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  1. Sorry if this was already posted.... Rafa: I didn't talk to The Sun - Liverpool FC Rafael Benitez today moved quickly to rubbish a report in this morning's Sun claiming he had given an "exclusive" interview to the national newspaper. The Liverpool manager said: "It is important for me to reassure our supporters that I have never spoken exclusively to this newspaper - and never will. "The quotes they used from me are taken from an event I attended yesterday in Spain."
  2. Agger is self destructing, can't believe we've kept two clean sheets in a row with that half-wit partnering Kolo.
  3. According to the BBC gossip website, the Mirror is today suggesting that the club has 'slapped' a transfer fee of 14m on the busy midfielder after receiving a few enquiries on his availability from 'top' European sides. No idea how much we'd ask for Babel then.
  4. Whoooarrr you thought that Chelsea one was bad, wait to you see our. It's proper shit, in a bluenose shite way. LFC playing in Blue
  5. I keep reading time and time again that we would be fucked if Rafa is either sacked or walks himself, why is that exactly? I`m really curious to find out why people keep saying things like this and what they actually base their opinions on. So why is it Rafa is the only answer for some, what are these superb abilities he has got as a manager/coach which makes him irreplaceable? I have read a lot of thoughts and ideas about why he might not be the answer, but I think its time someone speaks up about why they think he is so fantastic compared to other managers out there. Answers like, he is our manager and thats why I back him isnt good enough I`m afraid, at least not in this thread.
  6. Just wondering what those people who think we are were we are because we dont spend enough money on players and wages think of Bayer Leverkusen who are currently top of the German 1st division. Bayer Leverkusen Transfers They've spent next to nothing in the past few seasons. Bayern and Wolfsburg have far outspent them.
  7. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/spor...-TOP-FOUR.html TORRES TO QUIT IF REDS DON'T MAKE TOP FOUR Why Rafa must get his act together TORRES: Liverpool's biggest asset By Chris Bascombe, 26/12/2009 FERNANDO TORRES' long- term loyalty for Liverpool is being stretched to its limit with the club battling to keep him beyond this season. Rafa Benitez has already turned down a £70million bid from Manchester City for his star striker. Chelsea also had an approach for Torres rebuffed last summer, with the player uninterested in leaving Anfield at the time. But both City and the Blues are preparing renewed offers. Torres has consistently committed himself to the Liverpool cause but that is conditional on the club proving they can fulfil his ambitions. The Spaniard has become troubled by the shambolic events on and off the pitch in recent months and is seeking assurances the club will sort themselves out before the start of next season. Torres left his boyhood team Atletico Madrid because they could not match his Champions League and trophy- winning dreams. Liverpool's alarming slump is leading him to a similar situation where his heart is at his current club but he may be forced to move on. Failure to finish in the top four and the continued presence of the current hierarchy would mean only blind faith could keep Torres at Anfield. He recently signed a lucrative new deal but money is not his motivation. Both Torres and skipper Steven Gerrard want to know if the club are likely to find the resources to undergo another major overhaul of the squad before next season. Although Gerrard will also have no shortage of admirers this summer - especially if he enjoys a sparkling World Cup - the England midfielder is loathe to go through the same experience as he did during his on-off moves to Chelsea. But that will not stop a mega-bid from Real Madrid, Barcelona or Inter Milan - even though all three have been rejected by Gerrard during the last two years. If the Liverpool captain feels his club will continue to be in the same catastrophic mess when he returns from South Africa, he might decide he has had enough. With guarantees of a brighter future in woefully short supply, the grimmest of campaigns is on the threshold of getting even worse without leadership from the top. Benitez faces two pivotal fixtures over the next fortnight which will determine if his guarantee of a top-four finish is realistic and will ultimately decide his fate. His side travel to Aston Villa on Tuesday and welcome Spurs on January 10. If the deficit between Liverpool and their top four competitors has increased after that, Benitez's hopes of surviving beyond May will deteriorate. Expectations The Kop boss accepts expectations have increased since last season's title challenge and he can only envy the levels of patience and understanding on offer to rival boss Martin O'Neill. "When you are coming from a lower position, the motivation is high and it's easier," said Benitez. "The