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The PL's independent commission has to make any charges stick if found guilty. And frankly, Im not confident any charges will. As for points deductions and stuff, the PL isnt Serie A so isnt going to change past title wins.

26 minutes ago, an tha said:

Just had SSN on and fuck me the wankathon over Harry Kane is sickening.

 

Slack jawed prick might have scored a few goals - where are his winners medals?

I really dont get the hatered of Kane and all this 'slack jawed' drooling shit. He knows where the fucking goal is and just because refs may favour him rather than Mo, that's on refs not the player.

We share your pain, Dave.

Not that you want to see it (or maybe you do?) but, I dont see any arguments amongst the players when we are conceeding these early goals and playing poorly. Matip was like 'Oh well, there's my cleansheet bonus gone, Doesnt matter how many more we conceed now'! The only time I remember seeing a player 'having a go' at a teammates is when Milner had a go at Alli after we conceeded a goal or Hendo is on the pitch giving a few others a bit of grief.

Where's the fire in the belly from the players? Trent stands there and shakes his head when he's subbed off. If you're angry at being subbed off, show it but make sure next time you take to the pitch, you put in a lung bursting performance so if you are subbed off, it's because you've given everything and not another poor performance.

I dont get how we can conceed early goals in games so often. How many is it now this season alone? Professional pride should have fired the boys up to the position they go on the field determined not to conceed.

When they're in the tunnel waiting to come out, they're all stood there like zombies. They need to get like the team in Rome in 84 who psyched the Roma players out by singing 'I dont know what it is but I love it!

Half the problem, well, all the problem actually is from the kick off we want to play the ball around and keep possession. Keeping possession is important, I get that but, invariably, we pass the ball around and slowly work it back to Alli. It just invites the oppos onto us. Alli then tries to find a team mate with the outside of his boot and it ends up either going out for a throw or to the oppos.

Just stop playing the ball around and across our 18 yard box. It's school boy stuff and one of the first things to get drilled into school kids: dont play the ball square across the 18 yard line!

Im really sick of the state of our finishing, Oppo keepers must love playing against us right now because we either give them an afternoon off or, our shots are bread and butter to them like during the pre match warm up when they're just putting shots within easy reach of the keeper to get him warmed up.

Thoroughly depressing!

50 minutes ago, sir roger said:

i think Everton sitting back will suit us and hopefully let us get into an attacking rhythm. To repeat a lot of posters, we have to stop needing 20 chances to get a goal.

Desparate times call for desparate measures. Jurgen should tell the players to drop all the nice guy professional shit and start rolling around on the ground and wasting time like Newcastle, Brighton and Wolves, twice each  have done on our tackles recently.

If nothing else, we need to start getting some free kicks around oppos boxes even if we arent shooting well right now. Buy a ticket in the raffle and all that.

It's hard to make sense of anything. We've brought in Diaz, Konate, Nunez and Gakpo. We wanted the lad who waited to see whether we or Real won the CL final before making his decision who to join.

He's probably sat in Madrid thinking he's dodged a bullet jibbing us although things arent going sweetly at Real either. Twat!

Imagine if the plan of signing him last summer and Bellingham next summer had come off, what a dream that would have been.

12 minutes ago, Code said:

But without the unlucky deflection it would not be a goal, the bad defending did not give Wolves a goalscoring opportunity, just a chance to cross the ball inside the box. 
 

Us conceeding that goal was bad luck, thats my point. 

The bad defending by Joel did give Wolves a goal scoring opportunity albeit an OG.

8 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

Thing is, it's not actually possible to pay to watch it, which is ridiculous in this day and age. The authorities constantly kicking off about illegal streams, but without them there is literally no other way to watch games in the UK if you don't have a match ticket.

It's the PL's lesser 13 clubs now newcastle are monied, who are stopping this because the 'bigger' clubs will get more money because of their bigger fanbase, blah, blah, blah.

1 hour ago, Code said:

I have not read this thread, but the first two goals yesterday is down to bad luck, especially the first. 

 

If we had not had a rough ride lately, people would have said it's just one of those days.

 

The problem is it's those kind of days most of the time right now. 

Joel's OG was just pure bad defending stopping momentarily to play an on side player off. Yeah, the deflection off him could have gone anywhere but like Skrtel and Carragher before him, he's an OG magnet.

Joe's header was poor although there wasnt much pace on the ball, he was never going to get much distance on it. Even after the poor header, Gakpo doesnt react to the danger before Dawson nips in to score.

