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Just wondering has anyone seen them live?

I've heard one of the main reasons they were so poor was the equipment they had, the sound was shite. I know Ian Browns voice struggled as well but he has managed to sort that out in his own live gigs.

I'd listen to the demo's on the Legacy Edition, the band are tight but Brown's vocals are that of an X Factor reject. He could have been reciting the phone directory for all I cared as it the hook of those songs that got most people (often within the first 20 seconds).

Pointless, they were pretty shit live. Just after a payday.

So if it doesnt hurt them then whats the use if you want your horse to go faster,which is what they are primarily used for in racing?

Nobody's trying to lose,allegedly,they are all trying to win.

There's pain as in a pinch on the arse and pain as in bullfighting. The horse/whip debate is a bit like the fishing one.

I think the new rules for flat racing is 7 strikes, that's acceptable to me as Max Moseley could easily take more...

Or we could outlaw racing as a competative sport? Do the horses take any joy from it?

 

It's honestly not something i'm too interested in, so I don't mean to cause offence. It just seems a bit cruel.

You'd put 10s of thousands out of a job and the horses would just be moved to Ireland, France etc.

Rather than try to hide an issue it's best to face it and resolve it.

It would be interesting to see a race or two under those conditions before developing a definitive opinion.

I'd like to see it and wouldn't be averse to changing my opinion if it was more dangerous.

It'd be interesting to see a no-whip National (not a race I like) but it might also end in worse carnage.

Wouldn't blinkers achieve the same aim?

No, they stop horses that get distracted by the crowd. Even 'the flat' isn't flat and horses will veer off with natural undulations. It's fine if you're on the rails but a 16 horse 6 furlong sprint might be dangerous. I'm not sure what a ridden-out no-whip race would be like. Certainly some difficult horses would never get to race.

Whip is needed to steer some horses, some will veer all over the shop and a dwarf on top wont stop them especially when you consider how short they ride. The problem is overuse by some jockeys.

Personally never liked national hunt and only ever bet on the flat.

It's awful, an album to buy when you're old and have no passion for music. It's everything he was once disparaging about; epically bland.

I don't think he was ever 'cool', just once out of The Beatles he was laid bare and his cheesiness (that Frog song being the ultimate cringe) became apparent to all. He seems an everyday sorta guy, like watching your dad trying to dance at a party and unwittingly embarrassing himself.

Whatever, he and Lennon were the perfect match. He gets a lot of unwarranted shit for not being Lennon in personality.

I'll go retro now with Brighton Rock (the original).

I'm going to use a clip from the commencement speech he gave at Stanford University in 2005 in a talk this weekend.

 

I was sorry to hear about his death. 56 is a young age to leave your wife and kids behind. And obviously, while we can easily slide into debate about who invented what, and so on, I am at least a little saddened when I think about what he might have achieved in the next 10-20 years.

He left his first wife and child on welfare, whilst he himself was moneyed. Not heard much about him being philanthropic apart from closing such activities.

Maybe Murdoch needs to hang out with Bono.

Guilty Conscience

Role Model

you wouldn't be using a mouse with your computer without him.

 

Just one of many examples of his innovations.

As somebody else said, Apple and IBM/MS shamelessly robbed from the Xerox Star. Fact is that Apple have the financial R&D clout to develop existing ideas and are very savvy at hiring good developers.

Now Jobs has passed on, technical evolution will still continue.

Even sticking an Apple logo had been done, poor Steve, he just put go-faster stripes on the world.

Macintosh? NeXT? Pixar? IPod? IPhone?

 

The man has defined a generation with his inventions.

You giant tool, they're just brands.

What did he actually do that was visionary? That others hadn't already created? Far as I recall smartphones, tablets, digital music players etc already existed but in shittier forms.

I'd say Berners-Lee changed the world, and no price or logo.

Apple just took existing products and improved them.

A demi-God to shallow consumerism.

The Armin Tanzarian episode was a turning and most now seem to regret using such a lazy plot device. Bumping off Maude wasn't a great idea either.

People in the boozer who have to check their bbm every 2 minutes.

Arena Housing Association - a not-for-profit agency of the council responsible for the 'delivery' of affordable housing in the area.

 

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Commendable and part of the reason I'd rather move unless we can make suitable reparations.

Hold on here, I haven't advocated cutting the minimum wage for anyone, so it can't be said that I have any kind of approach to the issue. All I've done is suggest that the minimum wage is contributing to youth unemployment, which I think it most probably is.

I really don't know, for 16-17 year olds it's £3.68, for me that's cheap labour and I can see why some opt for the dole (plus community charge, housing and other benefits). To get these people into work I'd rather use the tax system to make it a more attractive proposition for employer/employee than open up the possibility of teens being exploited for cheap labour and left disillusioned.

So we lower the minimum wage, how can narrowing the gap between work and the dole encourage people to work?

Why not scrap income tax for those in the 16-21 bracket. Can't help but feel you're approach to issues is again punitive Stronts rather than incentivising low earners.