expectations at this club are such that everyone thinks we should be in the top four. We know we have the quality to do it. "When I joined the club, they were finding it very difficult to finish in the top four. Then we qualified for the Champions League five years in a row which was a really good achievement and it meant we were at a different level to other clubs. "Now people expect we should stay there. But it's always difficult to make that last move to close the gap at the top. It depends on the structure of the club, money and everything. "To control all these things is difficult and you can't make mistakes. This year, we have made mistakes. Now we have to do things properly to prepare for the next challenge. I'm not sure if Villa are the biggest threat as City and Spurs are also dangerous. But the main thing is to improve ourselves. "By winning games in a row, we will be more confident." Among those in the Villa ranks is full-back Stephen Warnock, who was released by Liverpool for £1.5m in 2007 but cost O'Neill £7m last summer. Benitez is not surprised by the Scouse left-back's impressive form which earned him a recent England call-up. But he defended his decision to sell the defender. "He could have been a good player for us but he wanted to play every single game," said Benitez. "We had Fabio Aurelio and, at the time, John Arne Riise who was a fantastic player for Liverpool. So we couldn't play him every game. "When you have a player on the bench who has an opportunity to go, you can't stop this. He was always a good worker and very competitive and that's why he's at the level he is." For all the frustration at Anfield, Benitez is increasingly helpless in trying to carry out the surgery which his squad need. Interest The Spaniard believes he will not get any extra funds in January and cannot anticipate any cash injection on the horizon beyond May - even if he survives the current crisis. He will use the transfer window to try to generate his own resources. That means Anfield flops Andriy Voronin, Ryan Babel and Andrea Dossena will be offered to interested clubs. "I won't talk about individual names but it's clear I need to manage my squad and some players will be thinking they need to move because they're thinking about the World Cup," said Benitez. "There has been some interest in players." Babel has made it clear he wants out and favours a return to Ajax. He is also interesting Spurs boss Harry Redknapp, who first enquired about the erratic Dutch winger last summer. Hitman Voronin is likely to head back to the Bundesliga where Hertha Berlin have been long-time admirers. Greek side Panathinaikos have also shown interest in the out-of-favour striker, who has been cast aside since appearing in the crunch Champions League clash with Lyon. Left-back Dossena is desperate to return to Serie A with Napoli. But these departures are unlikely to generate more than £7m for the cash-strapped Merseysiders. The moves certainly will not appease the unsettled elements of the Liverpool squad who fear the club faces the prospect of falling further behind their top four rivals, never mind catching Chelsea. A target man is Benitez's main priority in January. But although many at Anfield believe ex-Manchester United striker Ruud van Nistlerooy could provide a short-term solution, Benitez still needs to be convinced because of the 33-year-old's injury record. The problem he faces is a growing belief his entire squad will need restructuring before the start of next season. At the moment, he has no option but to try and apply quick fixes.
  8. Read the doom and gloom in every paper and off every anti rafa fan on here for the last 5 or so weeks. Bored of hearing about the lack of quality in the squad and the dissapointment of us not challenging like last season? Dispite us having a stupid amount of injuries. Tired of watching pundits rip apart the zonal marking system? Dispite it working in previous seasons and us having the best defensive record before when he's been in charge using the same system. Well optumistic fans I want to hear your faith and a injection of your belief on this thread. I want to create a thread for the pro rafa fans only with no arguing with hypercrits who loved every minute of last season, but the minute it gets hard turn on the manager. (ignore the anti comments lets keep this positive only) I'm not daft I know he's not 100% perfect but who is? Analysing his mistakes day after day isn't healthy. So here's the thread for the man thousands of reds (including me) still believe in and know he's the right man for liverpool. Start your replies with...I believe in RAFA becasue
  9. They say in life you get what you generally deserve,well by singing his name and showing support for a man who clearly hasn't got what it takes,then as fans of LFC we will continue to get what we deserve..........SWEET FUCK ALL. Match going fans would really want to wise up,support the team obviously,but to sing his name is just embarrassing tbf. Most intelligent fans in the world??you're having a laugh.
