Gnasher

It's got everything to do with the EU. Italys soon to be former leader is a former top EU politician. The medicine he dished out has been rejected by the Italian people. The EU were warned be various political commentators and economists that if the EU ignored the Italians plea for help (and the situation for the bottom 30% was/is fucking dire) it would let in the right wing who were stoking resentment from the sidelines. The warnings have now come true. The EU imposed fiscal constraints (austerity) have not worked. Its created a massive rise in increased inequality and a massive rise in youth unemployment. The optics of Ursula flying around the world doing dodgy deals with despots whilst preaching economic restraint hasn't helped either.

True. The problem is the past decade has seen the EU walk straight into the hands of right wing populists. The EU should shoulder a lot of the blame. https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-italys-shift-to-the-right-is-dangerous-for-eu/a-63246405

No. I might be mad though.. I meant Europe's move to the right is in part a kick back to Ursula and her crew. Super Mario the ousted Italian leader was one of the the top EU politicians and the fact the Italian people have binned him for their most right wing leader since Mussolini tells its own story. France has also moved alarmingly to the right if you look at the increased popularity of Le Penn. It's not looking good in general. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/09/26/heres-what-a-meloni-government-in-italy-could-mean-for-the-eu

They wouldn't. Italy for one has been at loggerheads with the EU since the EU refused their bailout plan in 2019.. Ursula and her crew have given European right wingers gifts from heaven.

Half of Europe has swung wildly to the right Angry. France's Le Penn has her highest ever poll ratings. Italy has just elected its most right wing leader since Mussolini. Add in Hungary and Poland. It was all oh so predictable. The warning signs were ignored. European inequality has grown, the bottom 20% have been left to rot. The EU and Ursula are largely to blame. Edit; as for Frost and the ERG. It's a case of give them enough rope and watch as they hang themselves. Their greed will consume them, they are on course to destroy the Conservatives election chances for a generation.

Just going to check in on Dan,

Someone on twitter; for decades the Tories pissed over your leg and told you it's raining, now they are pissing all over you and telling you it's piss.

Fucking hell look at this latest Labour poll lead,

Margarine Thatcher.

Hmm it was vital to aliviate poverty, it was the only game in town. They had to go down Ursulas road and look where the rebuke has led Italy. They've just elected a far right PM who' spent the three years since spitting feathers at the EU and France. Similar thing happened years ago in Greece . Yet the EU are quick to pump many many more billions into Covid/Energy/Ukraine. That's not saying them causes wernt worthy but its shown the extreme poor the money was there to be found It made the bailout refused to help the poor (its always when it's for the poor it gets turned down) in Italy small change. IMO its a major factor in the rise of right wing popularity throughout Europe.

Yeah it's OK for Covid/Energy/Ukraine or outside forces. I believe Italy said they wanted to bust their fiscal budget to give it to the unemployed to relieve poverty but got rebuked. Sorry, unless you get freebie article behind paywall. Headline gives the drift. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/world/europe/italy-budget-european-union.html

That's the thinking. The problem is it constrains you if you need an emergency cash injection. Italys government tried for one not long ago the EU roped them back and look where the Italian people have turned now. I think Gordon Brown made a brave move resisting the call to join the Euro, but thats probably for another thread.

Didnt think we could ever be as bad as Greece because as Yanis Varoufakis pointed out the other day Greece was tied to the Euro so had to beg for money. Britain on the other hand has the massive advantage of having it's own currency so we can print our own money and do quantative easing similar to what the bank did the other day. We'd have to be careful not to lose our credit rating if it looked reckless though.

They must be right on the ball.. top marks for trying though.

I thought the delay was so the dire findings would get lost in the fog of the new measures.

Posh Royal reporter twit for telegraph turns Nostradamous. Thankfully she's behind a paywall. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/30/ignore-hype-keir-starmer-remains-unelectable/?s=09

Does very quick check.. Yep, you're right.

Let's have a game of call my bluff, or Russian roulette with a narcissistic madman. If we win we get back a slice of Eastern Ukraine, if we lose we get a nuclear war.

He's very good to his mates is Putes, if he likes you he'll help you gain oilfields, football clubs and untold wealth but if he takes a dislike to you it's just a small bottle of Novichok aftershave or one solitary para gliding lesson for your birthday.

Veteran Tory Roger Gayle said if this was a budget and it got voted down they'd have to resign and we"d be looking at an election. Unfortunately they framed it as a fiscal statement so it doesn't qualify.

Soubrys up for it,