JermainePennant

? They had players injured, their players are championship quality, they were shite in Europe last season, and I haven't seen a manager transform a team before the season even starts. Even the people who are not blinded by hate for Rodgers are getting paranoid, everything I said is a fact.

I've been saying the same thing for months but noone wants to accept they facts.Klopp does not have a track record of signing top players, the dof signed the players at Dortmund and the committee is still playing a big part at LFC. I'm concerned about what will happen at LFC regarding transfers and I've given a good reason for my concerns, maybe Klopp did play a big part developing the players at Dortmund but most of them look top class to me and most managers would have done well with them. As for you saying you thought this is a transfer thread, I'm talking about transfers and comments Klopp made today.Have I missed the rules of this forum ot something? Are we only allowed to talk about Klopp if it is positive and Rodgers if it is putting him down?

I didn't see the game but I've heard Chelsea set back and we struggled to create, we will be coming up against a lot of teams playing the same way so the team and manager need to find a way to be successful playing against those teams.

They had key defenders injured and as has been said that team played in the cl last season and didn't lose to top teams at home. Celtic basically have championship players and were embarrassing in Europe last season, it will take Rodgers more than a month to change things.Good result for them getting a lead with the away goal, like the last round they'll win comfortably at home.

Klopp on the transfer committee: "I don’t think it makes sense that you give one person the whole power, that’s why we have democracy." So Klopp is using the same strategy as at Dortmund, as I've said before lets hope Klopp was turning water to wine and not that Zorc was providing him with top players.

Before you start calling me a wum maybe get your facts straight.Im pretty sure after the manu game we would have overtaken them or get very close if we had won, whatever the case was a loss made it look impossible at the time. You also say his three at the back system was worked out, the way I remember it after fourth looked like it was gone Rogers went back to 4231 or 433.We played shite and he went back to three at the back against Villa in the semi, as we all know the players bottled it that day.

I said we sacked a manager who challenged for cl in his last season, my question was how can fans say they would be happy with a season where we didn't challenge for cl spots if they wanted the last manager sacked for doing more than that.

I see the problem now as I didn't put a question mark in the thread title, I was asking the question not saying my first post is the way it is.Thats why I was saying earlier on noone was answering the question, my mistake.

I've never said it should be, I asked what had to happen for us to say it was a good season.I won't be saying it was a good season if we finish 5-6th and haven't put up a strong challenge for fourth.I wouldn't want Klopp to be sacked unless we were flirting with relegation, he should get a learning season with his own players and the season after next getting 4th should then be the minimum requirement.

Read through the thread and you will see I did reply to Kal, Em listed managers at LFC who did well.I liked all the ones he mentioned and wanted none of them to go at the times they did, when I said Rodgers did the best in the prem era I am obviously talking about in the league.The only time we had it in our own hands was under Rodgers, under GH and Rafa we needed teams to fuck up for us to have a chance.

I agree and that's what I said, 5th atleast with a strong challenge for fourth.Lets not forget that this squad should have qualified the last two seasons so it's realistic to expect atleast a challenge for it. All those making smart comments and saying I'm talking bullshit, feel free to put me right and explain why anything less than a strong challenge for fourth will be considered a good season.

Once again your physic abilities are not up to scratch.You say I'm obsessed with his forum but your on here just as much as me if not more, I don't have friends who support LFC and those who like football make people on here look like geniuses with their lack of knowledge.Im a LFC fan so like to come on here and discuss LFC, you say you live in Liverpool the city which is football mad, why are you not talking to all the reds fans around you? The other week you said I had been acting like a wum for years on here and that I can't get women.During my time on here I supported Rafa,Kenny, Rodgers and the only manager I didn't like was Hodgson. The only time I've talked about women on here is when I said I felt Rodgers may have been seduced and the girl in the AJ case played her part.You and others seem to find it unbelieveable a woman would play the leading role and your physic abilities tell you I'm the one who doesn't get women. Keep assuming what you want as it doesn't bother me and I don't feel the need to tell you about my personal life as I'm on here to talk about football.Im not interested in yours either so don't feel you need to reply, I'm not assuming anything about anyone just pointing out that your logic makes no sense.

Some people come on here to talk about football, not all of us are on here for attention and to make jokes.Ive told you before your psychic abilities are not up to par, there about as good as your knowledge of football.

