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  1. 4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

    No I wouldn't have angry because its obviously not good for jobs, workers rights and the country in general. However I believe a withdrawal negotiated by Corbyn/Starmer could have been possible and kept our relationship with the eu cordial and workable. 

    For "jobs, workers' rights and the country in general" Labour Govt in EU > Labour Govt out of EU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tory Govt in EU>>>>>>>>>>> Tory Govt out of EU. 


  2. 4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

    No I wouldn't have.

     

    You didnt answer my question. I will ask again.

     

    So would you rather a Thatcher government in the eu or a socialist labour government led by Foot out of the eu? That was the choice that faced the country in 83/4. 

     

    Which one angry?

     

    It's not even a hard question and your fluffing it over a slag who threw millions on the dole and sold off Britains industries because of your pathetic love affair with the eu.

    1. It's a stupid question. 

    2. Had I been a year older, I would have voted Labour.  Obviously. 

    3. The straight choice in 2016 was between remaining in the EU or handing untrammelled power to the right wing of the Tory Party. 

    4.  There's a long list of things I hate about Thatcher. The fact she was a woman isn't one of them. No need for the misogynistic language. 


  3. 3 hours ago, Mook said:

    There were loads of successful guitar bands about at the time but not inspiring kids to pick up guitars like Oasis did.

     

    Oasis were the mid 90s equivalent to The Beatles or Sex Pistols in terms of getting kids starting bands across Britain. Easy chords & a singer with a bit of charisma goes a long way.

    That's a good point.  In the early 90s, nobody listened to Suede and thought "I could do that". Skiffle, punk and Oasis's simplistic riffs (and truly daft lyrics) gave the impression of being fun and easy: irresistible, really.


  4. 37 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

    But that wasnt the choice Angry was it? Come on now you know your history

     

     A labour government who promised to pull out of the eu in its first term or a Thatcher government who chose to stay in. That was the choice and until the Falklands we looked certain to be leaving.

     

    Go on put me out of my misery which one was/is it?

    So, you're happy to concede that, had you voted in 2016, you would have chosen the package of Brexit plus the Johnson/Gove/Rees-Mogg wing of the Tory Party?


  5. 43 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

    You saw them poor fuckers bundled on that plane to Britain when we were rife with Covid, all legal so that's ok then.

     

    You carry condoning this shit Angry. I'm out 

     

     

    https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/17/invisible-workers-underpaid-exploited-and-put-at-risk-on-europe-s-farms

    As you know, I have never condoned any attacks on workers' rights.  Please stop lying about that: it makes you look like a cunt. 

    On the other hand, you have consistently supported removing  (at least some) workers' rights since the first time you posted on this thread. I'll never condone that shit.

     

    Now...

    You said that UK Governments hide behind the EU when it comes to workers' rights - that they claim that they want to improve workers' rights, but the EU are stopping them. You even went as far as to claim that Margaret Thatcher said this.

    I'll ask again; is there any chance that you, who are so fond of posting links, could post a link to back up that nonsense?


  6. 35 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

     

    Oh come on angry for fuvks sake, they've done it for years. Got to have a bogey man. I shouldn't have to remind you of this slag.. but you've made me 

     

     

    Thatcher. No no no speech.

     

    Was going to put up clip but not fair to let others rather yourself see her face 

     

    What the actual fuck?

     

    Did you just claim that Thatcher gave a speech saying that she wanted to improve workers' rights but the EU were stopping her?

     

    Please. Post that link!


  7. 37 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

    Some were, not all. Were the Romanian farm workers flown in on charter planes at the start of the pandemic illegal Angry?

    No. That's why I never said they were.

     

    Modern slavery is illegal and everyone who knows anything about the subject knows that giving migrant workers rights is key to fighting modern slavery and people trafficking. Leaving the EU takes rights away from migrant workers.  You have drawn your own conclusion from these facts, but it's anybody's guess how you got there.


  8. 27 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

     

    I’m dreadful at every sport I’ve ever tried

    I dream of kicking a football and having it travel the approximate direction and distance I intended.

     

    That thing that the professionals do all the time, where someone pings a ball 40 yards and it lands exactly where a teammate is and he just kills it stone dead on his foot - that’s done with CGI. It has to be.

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  9. 49 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

    The eu obviously. My point is the government won it now the government owns it, it's out in the open now. The old saying of give a fool enough rope springs to mind with this lot 

    Oh yes.

    I expect the S*n, Mail, Express, LBC, BBC, etc to start shining the harsh cold light of truth on the Government...

    ... any...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    ... minute...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    ... now!

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  10. 38 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

    But nearly all our rights were indeed won before we entered the eu Angry, not an opinion that's a fact. 

     

    Working conditions in today's Britain are fucking awful now even in the eu, look at the conditions in the sweatshops in the Midlands, youngsters on zero hour contracts or overseas slaves picking vegetables. 

     

    If a tory government wants to take away workers rights they should be made to understand by unions, workers, the labour party and the general public that their proposals will be opposed and they can use the excuse of blaming the European union. They are out in the open.

    They never used the excuse of blaming the EU for UK workers having the worst rights in the EU.  They specifically negotiated opt-outs, to ensure we had worse rights. There was never any doubt that they would have attacked our rights even more if they weren't held back by the minimum standards imposed at EU level. 

     

    The bottom line is that Brexit means that UK workers have lost rights and protections and have gained fuck all in return. 


