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Thx TG3. OOT'er and not going to be there myself. While I'm at it, here's another one: RBS! Not afraid of a boycott? Ask the rag!

Would be like any ordinary half time break, only a bit crowdier. Lots of space underneath the Kop isn't it?

Banner: RBS! Stop the loan! We won’t be here to pay you back.

Has anyone told the banks ready to give the loan to Waldorff & Statler they might loose their money? Surely "club assets!" includes us, or rather the money we're going to spend in years to come. If we can convince them the club assets are a dodgy security, they might not loan them the money, or at least demand that they provide security for it outside LFC.

A boycott of the offal shop is likely to succeed. You'd have to have people outside the shop informing the not-knowing fans about the boycott and ask them to join by not entering the shop. 99,99% would join the boycott. No need to pysically stop anyone, a friendly "don't go inside please!" would do.

One thing I can’t understand. The yanks bought us for 219M last year. That was too much for DIC, they didn’t want to go above that. Now, all of a sudden, at a time when we’re out of the title race, they’re willing to pay at least 150M for 50%. Why?

If we made it perfectly clear to Hicks he’s not welcome. If we got the message out the streets of Liverpool would be as dangerous to him as Teheran would be for his president. Then maybe he’d know his days are numbered here. Let’s deliver him the message: We absolutely despise you, you fat greedy american cunt of cunts,

My guess (and guessing is what we’re doing) is Hicks wants out, He’d be happy to end his Liverpool story with a profit. But I can’t really see DIC offering him much more than they offered Moores last year. I hope there’s enough pressure on Hicks, so that he’ll have to sell even if he doesn’t gain.

Good post. Time has come to put our differences away and stand together. I suggested this song in another thread. Not very original, but everyone knows it, and it’s easy to sing Gillette and Hicks are full of shit Gillette and Hicks are full of shit They’re talking shit, shit and more shit Gillette and Hicks are full of shit … Raaafaa Rafael, Rafa……

Rafa’s polishing his Babel gem this season, making sure to polish it on the left side and the right side as well. Nothing wrong in Babel learning the winger’s trade. That could only make him a better player me thinks.

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I don’t believe for one second anyone except Abramovich would buy a football club for any other than economical reasons. There are, however, several investment strategies available: You have the old-fashioned long term style, where you want to earn your money through the profit the business is generating every year. Then you have long term investors mainly looking for a long term price raise on their investment. In both cases you’ll have to make sure the business is well run. If not you’ll lose out. The worrying thing is the short term investors. They want in and out fast with as much profit as possible. Either by buying something too cheap and sell it on, or by ripping the business to pieces selling it off in parts. In neither case is taking care of business a priority. To our benefit an investor with a long term view would want us to succeed on the pitch, because that would be good for business. A short term investor wouldn’t worry about success other than absolute immediate success (qualifying for the CL last 16 this year). He would worry more about spending money. I really fear the Yanks’ ambition is to fill their pockets ASAP. They could ruin us in the process. If however, they’re denied to refinance they’ll be sweating. DIC could take advantage and take over with limited damage. Looks to me DIC wants in long term, so i prefer them to the yanks, I really do.

The link should be removed. If you want to know the truth, about Rush or any other truth, surely that link is not going to help.

Valid points made here. If you were investing in a business like Liverpool FC and had a long term plan you’d put the kitchen in to use your words. We have a club that’s been falling behind in many areas. A long term investor would like to do something about that. Let’s see what they’ve done or tried to do. Stadium: They’ve presented us with huge plans for the future, but then they say it’s too costly, and that new plans must be made. Result: Nobody’s put a shovel into the soil of Stanley Park. Big plans may very well have been a PR stunt only. And where’s the new plans we were supposed to see January 9th? Marketing: As far as I can see nothing’s been done to improve. Shop is worse than ever, merchandize being sold out and new not coming in. Where’s the marketing campaign you’d expect to see in Asia. Nothing’s being done. Nada. Team strengthening: They got us Torres and Babel. Net spending wasn’t much higher than previous years though, and we see now they planned to let the club pay for it anyway. One new player in this January window is a surprise, but I reckon Rafa’s got to find the money for that himself by selling Crouch and Momo. If the two don’t leave I’ll bet you Hicks would be furious. All in all there’s nothing suggesting the yanks are here long term, where as there’s plenty suggesting they want to make a fast profit short term. The two yanks are shitting where they shouldn’t have, now let’s hope it’s shit-eating time.