Klopp came in three months in to the season, you can't say Klopp improved the team when he played so many more games that season.If you want to we could say we were closer to the top 4 points wise when Rodgers left compared to at the end of the season. Facts are it took Rodgers 6 months to get us ready to challenge for cl spots and 24 months to challenge for the title.In his worst season he challenged for cl and got more points than we had last season, he was sacked 3 months in to his last season when everything was still possible. Fans said he wasn't up to it and most wanted the man who replaced him, he's had months to assess the squad and should be making signings this summer to ensure we get cl football next season.If he doesn't atleast put up a strong challenge for top 4 while we are not in Europe it will have been a poor season. As for Farenhooker saying I'm Karius as I said I'll let people decide for themselves, all it takes is common sense to work it out.

I see a lot of people trying to hint that I'm Karius and I shouldn't need to reply to it as people should be able to work it out for themselves.If I was going to create an account to support Rodgers would I do it months after he's gone or while he was still here? He's right that Rodgers was the most successful manager in the prem as he actually challenged and had us performing in the high pressure games.Rafa and GHs challenge was when there was no pressure on them and they had to rely on other teams fucking up for us to have a chance. People are saying I should be banned because I want the club to improve and you have the same opinion about what should be achieved next season.I don't get it, all I can think is they don't like hearing it from me as this is what I said would happen all along before we sacked the last manager.They said Rodgers was fucking up and Klopp would do much better, now we are seeing what's happened they don't want to talk about how our goals are not the same as what they were and just resort to calling me a troll.

Someone obviously doesn't like the question, like any normal fan if my club is to sack a manager I would want it done so the club moves forwards instead of backwards.

I'm talking about the season before that, when Rodgers left we were not out of the race for fourth.In fact we were in a very good position to get it as most of our hard games were out of the way. I see no one has gave their answer which says to me they don't have much confidence in us even putting up a strong challenge for fourth.People are prepared to accept a Europa league spot but were not willing to accept that from a manager who had challenged for the league the season before.I can't understand the reasons, if a manager is sacked for finishing in a certain position I would expect the new manager to be able to better that or if not what was the point in sacking the last one.

If he gets fourth it will have been a good season regardless of what the other teams done.Under Rdogers we were in the race for fourth position, under Klopp we were not no matter how close we were at the end.

In a wum because I expect us to better what the last manager was sacked for? The games against Watford and Southampton were as bad as Stoke away, the difference was those two teams weren't scoring wonder goals and every shot the took wasn't going in like against Stoke.

Last season we were not far off fourth because all the big teams flopped, under Rodgers we were close to getting it but when it looked gone after the manu game the players gave up. As for the 6-1 Rodgers took responsibility after it and said he needed better players which was his responsibility, he added quality and we beat them the first game of the new season.One off games mean nothing to me, every LFC manager has took a beating and Klopp will aswell.Ive seen many games which were worse than that for LFC including under Klopp, on that day everything Stoke hit was going in and it was a one off.

I saw a similar thread on rawk the other day and was amazed to see fans saying 5-6th would be considered a good season.Maybe they were all behind Rodgers and didn't want him sacked, the fans who did want him to go must surely agree with what I said. Why would we get rid of a manager and then be happy with a manager who does worse in the league.Ive been fair to Klopp as I could be saying we should challenge, fans thought Rodgers only challenged because of no European games so Klopp should atleast be able to challenge for fourth. Rodgers done it in his worst season when he had a injury and confidence crisis, he had also given teams a big head start as we didn't start playing until January and we were in Europe.

Karius Clyne Matip Lovren Moreno Can Milner Wijnaldum Mane Coutinho Firmino That's Klopps first 11 imo, Milner did well last season and Henderson shouldn't just walk straight back in to the first team.Klopp seems to prefer Firmino up front instead of Sturridge, that may change but I think we will start the season with Firmino up front.

We sacked a manager who challenged for cl spots in his worst season so I think a strong challenge for fourth up until the end has to be the minimum requirement.For it to be a good season we have to finish in the top 4 and we should have a good run in the cup competitions.

He hasn't got Twitter and I don't need to as most fans on there are saying the same thing, I'm sure the journos have picked up on it and Klopp will know.Some are even saying LFCTV told Sakho to do it and if Klopp had a problem with it why was it shown.

Yeah it is a similar situation, both managers are trying to show they are the boss.Rodgers had a good reason and I reckon Sakhos been messing around in training.If Klopp try's to moan about the interview he's going to make himself look silly as he's done the same thing himself.