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    Masch showing a bit of love and commitment to the club when he scored today. Shame so many knobheads on this forum dont do the same.
  11. very limited attacking options with Yossi,Riera,Torres all out -------------Reina---------- Johnson--Carra---Agger--Insua ----------Lucas--Masch----- Gerrard-------Aquilani-----Aurelio ----------------Kuyt----------- subs Cav Degen Skrtel Spearing Dossena Babel N'Gog
  12. If we don't get him one of our rivals will, time to start negotiations: Special delivery: why José Mourinho wants to go ‘home’ to England | Chelsea - Times Online
  13. lots of fans point to rafas limited net spend as the reason why he cant build a title challenging team despite spending what over £200m. from what ive read rafas net spend is in the region of £85m give or take a million. so if rafa had more money to spend, what would people expect his net spend to be to turn us into a title challenging team. in other words, would his net spend have to be £100m £130m £150m more? how much?
  14. Glen Johnson, quality signing, upgrade on arbeloa?. Aqualini - quality?- I think he will be. Rafa probably knows his previous mistakes but has not got the funds to correct them, blame the yanks for that, 4th will be an achievement. Last year, I think Rafa cost us, but even Keane has not been replaced, he did fill in well for Torres in some games, (people forget), we've been shafted, even the likes of stoke and Sunderland have out spent us this summer. I've no grudges with Rafa this season, seeing him bring the likes of Eccelston on this year is great, I am behind his vision, who could do a better job in these circumstances?. Since he has stopped with the politics he has done everything right and has just been hampered with injuries, I've still faith in Rafa.
  15. WENGER: BENITEZ IS A 'SUPER MANAGER' Arsene Wenger today labelled Rafa Benitez a 'super manager' as the Liverpool boss looks to revive our Champions League campaign in Lyon. The Arsenal chief was quizzed on Liverpool's mixed start to the season which has left them needing victory in France tonight to get back into Group E contention. Wenger pointed to Benitez's superb record in management as proof he was the right man to turn Liverpool's campaign around. "Rafa Benitez is a super manager," said the Frenchman. "We live in a world where democratic judgment is only in the present, and that's why it's very important to have directors who are strong enough to resist, as well to explain why they resist."
  16. Rafa, he's had money, chances &time, please leave with your dignity in tact, i believe real madrid are calling, get some new investors in & get a new manager, cos Rafa has gone as far as he can
  17. Media Myths: Rafa Benitez and His Transfer History With Liverpool Football Club There appears to be a trend growing amongst media outlets, “expert” pundits, and rival supporters who ensure a negative air surrounds Liverpool Football Club and more commonly its manager, Rafa Benitez. It seems he can do no right in the eyes of some people—his own supporters included—and more false claims appear every week that serve only to derail him from his aims. As more and more newspapers churn out sensational headline after headline and television pundits spout opinion as fact; the more people are brainwashed by these stories. Many lazy debaters claim their opinion to be fact or truth whilst they simply recycle misleading newspaper propaganda as their own knowledge or belief. Biased supporters who choose to jump on the slander bandwagon when it involves a rival team are common place, and this only adds to the ever-growing ideology of a story perceived as fact. One such myth which seems to have appeared recently has been the same tired line about Rafa Benitez and his transfers since his time at Liverpool. You will hear people claiming things like: “A larger proportion of Rafa's signings have been expensive and poor.” This does of course depend on how a person interprets the words expensive and poor—the latter obviously being down to their personal opinion of a player. For example if someone wants to use the barometer of anything over a million pounds to be expensive and any player other than Messi or Ronaldo is considered poor; then anyone will struggle to argue against that logic—me included. We can address the “expensive” part of the argument first: (Numbers in brackets are players still at the club) £20-30+ million: 1 (1) Torres £10-20 million: 4 (3) Mascherano, Keane, Babel, Alonso £5-10 million: 14 (9) Dossenna, Riera, Agger, Skrtel, Reina, Benayoun, Leiva, Kuyt, Pennant, Crouch, Bellamy, Sissoko, Morientes, Garcia £0-5 million: 47 (36) Degan, Cavelieri, Ngog, Plessis, Insua, Leto, Itandje, Voronin, Arbeloa, El Zhar, Aurelio, Palletta, Fowler, Kromkamp, Barragan, Nunez, Zenden, Gonzalez, Carson, Pellegrino, Josemi, Martin, Antwi, Hobbs, Miki Roque, Gulacsi, Padelli, Anderson, Poloskei, Crowther, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Nemeth, Pacheco, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez. It is easy to see that the majority of Rafa’s signings have been below the £10 million mark and nothing like the fabrication that he has bought mostly “expensive” signings. Especially when you consider that 49 of his 66 signings are still at the club and the selling on fee cannot yet be determined. Here are some more comments and claims made about Rafael Benitez: “He has bought 53 players for £190 million and sold 56 for £108 million, clearly a loss of £82 million proves he doesn’t have a clue in the transfer market.” I think the easiest way to explain this would be to just show you a full rundown of Rafael Benitez’ signings since he joined Liverpool in June 2004: Players bought in by Benitez: 66 Players still at the club: 49 First Team: 18 Alonso, Reina, Agger, Aurélio, Kuyt, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Lucas, Torres, Itandje, Benayoun, Babel, Skrtel, Degen, Dossena, Cavalieri, Ngog, Riera. Reserve Team: 22 El Zhar, Insúa, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez, Pacheco, Nemeth, Plessis, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Crowther, Poloskei Out on Loan: 9 Andriy Voronin, Jermaine Pennant, Sebastian Leto, David Martin, Godwin Antwi, Jack Hobbs, Miki Roque, Peter Gulacsi, Paul Anderson A figure of 49 players bought by Rafa are still playing for the club with the majority (22) bought as youth players for the reserve team—with the idea for future revenue if they perform to their potential. It will also save the club a great deal of money if they turn out to be superstars worth a large transfer fee. From that 49 figure, there are 18 still playing for the first team and contributing on a very large scale with the majority of them being priced by many as a greater figure than when the players were initially bought by Rafa. From the nine players out on loan, only two are established players with the other seven being young reserve players gaining experience at other clubs—with the hope of either returning to Liverpool’s first team or making a profit to invest in future transfers. Players Sold On by Benitez: 56 Players Bought by Other Managers and Sold on by Benitez: 39 Players Bought and Sold on by Rafa Benitez: 17 For me, this is the key point from which poorly informed debaters’ opinions collapse. Most propaganda articles or rival supporters will wildly claim that Rafa has sold "56" players and made little money in return. They claim the “majority” of the "56" players the Liverpool manager has sold on have been at a loss and “proves” his failings in the transfer market. This is such a misleading statement to make that I really don’t know how people can still get away with it. For starters, Benitez has sold 39 players bought by other Liverpool managers. Benitez cannot be held accountable for selling a player at a loss when Benitez was not the one who identified the player as a target in the first place or sanctioned the over-inflated transfer fee. You can only really judge him on the players he has bought and sold since he has been at the club and this brings the true figure down to just 17 players. Profit: 7 Carson +2.25, Barragan +0.43, Sissoko +2.6, Crouch +4.0, Gonzalez +2.0, Bellamy +1.5, Nunez +0.5 Loss: 6 Garcia -2.0, Morientes -3.3, Palletta -0.8, Josemi (swapped for) Kromkamp -0.25, Idrizaj -0.19, Keane -3.0 (could be even less depending on contract triggers) Even: 4 Pellegrino, Zenden, Fowler, Padelli (all four players were brought in and moved on for a free transfer) So the true extent of Rafa’s failings in the transfer market is just six players from 17, coming with a loss of just under £10 million within four and a half years—the most expensive loss being just £3.3 million; nothing like the losses achieved by other established Premier League managers. Hopefully that is one media myth that's now been eradicated. LINK