Maybe you’re spot on here, your figures being speculation of course. Maybe they did only have a short term interest in the first place. However, something didn’t go according to plan. The finance market and a very stubborn manaher who just won’t obey being obvious problems. The fact is they’ve borrowed a lot of money. To me they seem desperate to load that debt onto the club. If successful they’ll be home free. Maybe they won’t get the profit they wanted, but at least then they won’t have to take any loss. Then maybe Moores came along crying out “stop!”, more trouble. I think there’s at least some reason to hope they’re sweating. If they can’t get that refinance they’ll suffer. If they do our club will suffer.

Won't happen I'm afraid. There'll be full stadium and long lines in the shop, as allways. But not all is going to be like it uesd to be for the clowns. We’ve always liked to believe the roar of the Kop would put the fear into the opposition. Maybe the roar of the Kop at least would put a feel of discomfort into the two yanks. If they’re here for the Inter game, I believe they’ll be surprised by the hostility they’ll be met with.

7 or 8 months ago Tom Hicks could, if he wanted to, go into the Kop and have people come up and hug him. If he was on his own on the streets of Athens in May, he’d have 20.000 bodyguards dressed in red. Now, if he ever decides to go to Anfield on a match day again, he’d have to be very careful. He’ll need to have his bodyguards close to him. People would be shouting at him. Inside the stadium he’ll hear songs against him. Now that the PR campaign seems to be lost for him, maybe we’ll see the true Tom Hicks. He’ll end up hating us, so I can only hope his financial muscles are deflated and pray he won’t get that loan. Dear Rafa: We all know it’s unbearable, but hang on for a little while longer, please! You can lean on us.

On the day of !the Inter game. They'll be here for that one. Banners with "yanks out" and "Leave our stadium". Then some songs: Gillette and Hicks are full of shit Gillette and Hicks are full of shit They’re talking shit, shit and more shit Gillette and Hicks are full of shit. Followed by Raaaaafa, Rafael, Rafa, Rafael…. Maybe with some luck, you'd see them leave at half time. With the pair gone, we could turn the 0-2 result at half-time into a 4-2 win ("....I've got dreams and soongs to sing....").

Any price given by DIC would of course include the club’s debt. If Hicks was to take up a 300M loan and sell the next day, he’d get 300M less himself if he sold his shares. Dear "man-with-the most-gay-avatar-on-the-internet-ever". The point is: If Hicks can find somebody willing to refinance he'll ease the pressure. Whether he actually goes through with it or not isn’t that important. The fact that he can say “no-no” to the DIC’s and stick around a while longer would raise the price. I do believe you're right, however (or am I really only hoping?), that the yanks are having problems finding anyone. They might be forced to sell. If so DIC could more or less name the price themselves. But this is only speculation. A couple of months from now, maybe we'll know.

Could be both a and b. If he's able to refinance the pressure would not be there and the price would rise. So even if he wants out it makes sense to find someone willing to lend him the refinance cash. Apparently he's been quoted on saying the refinance bit is in place. The problem is nobody believes him, he's told too many lies. My bet is DIC’s waiting to call his bluff, and then wait more until he's forced to sell at the price DIC dictates. Here's for hoping anyway. Tom Hicks!: You're pissing on us now, be aware the upwind.

There's a lot of uncertainty about everything these days isn’t it?. First of all, are the yanks here next season? To me Rafa seems determined not to give up on no. 19. He really wants to achieve that goal. I think ambition means more than money to him. I might be naive, but I do believe Rafa would hate to leave now. As long as he’s having our support he’ll take the piss from above until they kick him out.

Do you know this for a fact or is it only an assumption?

I believe the yanks really thought Rafa would resign. I suppose they underestimated the affection Rafa's got for this club. Any normal man with integrity and pride who could probably pick any job he wanted, would leave. Then again they've not experienced how deep the passion and the soul is in Liverpool, the club and the city. They're pissing on Rafa. Much to their surprise he's taking it. He just wan't quit.

.....or the yanks are forced to sell as they can't find anyone to lend them the money the need. Maybe all rafa needs to do is to hang in there a little while longer.