It's not chance that we're conceeding so many goals within minutes of games starting, it's lacking application and concentration or not giving a fuck any more, take your pick.

It's like Dave said on the pod, he needs to get his head up, see where the keeper is and stop wellying the ball straight at the keeper.

He might have scored shitloads in the Portugese League and the Spainish 2nd or 3rd Division just blasting the ball at goal but that's not going to work out well in the Prem.

9 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

We had 28 points from 16 games mate. We keep taking one point from every 4 games till the end of the season that takes us to 34 points (and that's being generous by giving us a point from the last 2 games).

Mate, that's sinking to some depth even for you!

9 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I'm not sure. The sportswashers wouldn't want him because of his Socialist ideals, and for the same reason, he wouldn't want them.

 

Don't see any of the Italian or Spanish giants wanting him, and in Germany he's inexorably linked with Dortmund and Mainz.

 

Don't see a non-sportswashing Premier League club wanting him either.

 

I think his next and probably final job is the German national team.

Germany would have him as national manager in a heartbeat, so would Bayern and probably Dortmund.

Yes, Real wouldnt be interested while Carlo is there but otherwise, he'd be on any top European club's manager list. PSG would want him as would Juve or the 2 Milan clubs and a few PL clubs would as well.

Good pod again in depressing circumstances.

Once again, we conceed an early goal within minutes of the kick off albeit the 5th minute and then a 2nd, 7 minutes later. Just why is this happening so often?

The finishing is abysmal in fact, Id say it's unacceptable from supposed professional players.

For a long time during the covid season, Jurgen messed around playing emergency cb's in hendo and fabinho when the answer, Nat and Rhys was staring him in the face all the time. He needs to give some of the young lads in the U21s a go, it was an emergency again that gave Bajcetic his chance after all.

My fear is that Jurgen is slowly beginning to think he cannot resolve whatever the issues are why the team is playing so poorly.

Agree with Jules we're 18 - 24 months away from mounting titles challenges.

Agree with Dave, Ward should have been put on immediate gardening leave along with the others who want to fuck off.

Even Dele Alli has fallen off a cliff.

I think the idea of a partial sale is a 'strategic' partner would bring in extra money to the club after their initial investment such as opening new markets and 'income streams' whatever they may be?

Whatever you think of Mourinho, time eventually caught up with him so the idea that Jurgen has won it all, is a fantastic man of honour etc doesnt mean much from this point onwards.

Ronnie Moran always used to say what you won last season counts for nothing this season and wont win you anything. Or something like that.

I keep saying it, I love Jurgen and desparately want him to turn this around. Sometimes even the best cannot stop the rot no matter what they try because if the players stop believing in the manager, you're pretty much goosed.

His hands are pretty much tied who he can play but with Bobby, Jota, Diaz and Virgil returning to training, there should be some hope on the horizon.

In the summer we should jib off Joel, Tsimikas, Fabinho. Keita and Ox are gone as their contracts will have ended. Unpopular as it may be, Id retain Hendo unless he doesnt fancy a Milner type role next season and beyond. Speaking of which, I suspect Millie will want to carry on playing elsewhere rather than take a coaching role here but you never know.

Jurgen needs to bring in an established right back and move Trent to right mid. He's world class when on form going forward but defensive issues means we need someone who can defend there now.

Robbo retains his place as left back but we need to be looking for a replacement. The Greek Scouser showed promise but is he the solution?

The club seems all in on Bellingham. Im not convinced so if we do miss out on him, I hope we have a back up for who we can bring in rather than wait for the right player who we'd also likely miss out on due to not being in the CL.

Mo would be a big question mark for me. He's undoubtedly written his name into our folklore but, if this form continues to the end of the season, do you sell and use the money for further team strengthening?

Backroom staff, does Jurgen need to freshen things up with one of Lijnders, Krawietz and Kornmayer as it seems all of them are struggling to bring new fitness regimes, tactics and ideas to the table?

1 hour ago, Funkasy said:

Klopp could finish outside top 10 for the next 3 years before i could even consider replacing him. But fuck me its looking grim at the moment from the management side. If they give new contracts to Firmino, Keita and maybe Milner just like Henderson, Gomez and Jones  have gotten lately we are doomed. 

 

One could even throw Salah in there but no one could see a slump like this from one of the best players in the world, it looks like there is no end of it.

