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As much as I and I am sure we all would like to see it, the idea that abu dhabi are going to receive a meaningful punishment is IMHO fanciful.

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

It's spot on.

Without getting into a wools v scousers debate upto,I'd say the mid 90s,the ground was a majority of localish working class fans and out of towers who knew what it was like to support the team 

Its now filled with people from all over the globe who treat it as a day out and probably spend about 5 grand in liverworld each visit.

Making the ground bigger and filling it with that 2nd group certainly hasn't helped. 

You've summarised it better than i did!

I added this inbetween my original post and your reply.

The people who would likely be the modern day equivalent of those from that era and who would most likely keep those traditions alive/create new ones to sit alongside them are now a much smaller percentage of our crowd and are spread thinly across all four corners...

Far too many people in anny rd upper today strolling up steps 5 mins into 2nd half with armfuls of fucking hotdogs and coke...going the match for so many now is like going the pictures - sit back quietly in your seat with your hotdog, popcorn and coke and be entertained

Far too many people sitting in silence as songs started.

And frankly people may not like this and i will probably do a bad job of explaining it (i can do it verbally when discussing this with my mates but can't seem to find the words when it comes to writing it down) but also just not enough what i would describe as traditional (for want of a better phrase) Liverpool suppprters, and yeah this sounds horrible probably, but you can just tell by looking around that you aren't gonna get a rendition of "Poor Scouser Tommy" or "Every Other Saturday" or "Bertie Mee said to Bill Shankly" from so many.....

Yeah maybe those songs are old and belong in another era, but that is sort of the point sadly - the traditions have been lost, the people who created them displaced/replaced and the attitude behind those traditions and the behaviours changed in the ground beyond recognition and as a result 'our famous atmosphere' mostly only exists in  another bygone era.

The people who would likely be the modern day equivalent of those from that era and who would most likely keep those traditions alive/create new ones to sit alongside them are now a much smaller percentage of our crowd and are spread thinly across all four corners...

The people responsible for creating the atmosphere in the ground are overall a very different set of people, from a much, much more diverse set of demographics and who exist in an extremely different world and have very different behaviours to those who came before them.

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

I hoped we would cut our goal difference deficit to Arsenal today.

 

And we did!

Moyesesque from us!

8 points from our last 5 games - a poor return - even if it was 10 from 5 which is not exactly world beating form we'd be sound now.

2 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

We’ve just been beaten at home by Crystal Palace mate, finishing in the CL places will do for me.

I hear you. But until abu dhabi distorted what title races looked like title winning sides throughout history would often lose 5/6 games a season and those losses would include games at home to lower half sides and would sometimes occur during the run in....

Of course it looks a lot worse now than it did at kick off today, but all we can do is win the next game and then the one after that and so on.

Does it look likely now, no - sadly.

But whilst it is still in front of us then we have to chase it and hope.

The amount of inaccurate or overhit passes today was staggering.

So many poor balls into players that ended up going out of play too.

Just really sloppy.

1 minute ago, Dapower said:

But city would have to slip up twice because of GD?

Yeah but the slip up being a defeat would be enough

If and it is a very big if, we win our last 6 games we win this title.

Today was incredibly disappointing and worrying too, we look a spent team, we looked a spent team on Thurs and the performance today was sadly somewhat predictable.

Can we regroup and kick on? Only time will tell..

But I am totally convinced that if we were to win our last 6 the title would be ours.

Devoed.

First time my lad has seen us lose at the game.

We simply look like a team who have run out of steam...the warning signs have been there, but we always hope that we can somehow fight through it, but Thurs night I said to my mate that the manner of that defeat and how we looked had all the hallmarks for another defeat following it - and sadly I hate to say I was right.

I am having to keep my lads chin up when i need someone to keep mine up! 

Devoed.

Team that started at the toilet last week but with Alisson in goal seems to be the rumour....

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's 2%.

I know.

But there are always potentially people who are close to the line - and yeah you can argue if money is really tight then going the game would not be any sort of priority, I am just looking at it from a being decent perspective - you just never know and when games are coming thick and fast with all the other price increase pressures, there may be people who it causes a pinch point to.

I'd personally rather they upped the price of the scran and stuff they sell in ground - as that is overpriced already i would imagine (though never buy it myself) and it is not a necessity at game like a ticket for people, it is a choice and frankly one that the people making it can clearly easily afford as they are choosing to buy in ground as opposed to the much cheaper options available in the vicinity of the ground and other places en route...

10 hours ago, Lee909 said:

 

 

The new manager(seems certain to be Amorim) and his staff might be on less money but that will all be eaten up and more by having to pay release fees for them. 

