Gnasher
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An old mate who I havnt heard off for ages just sent me this shortv link out of the blue. He lives not far from Aberfan.
I dont know what to make of it really, its uplifting but painfully sad at the same time.
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28 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:So, you're happy to concede that, had you voted in 2016, you would have chosen the package of Brexit plus the Johnson/Gove/Rees-Mogg wing of the Tory Party?
No I wouldn't have angry because its obviously not good for jobs, workers rights and the country in general. However I believe a withdrawal negotiated by Corbyn/Starmer could have been possible and kept our relationship with the eu cordial and workable.
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18 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:So, you're happy to concede that, had you voted in 2016, you would have chosen the package of Brexit plus the Johnson/Gove/Rees-Mogg wing of the Tory Party?
No I wouldn't have.
You didnt answer my question. I will ask again.
So would you rather a Thatcher government in the eu or a socialist labour government led by Foot out of the eu? That was the choice that faced the country in 83/4.
Which one angry?
It's not even a hard question and your fluffing it over a slag who threw millions on the dole and sold off Britains industries because of your pathetic love affair with the eu.
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59 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:Britain would have been better served under a Labour Government and in the EU.
Always.
But that wasnt the choice Angry was it? Come on now you know your history
A labour government who promised to pull out of the eu in its first term or a Thatcher government who chose to stay in. That was the choice and until the Falklands we looked certain to be leaving.
Go on put me out of my misery which one was/is it?
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5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:No. That's why I never said they were.
Modern slavery is illegal and everyone who knows anything about the subject knows that giving migrant workers rights is key to fighting modern slavery and people trafficking. Leaving the EU takes rights away from migrant workers. You have drawn your own conclusion from these facts, but it's anybody's guess how you got there.
You saw them poor fuckers bundled on that plane to Britain when we were rife with Covid, all legal so that's ok then.
You carry condoning this shit Angry. I'm out
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12 minutes ago, skend04 said:Did they achieve much in their political careers for the populace or the country?
Two letter answer beginning with N and ending with O.
It's really strange to keep quoting politicians who have at best done very little when you try and talk about the EU. Of which we're no longer a part of
Who? Thatcher was prime minister for a fucking long time unfortunately. In that period Britain never once looked like leaving the eu.
In that period Britain experienced record three million plus unemployment. Do you not think Britain would have been better served out of the eu under a labour government than in the eu under a Thatcher premiership that brought misery and squalor?
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Anyway going over old ground now so I'll leave it there.
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Of course its interesting that Thatcher never once tried to leave Europe although with her majority she could easily have pulled out whilst Labour had eu withdrawal in its manifesto.
The eu is more in line with the free market policy endorsed by Thatcher than the Social Democratic mandate put forward by Foot, Benn, Shaw, Smith and Corbyn.
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34 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:When did any UK Government do this?
Oh come on angry for fuvks sake, they've done it for years. Got to have a bogey man. I shouldn't have to remind you of this slag.. but you've made me
Thatcher. No no no speech.
Was going to put up clip but not fair to let others rather yourself see her face
34 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:EU standards have always been legal minimum standards: every Member State has the right to legislate for higher standards. UK governments have consistently chosen not to do so.
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15 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:Oh yes.
I expect the S*n, Mail, Express, LBC, BBC, etc to start shining the harsh cold light of truth on the Government...
... any...
... minute...
... now!
Why should we believe the papers you mentioned would do that? Who said they would do that? Nobody. When have they ever done that? I'm not sure of your point.
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31 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:These were illegal. The people responsible were arrested.
Some were, not all. Were the Romanian farm workers flown in on charter planes at the start of the pandemic illegal Angry?
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1 minute ago, No2 said:@Gnasher who do think is more likely to get a handle on zero hour contracts? The EU or a Tory government?
The eu obviously. My point is the government won it now the government owns it, it's out in the open now. The old saying of give a fool enough rope springs to mind with this lot
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1 minute ago, Rushies tash said:Handily for the government, there will be alot of people out of work, signing up to do their old job with a new contract.
True that looks inevitable unfortunately. However the government can no longer hide behind the eu so high unemployment should rest firmly on this governments shoulders.
They promised better times outside the eu so it should be a case of the people saying go on over to you.
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Just now, cloggypop said:They are about to find out that they did.
That's debatable.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/24/eu-workers-rights-capital-multinationals
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3 minutes ago, cloggypop said:They had nothing to lose.
A lot of them didnt.
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1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:This is the point where Gnash reminds us that workers' rights weren't handed to us by the EU, but were won by the working class through centuries of struggle: therefore, we shouldn't worry about losing loads of rights, because we can just start a long struggle to regain them. Or something.
But nearly all our rights were indeed won before we entered the eu Angry, not an opinion that's a fact.
Working conditions in today's Britain are fucking awful now even in the eu, look at the conditions in the sweatshops in the Midlands, youngsters on zero hour contracts or overseas slaves picking vegetables.
If a tory government wants to take away workers rights they should be made to understand by unions, workers, the labour party and the general public that their proposals will be opposed and they can use the excuse of blaming the European union. They are out in the open.
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In fairness to the Donald he's blessed us with youngsters for a lovely future. Jared, Ivanka, Donald Jr and Eric are the type of kids you just take to,
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6 hours ago, skaro said:To cut a long story short.
I lost my mind.
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Toby, Toby, Toby ..
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Someone mention Tory mp Steve Baker?
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Dan Hodges is today fighting fellow Mail columnist Peter Hitchens, Young is up against a tory mp and Andrew brillo pad Neil is in a Twitter scrap with Owen Jones.. couldn't be happening to a better bunch..
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5 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:His response
Yeah just seen that. Quite entertaining this, I'm lost at the people who hate twitter, they dont know what they're missing..
Tories all arguing amongst each other now .. heres Julia Hartley Jam Doh Da ..
Should the UK remain a member of the EU
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4. Thatcher was no lady. She deserves all the scorn that comes her way. She was a cunting slag who's policies drove people to suicide and ruined the lives and aspirations of millions. Her shit stained legacy is unfortunately still felt today.
Your other points? Fair enough.