Thomo123

Well its a lot easier to sit there and tell everybody how wrong it is without trying to understand what drives people to do these things, and maybe even try to do something about it. I think we can all agree that this shit is wrong, but how does that solve anything? The current climate of blame and counter blame just polarises opinion even more to the point we can't even find common ground.

No mate, you can have a reasonable expectation that people on the whole will be decent and conduct themselves with dignity. Berger said he endorsed bullying, but how the fuck is one man meant to control the actions of the minority? I live in the real world where i hear things on a regular basis that i find pretty abhorrent, everything I've seen and heard regarding JC make me think he is a decent and principled man, a man who wants a better and fairer society. Real change and not just half hearted policies that do little to change the status quo....and for that he is paying a pretty high price, one I'm sure he realises he has to pay to make a difference. You absolutely cannot have any sort of realistic expectation for everybody to behave, thats the reality.

Of course its not really on but ffs its twitter.....accessed daily by a variety of absolute muppets. We live in a country with a population of millions, do you honestly think something so emotive isn't going to bring out the lunatics, or people so desperate they don't really give a fuck anymore or those just wanting to cause trouble....wake the fuck up mate. Coupled with the fact Politics is so fucking rotten nowadays means very few have respect for politicians anymore, the vileness of the Brexit campaign coupled with the tactics of most of the PLP in trying to get rid of Corbyn are just fueling the fire. Corbyn is guilty of being naive at worst in wanting the vote to be open and not secret, open and transparent democracy is his thing. Berger accused him of endorsing bullying....after he has spent the last month having his arsehole ripped apart by the mainstream media and his own PLP. Its fucking bizarre.

My issue with all this is the amount of blame being apportioned to Corbyn, austerity and social inequality are the root causes of all this disquiet. The language used by Berger was bang out of order imo, when people feel patronised and marginalised by the 'establishment' then things start to get out of control. Corbyn is merely a symbol for the struggles going on all over the country, these relentless attacks on him personally are fuelling these emotions. But many in the PLP just carry on regardless then cry wolf when the chickens come home to roost.

If Corbyn is the problem then Owen Smith aint the fucking answer.

If this plays out like the 'experts' are predicting and Corbyn doesn't get his name on the ballot then thats it for me. The party will never reform to become the party that speaks for me. I know some are saying people should stay, but why contribute to a Party that rides roughshod over its own constitution and treats its new members and Corbyn supporters with such utter disdain. Fuck them and fuck politics, I'm going back to spending time wife my family ;)

I think ITV news have been (relatively speaking) reasonably fair. Channel 4 news are almost supporters....

I saw them at Heaton Park and Ian Brown was miles better at the City of Manchester. Whole night was superb, Public Enemy built exactly the right atmosphere. Reni is so good to watch.

Few dozen activists?

But it seems voting against Corbyn is just a vote for the status quo. People don't want the status quo anymore, there is an appetite for proper change and not just amongst activists. The referendum has intensified peoples interest in politics so maybe this is an opportunity to properly promote a different direction. So far both the mainstream media and his own party have prevented the message from being delivered but if we could unite behind him who knows what could happen.

Im prepared for the possibility of a hard right government for the foreseeable. Blind optimism keeps me going for a brighter future.....

Thats what i meant, it'll only serve to increase support for JC. I personally voted for him and will do again, right now for me it isn't about winning the next election. Its about pushing a new agenda into the national consciousness,

I honestly think the level of vitriol directed at him from all angles could end up backfiring. Its just too fucking full on and even an idiot can see exactly what is going on.

Maybe Labour do need a more 'attractive' left wing candidate, maybe Corbyn can't win a general election.....but that will be nothing to do with Corbyn himself but the establishment who will make him unelectable to the voting general public. Whatever your thoughts this has been a vile campaign against him, the longer this goes on the more i believe he could be PM.

The fact the spokeswoman actually suggested it showed thoroughness was just the icing on the cake.

Top man

decent stream anybody? ta

Apparently Kavanagh told White that he didn't want McGregor making that cut again......still think he will for a fight with Frankie though especially if Cerrone doesn't get the title.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/29/opinion/paul-krugman-greece-over-the-brink.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

All polls underestimating Tory vote.....even the voters are too embarrassed to admit it. I might fuck off and live in Scotland. As said above, devastating.

Looking at all the results that is the biggest issue. Lib gems have collapsed and they have gone to the conservatives.....how the fuck does that happen??

Sturridge....dear me.

No energy whatsoever

BBC commentators trying their best to mate that a penalty. Diving shithouse cunt

Would be nice to see we hadn't recalled Ibe for no reason....