With PSR/FFP rules clubs will be trying to add every penny they can to the books. And we are not a club that can cover that money with a made up sponsorship from a company with no staff based out of Abu Dhabi

 

I said my piece on it the other day and as I said I don't go to games so won't argue with those that do and have to fork out for it

I go semi regularly - and I am in all 3 ACS schemes.

I see no real justification for the rise in prices - but at same time I am fortunate enough for it not to be a problem for me in terms of affording it - I feel for anyone it may be a problem to.

There is literally no such thing as joint top.

Unless points are same, GD is same, GS is same and head to head points is same and goals scored in away game of head to head is same.

It basically does not exist really.

And the times in season it is possible i.e. in the early games - it does not matter anyway.

The laws seem to be that if it is holding and it starts outside area but continues without being broken into area it is pen but if not holding then it isn't.

This from The Athletic:

However, the contact was made outside the line of the penalty area with both players then landing inside the penalty area following the infringement.

The International Football Association Board’s (IFAB) laws of the game for the 2023-24 season for fouls and misconduct only state that infringements that take place outside the penalty area cannot be awarded as a penalty kick.

One aspect of the laws of the game says: “If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick.”

However, this was not applicable to the incident between Kambwala and Christie, as there was no ‘holding’ by the defensive player, with the only relevant contact for play to be stopped occurred outside the area.

3 minutes ago, aws said:

The foul started outside and might or might not have continued inside the area. But no way was it a clear and obvious error by the ref to give it. 

Clear and obvious is shite - used as a cop out to suit them.

Useless cunts.

Did they have any decent footage on MOTD of that Bournemouth overturned pen?

The bit I saw on Sky when they were showing VAR footage probed fuck all to me and I didn't see a Sky replay....

12 hours ago, manwiththestick said:

Mad plan this but how about we score the first goal dead early and then continue to score a few more during the game whilst also not conceding any.

 

It just might work.

What do you think this is 2019?

1 hour ago, VladimirIlyich said:

If you are from outside the area,probably with the exception of the Irish and Scots,then it will be very difficult to understand that feeling of being treated as 'outsiders' in your own country. Particularly if you come from abroad or a generally more typical town or city in the UK. This is possibly part of that fractured atmosphere at games.

It is ironic that the city where people are just the most different to people in the rest of the land attracts people from all over it to the football club.

5 minutes ago, Trumo said:

I think you're only allowed a maximum 20-man squad for PL games. We currently have 5 senior attacking options (3 to start, 2 on the bench) but none of them have offered a consistent goal threat recently (Diogo not through form but injury), so I'd be tempted to include Danns on the bench for the Palace game in place of one of them. 

I feel in a home game against a side in lower half of table he should be on bench as an option if needed as opposed to say having Gomez and Quansah or if Konate can't start after starting Thurs Gomez and Konate on bench given we now have all our full backs back.

Surely we only need 1 centre half on bench.

Gomez has been a linchpin this season - his verstaility has been so, so important with the injury problems we have had.

But for my money he could do with a rest and unless we need him to start at centre half (even though he is arguably a better full back now) then he starts on bench for me now given we have our full complement of full backs available now.

The club of course market off the back of the flags and the atmosphere (although frankly the atmosphere is dying and is only rarely great these days, but that is another whole discussion)

So i can absolutely see why withdrawing the flags has been done....but sadly even though a flag itself does not make any noise i feel it has a negative effect on the atmosphere and at a time when the team need every bit of help they can get from the stands, the timing is unfortunate.

The club could have easily froze prices again though...

Whoever replaces Klopp will be on a lot less money....as will the staff the new manager brings in compared to Lijnders et al.

Thiago won't be collecting 200k a week to post 'back soon' on twatter/instagram and i have a feeling the summer will be maybe the right time to sell Salah.

The overall wage bill will likely come down and by a fair bit....so squeezing an extra few quid from ticket prices is IMO not needed...especially when they are actively driving getting more 'spend per seat' by putting in place ticket selling strategies that get more daytrippers/tourists in ground....

I'll just refer back to what i said in the O.P.

My own view is that the crowd at Anfield demographically is now more 'divided' than it has ever been and therefore there is a lack of 'togetherness' and a lack of shared identity/mindsets/behaviours, and as a result, the overall atmosphere is fractured.

On 11/04/2024 at 15:10, Bruce Spanner said:

 

AEW will not be a going concern within 2/3 years.

About right.

Shame as strong competition pushes the industry leader - look at how WWF realised it had to change and did change in the late 90's when WCW was on fire.

A thriving AEW would be good for the industry - but sadly like Punk said they have a clown running it and children working there.

Fuck the mancs.