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The FA gathered the evidence, the FA charged Suarez, the FA set the commission and its boundrys, the FA had to prove Suarez guilty, the FA procecuted him using their own lawyers, the FA prepared Evra, the FA convicted Suarez, the FA doled out the punishment, the FA put together and released the written reasons. I really can't think how you can consider the whole thing a stitch up :whistle:

I've downloaded the game from 3 different broadcasters, it wasn't helpful at all in deciding who said what to who in the goalmouth. This is the espn recording if you put the normal h t t p : / / before this smg.photobucket.com/albums/v732/redhussar/?action=view&current=MyMovie-7.mp4 you can view it, as you are admin you can review it, ensure it is what i say it is, and then post it :yes: I asked the lawyer question to myself, wondering why he was so poor, the report reads as though he was weak, ill prepared, failed preparing Suarez and flimsey in his aguements. There is a simple answer to that. We do not know if he was poor, we only have the commissions words making him look poor. The written reasons is the commissions reason why they have already found Suarez guilty. It is not a transcript of all what happened or what was said. Our lawyer may well have ripped Giggs and Evra apart on this very point and others, the commission doesn't have to tell anyone that, and the Club is not allowed to discuss it, so you have what looks like a unfair onesided 115 page document and I don't understand why anyone thinks/thought we were going to get a fair or balanced report. Because they found him guilty they do not have to release evidence that raises doubt about their conviction or evidence showing our lawyer, Suarez or club in a good light, they have to put out heavily biased reason why he's guilty, giving away nothing that could lead to Liverpool appealing. It really is a waste of time and engery saying "but its unfair" "what about Terry" "what about cultural/language diff" or anything else because this whole case is one mans word against another, one of them is a liar and Suarez was found guilty of being the liar. Now he's been found guilty, the only way of clearing Suarezs name is to prove Evra is the liar and that teammates lied to support his allegation. I think this evidence proves he is a liar, and at least one of his teammates did lie for him.

The issue is this conversation Giggs: "whats up" Evra: "he called me black" Giggs: "did you tell the ref" Evra: "yes" Giggs: "did he hear it" Evra: "No I don't think so" Allegedly took place after Giggs spoke to the ref, the ref told Giggs to "calm Patrice down" and before Giggs says "Calm down you're gonna get sent off" This whole incident, charge and conviction is based on who says what and when they said it, the commission uses video footage to back up their conviction that Suarez racially abused Evra even though the video footage in the goalmouth does not conclusively prove Evras allegation. It isn't just the fact that it didn't take place, but also Giggs evidence that he at this time indicated that to him it was obvious from looking at Evra that he was upset. Saying "Evra did not seem quite with it, you might call it red mist" The commission uses this "conversation" to find because Evra spoke to Giggs about why he was upset, the rest of Evras story was more likely to be correct. If the Giggs "conversation" didn't take place, it means both Giggs and Evra have fabricated it to support Evras allegations. This does need further investigation, I hope someone reads this who has better contacts than I.

Sorry my first post is on this subject. The thread is clearing Luis name and the only way of doing that is by proving Evra lied. I've read every word of the written reasons and though I find most of it annoying because I don't agree with their findings, there is this part which raises major questions about the evidence given in written statements and the player’s testimony at the commission. Read the written reasons para 111-114, it deals with the refs/Evra/Giggs/Kuyts accounts of the Evra yellow card. 111. The corner came to nothing and the ball went out of play with Manchester United being awarded a goal kick. As the players moved up field, there was an exchange between Mr Evra and Mr Kuyt. The referee called Mr Evra over and gave him a yellow card. Mr Giggs spoke to the referee about the caution and then spoke to Mr Evra. 112. The evidence of Mr Marriner about this incident was as follows. In the 65th minute of the game, he had to issue a caution to Mr Evra after he saw him push Mr Kuyt in the chest following a coming together. Mr Evra was clearly upset and mentioned that he was being called "black". Mr Marriner did not hear whether Mr Evra said who was calling him "black" and he did not understand what Mr Evra was referring to at the time. Mr Evra made no other comment to the referee. 113. Mr Evra described the booking in the following way. Mr Kuyt told him to stop diving so Mr Evra pushed him away. The referee called Mr Evra over to book him. Mr Evra asked the referee why he was booking him and the referee said it was because he had pushed Mr Kuyt. When he was being booked, Mr Evra told the referee again that he had been called black. Mr Evra added that after booking him, the referee spoke to Ryan Giggs. Mr Giggs then asked Mr Evra what was wrong and Mr Evra told him that he had been called black. Mr Giggs told Mr Evra to calm down and not get sent off. 114. Mr Giggs gave evidence before us. He said that he was reasonably close to the referee and after he had shown Mr Evra the yellow card, Mr Giggs approached the referee and asked him why he had booked Mr Evra. The referee said to Mr Giggs "just calm Patrice down". Mr Giggs then moved away from the referee and towards Mr Evra. It was obvious to Mr Giggs from looking at Mr Evra that he was upset. He said that Mr Evra did not seem quite with it, you might call it red mist. Mr Giggs said to Mr Evra "what's happened?". Mr Evra replied "he called me black". Mr Giggs assumed that Mr Evra was speaking about Mr Kuyt since he had just been booked for some kind of tussle with Mr Kuyt. Mr Giggs said to Mr Evra "did the ref hear it?", to which Mr Evra replied "I don't think so". Mr Giggs then told Mr Evra to calm down and not get himself sent off. That’s what was said at the commission, this is their report, their words I am using. So we (the general public) are led to believe that Giggs was told by the ref to calm Patrice down and he went directly to Evra and had this conversation with: Giggs: "whats up" Evra: "he called me black" Giggs: "did you tell the ref" Evra: "yes" Giggs: "did he hear it" Evra: "No I don't think so" Giggs: "Calm down you're gonna get sent off" This is later used as proof by the commission to find Suarez guilty of racial abuse. Saying at one point 268. In contrast, Mr Evra’s evidence was not shown to be inconsistent with the facts established by other evidence, such as the video footage, in any material respect. All well and good, until you actually watch the video footage from this particular incident. I've got a clip on my photobucket account but newbies cannot post URL's, game time 64:15, anyone with a game vid can watch it You can clearly see Evra getting booked, clearly Giggs spoke to the ref and clearly Giggs says something to Evra, I am no lip reader but I'd suggest it is "Calm down you're gonna get sent off", there is no "what’s up" "did you tell the ref" "did he hear it", and Evra responds to Giggs just once, so he could not have said "he called me black "yes" and "No I don't think so" and rather than noting Evra looked like he lost it, red mist blah blah, Giggs looks pretty peeved with Evra himself. This "conversation" never took place, Giggs has lied in his witness statement and no one seems to have picked up on it or questioned the inconsistency at this point of the written reasons. As both Evra and Giggs say it took place it means they have colluded to fabricate a story to fit Evras allegations. This casts a HUGE doubt over Evras "credibility" to tell the truth and shows his ability to coerce others to lie for and with him. I've sent emails to the Echo with this evidence which I believe shows that Evra and Giggs lied, asking them to investigate further and print it, to date I've been ignored so I've decided to come on here and see if this particular incident has been brought up before and if it hasn't then please give this info to someone with a bit of clout to bring it to a wider audience, if not then just add it to the ever growing list of inconsistency. :wallbutt: Apologies for the length of the post.