  18. Why Rafa could quit Some Liverpool fans think Rafa Benitez's time is up at Anfield after a poor start to the season. Given the circumstances, maybe the Spaniard does too WHETHER you love or hate Rafa Benitez, put yourself in the Spaniard’s shoes for a moment. After a lifetime living and working in Spain, after guiding Valencia to the most successful period in their history with a first title in 31 years followed up by a La Liga and UEFA Cup double, you choose to leave your home country behind to come to England and manage Liverpool. You make that decision despite other, more lucrative offers lying on the table back in June 2004 – from Spurs, Inter Milan and Besiktas. But you plump for Liverpool, drawn by its standing and heritage, inheriting an underachieving, average squad which looked certain to lose two of its best players in Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard. For five years you live and work in a foreign country, putting your heart and soul into the manager’s job at a football club where resources don’t match the expectations. You master a new language, work up to 22-hour days, change players’ diets and training methods and even enjoy an infamous drink in Germany with Liverpool fans. You left one job where directors refused to sign players you wanted and interfered with transfer dealings (sparking your infamous “I asked the club for a sofa and they bought me a lampshade” quote) and walked into another one with similar problems. You were told by co-owner George Gillett you could sign “Snoogy Doogy” if that’s who you wanted – but then you were told you couldn’t sign Simao, Gareth Barry, Michael Dawson, David Villa, David Silva, Kenwyne Jones, Ryan Shawcross and countless others. You had a club co-owner open talks with Jurgen Klinsmann about succeeding you as manager – and found out about it through the newspapers. You signed Xabi Alonso, Fernando Torres, Pepe Reina, Javier Mascherano, Luis Garcia, Yossi Benayoun, Dirk Kuyt, Glen Johnson, Emiliano Inusa, Momo Sissoko, Alvaro Arbeloa, Daniel Agger and Peter Crouch – then people kept saying you have a terrible record in the transfer market. In your first season, despite a poor squad, you won the Champions League in one of the most thrilling matches in football history. Key to the run to the final was your ability to squeeze out quality performances from limited players, most notably Igor Biscan. You also reached the League Cup final in that first season, losing to Chelsea 3-2 after extra time, and finished fifth in the league. The following season you won the FA Cup, beating Manchester United and Chelsea on the way to the final, when West Ham were edged out on penalties. In the league you guided Liverpool to third, missing out on the runners-up spot by just one point. That FA Cup success in Cardiff made you the only manager in the history of Liverpool Football Club to win major trophies in both of the first two seasons at the club. A year later you guided Liverpool to another Champions League final, again knocking out Chelsea on the way. This time it wasn’t to be, but you could be forgiven for thinking people may recognise that it is no mean feat to get that far – and no disgrace to lose to AC Milan. In the league, you took us to third place again. But 2007-8 was a poor year for you. You only reached the semi-finals of the Champions League and finished fourth in the league. Your job was offered to Klinsmann though, so maybe you could be forgiven for taking your eye off the ball. And so to last season. Quarter-finals of the Champions League, runners-up in the league with 86 points. The only team in English top-flight history to lose so few games and not be crowned champions. The best points total since 1988, but also the highest of any side in a 20-team league not to win the championship. Fair to say, you were unlucky. You took us so close to the much-coveted number 19. And let’s not forget, you’ve won 57 per cent of your games in charge of Liverpool, the same as Bob Paisley. So with all that in mind, you deserve some respect, right? You’ve done a great job in trying circumstances. You’ve proved you are what they said you were when you arrived from Valencia – a world-class manager. But it’s not enough. You’ve lost four games out of nine this season. You’ve sold a player, Xabi Alonso, who wanted to leave the club, for a huge profit to the biggest club in his home country. You might think your excellent record buys you some time in the job at Anfield and some patience from the fans, just like it does for Arsene Wenger, trophyless with Arsenal since 2005. Well not for some people. They’ve had enough. They want Jose Mourinho. A man in a job at Inter Milan, with a huge salary. A man who would cost a lot of money in