Finishing outside the top 10 for 3 consecutive years isnt acceptable for any Liverpool manager. It wouldnt have stopped Bill, Bob or the King being sacked if that had actually happened on their watch.

It wont happen with Jurgen either by the way.

15 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

All the time mate you just cant be objective. You live in this little 'supporter bubble' making yourself seem like the ultimate little loyal terrier. This Club is nothing like the way it was run in its most successful years its fucking miles off.

 

Its about time some of you took a step back and got into reality.

Yet another strawman. You clearly cant read either because the post of mine you refer to doesnt blame the press for the results.

Look, we all know you've been waiting 4 or 5 years salivatating over a period like this to happen so you can bang your owners out drum ever louder and get more people on board your bandwagon.

Objectivity and reality? Fuck me, you really are myopic.

5 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Thats right, blame the press for the Clubs mess.

Haha, you fucking tit, go on, throw in another strawman argument.

I dont pay much attention to what the sports press say. They're all a bunch of hacks who'll praise a manager to high heaven one game only to take pleasure knocking them down the next.

These pressers are a fucking pain for managers to sit through especially after a run of poor form and defeats. Some little gobshite 'just asking the question but......' and how ever the manager responds, they still go to print or air with their slant on the situation.

Yes but if he shrugs his shoulders or remains calm saying he and the coaching staff are working hard to resolve things, people then say he doesnt give a fuck or he's deluded because he cant fix things. It's a cant win.

Personally, Im more than happy he's giving some shithead journos a bit back.

10 minutes ago, waddy78 said:

Klopp has just refused to answer any questions by James Pearce in the press conference after the game he said "i'd prefer not to answer that question from you, you know why and if anyone else wants to ask that question  i will answer it then" whats gone on there then?

Cue 'tetchy Klopp' articles in the Athletic and elsewhere within hours!

It comes down to professional and personal pride. I dont get why any player wouldnt listen to Jurgen given what he has made them into top players and won the pinnacle in club football.

How can any player with any pride think I know better than him, his tactics arent working? Pretty easy I guess when you've a couple of Ferrari's and Bugatti's in your 10 bedroom mansion's 6 car garage and your daily runabout is a pimped out BMW X7 or whatever.

Sorry to keep harping on about it, when those players start the game, they dont want the win more than the oppos. It shows every game now. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves that you didnt win 1 of the 2 big ones last season. Stop thinking that teammate is getting double or tripple what I am.

Stop the excuses and start playing for the manager, fans and shirt.

12 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Not so sure about this. They had quite a bit of youth there.

Straight back up the table the next season.

You're going to try and make a case that Dortie team man for man was better than ours today, which included Alli, Trent, Robbo, Thiago, Bajcetic, Salah and Gakpo?

They're clearly underperforming but why are these 2 getting pelters when Mo on £350k a week seems to have downed tools?

7 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

Didn't Klopp have a similar season in Germany. Plus that horrible period here couple of years ago. Maybe he has a weakness we don't see.

Yes, his last season with Dortmund. But there are clear differences to then in my view. Obviously, the bundesliga has a winter break and in that part of the season, the team was poor and if I remember were 3rd bottom at the break.

Jurgen said he'd sort it in the 2nd half of the season which he did with Dortmund finishing about midtable, I think.

But Jurgen was shot and announced he was leaving. He has better players here, now than he had that season at Dortmund. The team today was good enough to have beaten Wolves, just the same as the teams he's put out against Brighton, Leeds, Fulham etc were good enough to beat those opponents.

The players are just going through the motions now.

I dont think the owners would sack Jurgen although they sacked the King so, who knows? I do think all this  crap will weigh heavily on Jurgen. He looks like a man who has lost the ability to motivate these players because, as Ive said, the players want change. Fuck knows why that is because the man has taken them to heights very, very few will ever achieve again.

Sadly, that's how all this looks to me.  I dread seeing or reading the footie news at times like these because Ive seen what happens when this happens. All the bullshit Sky and the rest will put out about the manager 'given a vote of confidence' by the board and a short time later the inevitable happens.

Jurgen is a man of honour who likes to stand by his contract. The question is, with all these non performances by the players, is he going to think the players dont give a fuck any more, why should I when Ive tried everything?

1 minute ago, Anubis said:

Just wonder if any of the players listens to Wolves fans singing “sacked in the morning” and maybe have any sense of shame that they’re allowing it to happen.

You mean the players who already arent playing for the fans never mind their manager? Those players? They dont give a fuck any more because they want a change.