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Their product is debt though, so there's nothing really tangible to buy. My own take, is that if this was a short term move then it wouldn't have been dealt with like this. All that needed to happen was that Barclays provide a credit note to RBS saying "don't worry - we've got this. We are dealing with an imminent sale and we will guarantee anything they owe until this is done. We anticipate a 2-3 month turn around" Instead, they've loaded more debt on to the club (higer interest payments to line their own pockets), and have become almost a partner. This in no way whatsoever looks anything like a short-term agreement. They loaded us with £350m of debt in 07/08. We've had re-finance after re-finance, no transfer kitty's, money taken from the stadium fund that has gone up in smoke, and we've brought that figure down to £300m in 2/3 years. It really bothers me that he's a Chelsea season ticket holder, too. His job is to find a buyer willing to spend a certain price, he's not interested what that buyer does with us after that, and whether the new owner loads us up with the purchase debt. He won't be picking the owner that will do the best by us, he's doing the best by the person that will cross their greasy palms with the most silver. It's complete divide and conquer by the owners here. They take themselves out the firing line by appearing to do what the fans want, but in doing so, they got every single dollar back and they are now looking for a £150m profit.......each, for fucking ruining us. If I had a terminal disease, I'd get all "Saw" on their fat cat asses. Fucking hell, I seriously wish them a slow and painful death.

Let's just say, that if someone employed me to sell Chelsea, I wouldn't do too god a job. I'd get them sold, but I wouldn't pick anyone that would add to our worries.

The very same. Just imagine the level of gobshite you've got to be, in order to "tell tales" on your colleagues and peers, to the absolute cunt who refuses to speak to half of the journos' and treats the other half with absolute contempt. This rat needs to be found.

I bet that cunt on the bus was Daniel Taylor.

I think that's ok, the unacceptably damning side of it is when we go there to play for draws or to "nick" a victory. Truly a sorry state.

That's some shaky ground you're on there. Even yesterday, we started off playing hoofball yet again. After the run in to last season, the optimism was maybe a little too high, especially considering our summer business (I think he was royally fucked over and had funds withdrawn from his kitty), but he wasted the money he was given. The Roman has been an unmitigated disaster, and I have no comprehension as to why, when his team were discussing the purchase that they thought a player struggling to play 13 league games a season in Italy, would have the capacity to play in 38 in England. We lack pace, yet he could have signed someone like cattermole do the job that Lucas has done this year, and then made another signing, we are 2 teams - defenders and defensive midfielders = 7 players, then we have 4 players to try and score goals, retain possession (and do a bit of defending too) and carry our attack. As our situation becomes more desperate, the constant hoofball is not good enough. We could well end up in mid-table in a couple of years, and that is something I am braced for. I just can't see anyone prising the owners away untill they get a payday, and I can't see anyway stupid enough to give them a payout on their fantasy future values. Therefore, the need to actually have some decent footie to watch will become even more necessary, imagine watching this drivel when we're fighting for top 10. No thanks.

Possession? What's that Does it involve hoofing it 70 yards?

We've already retreated like it's an away game

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Make no mistake, Mourinho was kicked out of Chelsea. You can dress it up however you like, but he was kicked out. I didn't credit him with the CL final, but he left a pretty well oiled machine of a team (GH in no way did). I'm not a huge fan of his ego either, but it might just be big enough to carry us with him for a season or three, just to get over the finishing line on a title push. Let's face it, if the owners remain here for a few more years, we won't have any Istanbuls' for a long, long time. But I'd fancy him to get more out of the current team, and that extra 20% might just get us one title in the next 2 years, before this team is completely sold off to pay for debt and a half empty stadium. Considering he is all about himself, the team spirit in that Chelsea team was there for all to see. I also think in the modern day football, with multi-millionaire footballers, it's still the strongest managers that do the best. I don't think he'd drop us for a better offer as he'd love to succeed here, but if it did go tits up one year into a new 5 year contract then I think he'd leave, I don't think it'd be a question of worrying about a massive pay off. But who knows? We're both speculating at this stage. I just think we'd be wrong to rule out a manager who can the best out of his teams, but I don't think he'll end up here anyway.

UEM definitely said it.

