Johnson says he wants to get all schools back in September, after a summer of catch-up. And it won’t just be a summer of catch-up. Pupils will get help for months and months to come.
Q: Is relaxing the two-metre rule a political decision? And are you willing to ignore your scientific advisers?
Johnson says there is a balance of risk to be struck. It is important to get the rate down. Only one in 1,000 has it. But it is not down yet as far as he would like, he says.
Vallance says two metres is not a rule. It is a scientific assessment of risk. Other factors are relevant, such as time and mitigating factors in place. All those need to be taken into account. It is wrong to portray that as a scientific rule, two metre or nothing. That is not what the advice is now.
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5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:
Yep yet you still get sad little hypocrites kicking off that their beloved has been challenged.
She looks like the epitome of a female 'Boris' fan.
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Here we go, pressure on Johnson from his loonie MPs to reduce the 2 metre rule, and lo and behold their pet scientist sets it up to be relaxed-
Vallance says two metres not a fixed scientific rule
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25 minutes ago, Nunavut Patrick said:
I’m offended.
For the record Ginger all day over Maryanne. So there. I love gingers and I’m sick.
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28 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:
And disingenuously.
I thought you said you hadn't read it?
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16 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:
This is still an appalling mismanagement and every death, at this point, is blood on the hands of a tragically incompetent government.Lets not celebrate ‘less than a thousand infections’ let’s be fucking incandescent that this is still happening, no matter what the number.
We can’t let apathy seep in, they have fucked this up, badly.
This isn’t a dig at you in any way, but I’ve noticed a certain nonchalance that’s creeping in.
We’re still much, much higher than any competent handling would have had us and we mustn’t forget that.
I'm not nonchalant at all mate, I'm really worried that we're setting ourselves up for a second wave which will be worse than this one as there won't be any political will to lockdown again. And you're right, the infection rate is still way too high for track and trace to be effective (plus it's run by fucking Serco).
The only bright spot for me is that the numbers in Scotland are pretty much halving each week- there's only been 2 new infections in the health board area where I live since Saturday and 44 across the whole country since Sunday- and Sturgeon is head and shoulders above Johnson. England looks an utter shambles though.
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2 hours ago, Spy Bee said:
A mortality rate of 1.5% is just bollocks, but I simple said "You can say that again" because SD double posted. I didn't even bother reading it.
Looking like 109 deaths today from what I can gather. Down from 359 last week.
You should do. It's well set out and a good warning not to be complacent about things at this stage. As for the mortality rate, no one knows what that actually is or will be, he's just extrapolating from available data.
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4 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:
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Yep. Getting close to dipping under 1000 new infections a day though, which (horrifically) is at least something positive.
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14 minutes ago, Karl_b said:
People that shout at nurses and treat them like shit. Fuck you, you lowlife asshat.
You been watching lesbian BDSM hospital porn too?
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46 minutes ago, mattyq said:
Interesting article but a little terrifying.
Focuses mainly on how Sweden have dealt with it all (badly) but mentions the UK a lot (in disparaging terms)
Reckons that covid is about 50 times worse than a flu outbreak
Death rates 0.5 - 1.5% of those infected and many more become seriously ill
Effects can last a lifetime on survivors especially blood clots on lung
To reach herd immunity 0.4 - 1.0% of country's population will die. In the UK 270.000 - 680.000 so best estimate we're about a quarter of the way there
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-should-we-aim-for-herd-immunity-like-sweden-b1de3348e88b
It's almost as though trying to stop people infecting each other with a dangerous virus is actually quite a good idea
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Johnson's apparently getting some unrest at his handling of Covid-19 from his own MPs. Not so much at the thousands of deaths, the late lockdown, the PPE disaster, care homes, Cummings etc, more that he's not opening the economy and schools up more quickly and won't overrule scientists regarding social distancing. Death cult.
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Ban this sick filth.
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You need to leave the poor man alone, he's very busy selling us all to the US- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/boris-johnson-trade-deal-us-chlorinated-chicken - and making sure we can do fuck all about it.
