez` best option was Juventus: he did consider it, but was never entirely convinced because he felt there was a chance to stay and finish the job at Anfield. Inter Milan is the most likely option, but taking on the job of managing a club with an ageing squad that has just won everything is not a challenge many would relish.
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Agree with that. Equally if Kenny is appointed, it is not going to have any impact on the sale process. In my opinion.
I still dont think there is a serious sale process - but we will see when they are still here in 2 years - no decent players - but the debt has been mysteriously paid down
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Just on eof the many very wild theories coming out.
To be fair - i've said for a long time that i dont think they are seriously trying to sell - this is just another part of that
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Yeah, I can see that.
"Fernando, we've sacked the bloke who brought you here, we're still owned by cunts, we've got fuck all money to make the "four or five" top quality signings you have said we need, and were imperative to you staying, but check this out: we're going to install a crowd-pleasing "manager" who hasn't been involved in managing a Premiership team for over a decade, last managed Liverpool 20 years ago and is currently an ambassador for the club"
It's the equivalent of United making fucking Bobby Charlton manager.
Too right - or Bryan Robson. When will we wake up to whats happening - this is another step to them hanging on
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The yanks are loving this - they can now sell our best players, nobody to stop them and they will spin that they wanted to go.
Pay down the debt - keep the club
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I cant see Gerrard going if Kenny is the new boss, this very likely applies to Torres too.
In that sense Kenny is already off to a flier.
Benitez lost the players the night we went out to Lyon, in my view.
We've had a squad that had decided they werent putting their world cups on the line for Rafa since February.
The main thing is keeping what players we have, as any funds raised will go straight to Texas. We doactually have some real talent there, its easy to forget that, the way Benitez has been running things.
In a similair vein i can see an upside to O'Neil coming if we are forced to sell the big names. He does get the max out of pigs ears.
We were linked with Milner, but O'Neil,instead of buying a crocked Aquilani, bought him for a fuck sight less. O Neil isnt the anti christ, he does well with average players,which is what we might be looking at.
Benitez going is a good thing. If only that it will now focus the ire on the stooges.
But does it focus the ire on the stooges?? - a lot of people will think twice before protesting because Kenny is there
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as much as i believe the yanks etc will want Dalglish to take the job ( no compo and all that ) I do think Kenny is being used and has an awful lot to lose.
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When I think of Kenny I think of a genius player, a great manager and an even greater man.
No-one should dare say what you have just said about the man, read up about Kenny and what he did for the club and it's fans in the wake of hillsborough and then atleast have the decency to apologise
See - the yanks plan is working already.
Split the fans, not easy to protest against Kenny. They will now operate behind the sheild
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I'm hearing that it's likely to be Kenny on a short term basis until the club is sold. It's seen as the best way of keeping the top players here, as the club knew there could be an exodus if they didn't do something.
Appointing a long term manager was difficult because of the uncertainty over the ownership, but the King would restore harmony to the camp and get everyone pulling in the same direction again. Every chance Rush may be named as his assistant or on the coaching staff.
If Kenny takes takes it i can only see a yank ploy to split the fans - if things start to go wrong nobody will protest as he is held is such high esteem. They played a blinder by getting him in ( as it appeased the fans and allowed them a bit of room ) if they make him Manager ( interim or otherwise ) it can only help them as some fans will see things as rosy again.
I think Kenny has an alful lot to lose if he takes it ( and i doubt he will )
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I agree with whoever said Kenny should be given the job until the owners sell up. There's no point looking beyond the sale right now.
A sale that could take how long?? i'm not convinced they are actually going to sell. They now have rid of every dissenting voice.
Kenny wouldnt touch it - he's too happy on the golf course these days
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Benitez being sacked is the best thing to happen this summer so far. He's lost the dressing room due to his negativity and cold attitude. The next thing now is to get the club sold and get in a new manager who will allow the team to attack
Here is thae yank spin already
Are we in unofficial administation.
in FF - Football Forum
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Purslow mentioned to SOS some time ago that we HAD to pay down the debt and that he had been tasked with looking for investment, he failed to do that so there is only 1 other way they can find the £100m the banks want.
Critics may point to the fact that they have said they are going to sell since Purslow mentioned the above, however I dont think they are seriously trying to sell ( hence the silly price tag )
They know that if a new stadium is built, the club will be worth a lot more, so i feel they are trying to ride the storm until they can get it built and sell on for a lot more. ( They feel it is easier to do this by staying 000's of miles away, and keeping his gob shut (Gillett )) They now operate behind the sheild of Purslow & Broughton.
They dont care if we have good players whilst this is happening, they know we have a large core support, who although will get pissed off, will not stop going to the match ( and allegedly a large waiting list )
In any other industy, if the quality of your usual "brand " is not what it used to be, you switch brands, but not football.
They are happy to amble along with no stars or even profit in the knowledge that in the future ( when a stadium is also in the mix ) they will hit the big time.
Just my opinion