  11. There are some bands (like Pink Floyd, ABBA or Radiohead, for example) that do nothing for me, but I can see the argument that they are objectively good - in terms of musicianship, songwriting, versatility, originality, ambition, influence, etc.

     

    Conversely, there are some bands that I really like, but they don't have those qualities, so I wouldn't claim that they should be considered "great"?

     

    So, what is it about AC/DC that justifies their place in the latest stages of this tournament?


  12. 2 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

    And so it begins, welcome to Brexitania...

     

    The ink isn’t even dry and they looking to destroy hard fought workers rights.

     

    Fuck you and your race to the bottom economy, cunts.

     

    ‘Worker protections enshrined in EU law — including the 48-hour week — would be ripped up under plans being drawn up by the government as part of a post-Brexit overhaul of UK labour markets. 


    The package of deregulatory measures is being put together by the UK’s business department (Beis) with the approval of Downing Street, according to people familiar with the matter. It has not yet been agreed by ministers — or put to the cabinet — but select business leaders have been sounded out on the plan.

    The proposed shake-up of regulations from the “working time directive” will delight many Tory MPs but is likely to spark outrage among Britain’s trade union leaders.

     

    The move would potentially mark a cleardivergence from EU labour market standards but the UK would only face retaliation from Brussels under the terms of its new post-Brexit trade treaty if the EU could demonstrate the changes had a material impact on competition. The main areas of focus are on ending the 48-hour working week, tweaking the rules around rest breaks at work and not including overtime pay when calculating some holiday pay entitlements, according to people familiar with the plans. The government also wants to remove the requirement of businesses to log the detailed, daily reporting of working hours, saving an estimated £1bn. 


    The government insisted that any reforms would be designed to help both companies and their employees — and put to a full consultation — saying it had no intention of “lowering” workers’ rights.  “The UK has one of the best workers’ rights records in the world,” a government spokesperson said. “Leaving the EU allows us to continue to be a standard setter and protect and enhance UK workers’ rights.”

     

    But Ed Miliband, Labour’s business secretary, said the proposals were a “disgrace” at a time when so many people were worried about their jobs.  “In the midst of the worst economic crisis in three centuries, ministers are preparing to tear up their promises to the British people and taking a sledgehammer to workers’ rights,” he said.  “Workers in the UK are the primary beneficiaries of the very positive judgments of the European courts,” said an official at the Trades Union Congress, adding that any attempt to “whittle down and narrow” the interpretation of European law “is a concern because it amounts to a diminution of rights”.  EU officials have said that decisions on whether to trigger tariffs and other “rebalancing measures” against the UK under the recently-signed post-Brexit trade deal would depend on the practical effects of policy decisions.

     

    Brussels has often highlighted labour market standards as a core issue for the “level playing field” that the deal is meant to uphold, but regulation of working time at EU level is patchy, with Brussels seeking repeatedly to shore up how the directive is applied. Britain, along with many EU countries, opted out from enforcing the 48-hour limit on the working week as a member state. 


    The government points out that the UK often “gold plates” EU minimum standards — such as offering 5.6 weeks of annual leave compared with the EU requirement of 4 weeks.  But in a call with 250 leading business figures earlier this month, prime minister Boris Johnson urged industry to get behind plans for future regulatory liberalisation after Brexit — to the delight of many free marketeers in his cabinet.


    Matt Kilcoyne, deputy head of the free market Adam Smith Institute, welcomed the proposals — saying the current “one size fits all” 48-hour rule was a “straitjacket on the economy”. Yet there will be nerves at the top of government about how a shake-up of employment rights will be received among low-paid working class voterswho backed the Tories in northern “Red Wall” seats in the December 2019 general election. 

     

    A change in the calculation of holiday pay could be “a significant monetary loss” for a low paid worker often forced into overtime to make ends meet, the TUC official said.  It is also not clear that business, which is already adjusting to Brexit and battling the fallout from the Covid-19 pandemic, is currently clamouring for a fundamental overhaul of workers’ rights.’

     

     

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/55588f86-a4f8-4cf3-aecb-38723b787569

    This is the point where Gnash reminds us that workers' rights weren't handed to us by the EU, but were won by the working class through centuries of struggle: therefore, we shouldn't worry about losing loads of rights, because we can just start a long struggle to regain them. Or something. 

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  13. 2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

    They inspired plenty of artists to pick up the guitar in the same way otehr bands inspired Ossis to do the same. You see, thats how it works. Most British bands of the last 20 years will cast Oasis as one of their inspirations to get into music. Oasis were massive and a huge influence on a generation. No matter what your Kraftwerk shagging hipster "oh its cool to slag oasis off" outlook is, they were massive. 

    Oasis were massive in the sense that they shifted plenty of units.  They may have inspired plenty of people to think that catchy guitar riffs were a surefire route to drugs and fanny, but they never fired anyone's creative impulses.

     

    Someone like the Velvet Underground sold comparatively nowt, but they were genuinely inspirational in a way that Oasis just weren't. 

     

    Even in terms of the ripple effect of inspiring people to form bands, Oasis are lots of storeys below Lonnie Donegan or a single Sex Pistols gig in Manchester. 


  14. 1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:


    Might seems innocuous, but simple things like this resonate psychologically and leave residuals.

     

    Just having the Tory emblem there sticks in the mind.

     

    Its propaganda posing as a public health message.

     

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    This was from Hancock’s, and others, Twitter accounts yesterday.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that that figure of "3,000,000" won't stand up to scrutiny.

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