Boris Johnson's US trade deal will make Britain a paradise for disaster capitalists
Chlorinated chicken is just the start. The government intends to rip up food standards, public services and public protections
The Conservative manifesto made a clear promise. It pledged that in the government’s trade talks, “we will not compromise on our high environmental protection, animal welfare and food standards”. Just six months after the election, the promise has been ditched. Our government is now proposing that chlorine-washed chicken, beef treated with growth hormones, pork from animals injected with a drug that makes their meat leaner, called ractopamine, and scores of other foods produced in the United States by dangerous, cruel and disgusting means will be allowed into this country, as long as higher trade taxes (tariffs) are applied to them.
The trade secretary, Liz Truss, has made it clear that any such tariffs would be removed within 10 years. It’s impossible to see the American trade negotiators allowing them to pass in the first place. The US intends to secure “comprehensive” access to our food markets, while “reducing or eliminating tariffs”. This nonsense about higher tariffs is a blatant attempt to soften us up, to sugar the toxic pill of US imports that don’t meet our standards. When I say sugar, I mean high-fructose corn syrup.
It’s not as if our standards are wonderful. But by comparison to the revolting practices in the US, our food rules, laid down by the European Union, are a haven of sanity. As well as washing chicken flesh with chlorine to compensate for the filthy conditions in which it is raised and processed, and injecting dangerous substances into cattle and pigs, Big Farmer and Big Food in the US use 72 pesticides that are banned in the UK and food colourings that have been linked to hyperactivity in children, impose no limits on the amount of sugar in baby food and permit cow’s milk to contain twice the amount of pus that the UK allows.
What this all means is that we will bring into this country food whose production is banned here. Either our farmers and food processors will be outcompeted, or our domestic production standards will be brought down to match. Some Conservative MPs attempted to insert an amendment into the agriculture bill last month to uphold the manifesto promise. But it was decisively slapped down by government loyalists. The bill returns to the House of Commons on Wednesday.
The US government argues that these matters should be left to consumers. We should each be allowed to decide whether we buy cheap vegetables containing residues of pesticides that are banned here. But I suspect that, rather than having to read and interpret the labels on everything we buy from shops, takeaways and restaurants, most of us would prefer to know that all the food on sale is safe to eat. Anyway, just in case we did try to exercise such choice, the US also insists that all useful labelling be banned. Perversely, it has argued that warning labels are “harmful” to public health.
This doesn’t end with food. In the same section of their manifesto, the Conservatives promised that “in our trade talks … the NHS is not on the table. The price the NHS pays for drugs is not on the table. The services the NHS provides are not on the table.” The leaked dossier of trade documents released by the Labour party last year revealed that the US was seeking “full market access” to the NHS. If the promised food and farming standards were a lie, how long will it be before we discover that the NHS pledge was also worthless?
I suspect this has been the agenda all along. The neoliberal extremists who populate the front benches have long sought to rip down our public protections, rip down our public services, rip down everything that stands in the way of the most vicious form of capitalism. A trade deal with the US allows them to do so while disclaiming responsibility for the consequences. Once they have signed it, they can claim that, sadly, their hands are tied. They could say that unfortunately, the rules don’t allow us to maintain food standards and force us to open the NHS to competition. Perhaps mistakes were made during the negotiations but it’s a done deal now, enforced by legal instruments, and there’s nothing we can do. They know they could never obtain public consent for these policies. A US trade deal would impose them without consent.
Even parliamentary consent is unnecessary. The trade bill, which has now reached the committee stage in the House of Commons, makes no provision for parliamentary scrutiny of any deal. Parliament has no legal right under this bill to debate or vote on a trade deal, or even to know what it contains. The bill also grants the government Henry VIII powers to change the law on trade agreements without parliamentary approval. The governments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are granted no formal role in negotiating or approving trade treaties. In other words, nothing is being left to chance. This is not democracy. This is elective dictatorship.