compensation and in wages. Oh and we’d have to pay you off too, Rafa. But hang on, there’s no money… What’s that Rafa? You’re resigning? You don’t feel appreciated? You’ve had enough of fickle fans on phone-ins and internet forums sniping and moaning? Had enough of media men calling you “cold”, slagging off your tactics, harping on about zonal marking and questioning the timing of your substitutions? Hypothetical, of course. But it could happen. And it would be a huge problem for Liverpool if it did. Mourinho, Guus Hiddink, Fabio Capello…all top managers that trigger-happy fans have been mentioning as they debate Rafa’s replacement. But why would any of them come to Anfield? No money to spend, owners that hate each other, sky-high expectations and a demand for immediate results… Hardly the dream job is it? When Benitez was trying to renegotiate his contract at Valencia in 2004 he said: “My ideal scenario was continue the work I had started at Valencia. “But the managing director said to me, ‘If I give you two more years on your contract and then you lose three matches it is going to be my problem!” If that was how much respect my three years of work had earned, then it seemed obvious to me that they had little interest in me staying.” He later said: “It appears that I’m valued more outside the club than I am at Valencia itself.” Deja vu? It’s clear he likes to be loved. And for his record at Liverpool, he deserves to be. But if people turn against him so quickly, whose to say he won’t pack it in? It’s not like he would struggle to get another job. In the first post-Benitez year at Valencia, the club finished seventh, 26 points behind La Liga champions Barcelona. If Benitez resigns, or, as unlikely as it is given the financial situation, is sacked, Liverpool could go backwards too. I wonder what Alan Curbishley is doing these days…? (Credit to TIA)
  19. Nah, surely not… Viana needed an 11 goal win over Chapadinha to secure promotion. 0 - 0 at halftime, 2 - 0 to Viana with 9 minutes to go and then suddenly they get 9 goals in 9 minutes. The president for Moto Club, who would get promoted if Chapadina won by 10 or less goals called the game scandalous, the president for Chapadinha said the players stopped playing after the goal to 3 - 0 went in and the manager for Viana can't understand what all the fuss is about. "We did what we had to do, are you going to punish us for winning a game?" said coach Braide Ribeiro. Vídeo gols de Viana 11 x 0 Chapadinha com 9 gols em 9 minutos - Assuntos Gerais - Blogs Abril
  20. uefa.com - Football Europe - News & Features - News Specific Rafa to be manager of Real Madrid by January
  21. gotta say the majority of people on here are a bunch of fuckin pricks.the same pricks that will be calling for rafas head when we dont make the champions league.fucking job for like cos he got lucky and won a european cup.stick your pathetic smarmy comments up your arses..neg this neg that,,fuckin grow up and take of the rose tinted glasses you jumped up cunts
  22. I'm in the middle of reading a really hilarious thread started by atk and go on to page 3 and the thread has been removed? Why? Wankers!!! [YOUTUBE]8rCcfqbNMdo[/YOUTUBE]
  23. not that i'm one but i was just wondering. the rivalry is so strong, is it possible for a manc to finally realize who's the better team to follow. and if there are people out there who fall under the "ex-manc, now liverpool fan" criteria, i want to know why you switched, how strongly you feel about the club, and how you feel about the mancs?
  24. ………I for one would be more than happy with that. It took us 6-7 months to really gel last season. At last, too late, we sorted it out. Our football since the Real Madrid match at Anfield is the best football we’ve produced for more than 20 years. If we can contain that form and carry it with us into the next season, we’ll win the league. At a canter. So Rafa: Please, please, don’t fuck up now. The team we have at the moment is good enough as it is. Don’t disrupt things. Don’t sell Xabi or any other key player. Don’t bring in many new faces. The world is full of examples of teams good enough as they were, trying to bring in stars to become even better. Only to see a decline as the rhythm and understanding amongst the players are disrupted. Some will be unhappy when we “fail” in the transfer market this summer. I’ll stay happy as long as we don’t loose any of our current players. Together we’ll all be happy when we bring the league home next year.
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