Times are different . There weren't any 24hr sports news channels repeating comments on a 15minute loop and creating controversy. How do you think Everton fans would have reacted if it was Rafa who said that there are only two teams in Liverpool? and If Everton were playing at the bottom of his garden, he'd close the curtains? That sort of is my point, we look back idealistically to Shanks, when the times were different then, other fans would hate him today for being an arrogant Whiskey-faced cunt. ("he needs to worry about his own fucking players, rather than having a go at ours"). We are the same - Shanks used any method he could to try and get an any advantage over the opposition, in many ways, Mourinho is no different. He has overstepped the mark on a few occasions, but I dare say, that if the great Shanks had a microphone following him around in the same fashion, he might have said a few things, too, in the heat of the moment. The things you love your own manager for, are generally the reasons that other teams would hate him.

My point was - if Shanks wasn't ours, we'd have hated him with the way he belittled opposing teams, and ignored injured players etc. I don't think you really read/understood my point. Rafa gets called a cunt on a daily basis - read enough posts and you'll see it. It's perfectly OK to call Jose a cunt, but it's not realistic to belittle his achievements - which was the aim of the post I replied to. I don't think we're the worst fans, but we're certainly not the best anymore. Anfield is silent unless it's a big CL game and half the Kop prevents any kind of protesting about the ownership issue. It's like herding cats. Stoke city get their ground rocking, as did Portsmouth before they had their shit to completely demoralise them.

Fuck all in Europe since '04? You sure? He's reached three semi-finals and the Chelsea team he was kicked out of (he did not walk away) were losing finalists during the season he left. Let's just assume for one second, that you are right about him valuing his own reputation above the clubs, how do you think he plans on keeping his stock high? Will he do that by failure or success? I think he's an arrogant cunt, but I won't confuse that with rubbishing his abilities. It's ok harping back constantly to the days of Paisley and Shanks, but we sound like scum fans reminiscing about Busby during their 26 year wait. When teams like them/us get stuck in a vicious cycle of under achievement, when the players and managers are so burdened by the weight of history and the club legends from the past, then it needs something/someone different. Someone who rises above the history and rates themselves as either better than or the equal of former legends. Slur did it at the toilet, and Jose would do it here. Let's not kid ourselves, Shanks was a master of kidology, but if he were alive and managing Chelsea/City/Scum today, we'd hate his guts. He'd be getting called all sorts on this forum. Fucks sake, a CL winning manager gets called a cunt on a daily basis by numerous posters, how do you think we'd all react to shanks comparing himself to Napoleon, and telling the press that he wants to build Chelsea up and up and up so everyone would have to submit, give in? Shanks was great because he was ours, but he was far more of a rent-a-quote than Fergie or Jose. So we can all continue to bang the drum about how special a club we are, and stick our noses in the air whilst demeaning the achievements of (currently) more successful clubs. The aura of mystique around our club is dying. We've been dragged through the mud since February 07, by the owners/Rafa/Parry/Moores/Purslow, an until someone with a big enough personality comes in a grabs us by the scruff of the neck and drags us with him, we are destined to hover where we are, or slide further behind. Pretty soon, if the owners remain in charge, all we'll have are some of the best footie memories around and youtube clips. What happens over the next few generations will be decided in the 10yr period from 2005-2015. Right now, I'd sell my soul and my grandmother to deliver us back to the summit, but more realistically, I'd settle for a proven winner, with a massive personality to come and drag us kicking and screaming into the modern football era. One thing that we definitely need to change around our club, though, is the supporters obsession with the cult of "Football Manager," we do it constantly and it only makes it harder when it comes to making a change. I believe most of the vitriol that gets thrown at Rafa is because we invest too much emotionally in our managers, and it feels like we've been cheated when it turns sour.

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One thing that's always confused me, especially considering Rafas' penchant for trying to control games, is the worst way possible to do this is by launching it 60-70 yards every time we have a couple of seconds on the ball. It just keeps coming back with only 10-12 seconds of possession for us each time. Why we don't get players closer together and try and use triangles to try and both, keep the ball off them for a couple of minutes, and quieten the crowd and atmosphere down. There is always an inevitability about our conceding goals, we just let momentum build against us.

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He's a fucking snake, mate. Purslow is out for Purslow, if we happen to benefit in the process all well and good, but I don't hold any hope in the man - he's a sneaky fucking liar, who has been shown up as a liar on different occasions.

If only we hadn't been saying this since Parry started hawking us to Despots abroad.