To make matters worse, the US is likely to insist that the deal is enforced by an offshore tribunal, which allows corporations to sue governments if domestic law affects their “future anticipated profits”. This mechanism has been used all over the world to punish nations for laws their parliaments have passed. It ensures that, over time, legislation everywhere has to be tailored to the demands of corporate power. Far from taking back control, a trade deal on these lines with the US involves a massive renunciation of sovereign power.
The government knows that accepting such a deal means no deal with the EU. US food rules are incompatible with EU standards. In the leaked documents, US officials remark that “there would be all to play for in a no-deal situation”. I suspect our government sees it the same way.
The pigheaded obstructionism of the UK in the current EU talks is at stark odds with its willingness to prostrate itself before US power. Dominic Cummings says he intends to stay in his post as adviser at No 10 for the next six months. In other words, he will stay for long enough to ensure that the transition period for leaving the EU is not extended, making a no-deal Brexit more likely.
Just as Donald Trump seeks to erase Barack Obama’s legacy, Boris Johnson and Cummings seek to erase Clement Attlee’s much deeper legacy. It’s not about sovereignty. It’s not about taking back control. It’s not about British values or British autonomy. It’s about locking deregulation and the demolition of public services in place, by means that cannot be challenged by either people or parliament. The combination of a no-deal Brexit and a coercive US trade agreement will allow the government to rip down a wide range of rules and protections, creating a paradise for the disaster capitalists funding the party, and hell for the rest of us. They intend to pursue this agenda regardless of the pandemic, regardless of a food standards petition that has already gained 800,000 signatures, regardless of the economic and political harm it might do. This is their game, and we must use every democratic means to stop it.-
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1 minute ago, Scott_M said:
Should be a short meeting.
"Far too early."
"Yeah, fuck that."
"Same time next week? Sharon, can you ring down for the lunch trolley please?"
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23 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:
Wow, an actual realistic post, and there are still fools hanging on to the conspiracy theories. Plus at least one dickhead ready to blame CV 19 for Everton not being able to expand and dominate the world like they were poised to.
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6 minutes ago, Scott_M said:
They think the infection rate is still higher than that, I’m sure I read between 5-6k per day last week.Divide that by 100 and it’s still 50-60 deaths per day going forwards - which is roughly what England hospital only are currently on.
I don’t get how the below and the quoted can be so different though. Scotland, Wales and NI are minimal numbers...
Well the deaths announced each day actually happened over a number of days, sometimes even weeks, so the last 5 days in particular on that graph will fill up over the next week or so. Also, that's hospital deaths only.
As for the infection figures, they're only ones identified as a result of a test, the actual figures are unknown but obviously will be higher.
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15 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:
It's going to be slow though isn't it? The R rate is barely below 1.
Yep, they really should have kept it up for another few weeks. Dickheads.
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4 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:
Tis a bit odd that it's coming out now.
I'm starting to wonder if the outbreak actually occurred in Stenhousemuir. The hospital car park there was half empty when I went for an out patient's appointment in March; at the repeat in October, it was fucking rammed and I had to park miles away. Not definitive proof, but deeply suspicious.
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6 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:
Coronavirus: Satellite traffic images may suggest virus hit Wuhan earlier
That's erm, a tad tenuous.
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There were 324 deaths and 1600-odd new infections reported last Tuesday. It's still coming down but pretty slowly.
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15 minutes ago, Rotpeter said:
Klopp has mentioned the situation with him a couple of times. It sounds like his body can't handle our levels of intensity.
Wow, that's probably the last thing you'd expect, he's built like a brick shithouse. A little one like, but still.
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8 hours ago, dockers_strike said:
Xherdhan Shaqiri is another who will depart with Newcastle keen on signing the Switzerland international. He, however, will command a substantial fee.
Real shame about Shaqiri. I wonder why he's been sidelined so much, he's looked pretty good whenever he's played and seems to have a good attitude.
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I never particularly found any of them all that attractive. The ginger one had nice tits though.
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1 hour ago, cloggypop said:
Mudhoney facemasks available here
Touch me, I'm sick.
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They do, but we were told it needed to be 2m here. Other than the Tories getting restive, there doesn't seem to be a reason to change it, certainly nothing scientific.