Duncan Clench

I'm not going to stand up for the guy now. I gave him plenty of support and have been let down but..... It seems that he does what he is told to do, that's all. I heard in the commentary for the Marseille debacle that the French press were shitting themselves thinking that Heskey would play (and he ended up scoring). He does genuinely worry defenders and England are the only team with that sort of player at the mo. No.8 plays better for England than he does for us, but how does he get picked? Isn't it usually done on league form? It seems that No.8 gets picked on the strength of his "partnership" with Owen. A rediculous situation IMO. Don't get me wrong, can't stand the fella but I wouldn't tar Eriksson with the same brush as Houllier; and Eriksson obviously thinks the guy is worth picking. I don't.

Yeah, I knew nothing of Diouff in that I hadn't seen him play b4 World Cup (and wasn't that impressed after it to be honest) and I'm in the same place with Cisse (hence the thread). Smith, not exactly a goal machine but we need the sort of heart that he's got. I think for us, he'd be getting more than 10 a season. Couldn't agree more about Thompson, he's a gem. Had him in my dreamteam too before the leg-break! Should never have been sold. Often Houllier releases player with the "wrong" attitude. When does GH get released for his attitude?

Ah yes, Andy Townsends Tactics Truck! Was there ever a more ill-conceived idea?!!? I remember the first ever tactics truck and it was with Jari the mullet! "Great goal Jari, why don't you talk us through it....." "Ya, vell I managed to get it past the defender and then just hit it low into the corner" "Yeah, great goal Jari, great goal. Back to you Des..." ....and it was never seen again!

You mean El Hadj Diouff, African footballer of the year? Not exactly unknown, and am I right in thinking that people were trying to out-bid us with him? Like I said at the start of the thread, I really know jack shit about the guy so £14m sems like an awful lot of money. For the money we could surely get Smith, Wright-Phillips and maybe someone like Zat Knight from Fulham? Isn't that better business? Also, as far as I'm concerned (with the exception of H*skey) our forward line is OK, just a little lacking in confidence. Is it possible that Cisse is quicker than Sinama? Doubt it! Our problems are elsewhere I feel.

Anyone actually know anything about this guy? I was asked by a United fan whether I was disappointed that Cisse said if Houllier goes, his transfer might be in doubt. My answer? Could give a toss, don't now anything about him (as I didn't with Diouf/Diao/Cheyrou(ZZ..ha!)/Biscan etc... and if these signings are anything to go by.......! £14million? Seems a lot but I'm hoping there's someone out there who's seen him play and can tell me he's well worth the money! As opposed to £5m for Smith! And why, when Wenger goes to France, does he pick up a gem like Clichy for nothing while Houllier goes over and signs bullshit for millions? If Houllier goes, don't want Cisse either really. Anyone else?

Time to leave the depressing talk of Msr Houllier for a while I think. Seems that every thread is saying the same thing at the moment so how about this: Thank fvck that MOTD is back next season! I've had enough of ITV's so-called experts commenting on what they know very little about! Who is Andy Towsend to comment on the perils of a championship race? What has Robbie Earle done in his career that qualifies him to advise Fergie/Wenger/Ranieri on how to win the Premier league? Big Ron......don't even go there! ...and don't get me started on that bloke who presents Monday night's programme. Never have I been so bored watching football! Can't wait to hear the theme tune again, Beautiful Day was a shit song from the start anyway! Roll on next season!! For many many reasons! ....or is there anyone who actually thinks that ITV have done a god job? I sincerely hope not!

...and (shock, horror)..... ...the boys had tired legs after the midweek European eploits! FFS how long do we have to put up with this bullshit? IF (man, that's a big if!) we get the CL place, are the supporters supposed to accept that after every midweek game we'll get a shit result at the weekend? That's what being champions is all about surely? Midweek matches are no excuse. The future: We'll lose against any side with quuality in Europe (like Marseille!), and then get a shit result in the prem the weekend after! Not good enough. Please leave now! Give us a chance of getting back on the right track at least!

He'll still be with us next season like it or not. Moores wont let go. It doesn't look good.

For me it has been a very slow process! I don't like the thought of sacking the manager mid-season and I guess that's given me a lot of patience but it really came to a head during the "South-coast Shambles". Now I'm this side of the fence, I can't understand why he's been here for the last 2 years! It was black november (or was it october?) 2002 when it all started wasn't it? We haven't recovered from that yet which is incredibly poor management.

....and I'm sure you were saying that last season too when he was one of our best players! Murphy is a bloody good midfielder but he's suffering the same disease as Owen etc... How much would you pay for Owen right now? Twenty quid? ....so he's bag of shite, right?

Sorry, forgot to put the :) !!

I think the word is........erm...........flabbergasted! All due respect, we were playing rather well before the 'incident' and Ged's formation and tactics looked good; but the mistake was made before the match kicked-off. OK Steph hasn't looked his best but has Hyypia? Biscan? Surely in an important away-day in Europe you play the most experienced defense possible and you do not let the likes of Igor Twatface near the pitch! His arms are all over the place! He'd already wrestled one of their players to the ground about five mins before! We needed Steph, and he wouldn't have let us down. Instead, he plays an inept cartoon of a footballer. Picked for his pace I believe! Steph would never have been caught out there because he and Sammi play deep. Marlet may have got the ball, but he'd have got a whack too, way outside the box! This must be the final nail in the coffin. The straw that broke the camels back. The end of Houllier's dodgy team selection and dodgy tactics. Explain: Why didn't we attack like we did for 30 mins last night WHEN WE WERE AT HOME!!?!! What does Igor do in training to get anywhere near the first team? (My guess? He sucks-off Houllier!) Where's Harry when we really need him? Usually sulking in the corner, but when things are looking good for us, he'll make a tackle or two. Why, when Ged made the decision to stick with 3 defenders (easily enough to cope with Marseille!), did we resort to the long-ball game? I've never seen Gerrard hit so many hopeless long-balls in my life! I'm sick of it. The only good thing to come out of it is that it was one of Houlliers misfit signings that cost us, and that should surely mean bye bye Ged, thanks for the 5 year plan. Time to build the team around the truly dedicated and talented players we have and to get rid of the crap that Ged has brought in. Players worthy of the shirt: Owen Gerrard Carra Milan Didi Murph Did I miss anyone? I think 2 of those were houllier signings! Fucking horseshit.

You're right. I think Didi does too.

Where was the "Late charge to win the league" option!

As an armchair supporter(!) I've noticed recently how only a few of the players pay homeage to the "This is Anfield" sign on their way to the pitch. As we know, every player used to touch the sign on the way out and I was surprised to see just the one hand do the deed in recent matches. Guess who? To be fair to Owen, he can't reach it! As a supporter, I'm stupidly superstitious. If the LFC calendar's on the wrong month, we play badly (although we don't necessarily lose). Can't wear the shirt on a match day etc etc etc... I thought players were more superstitious than us. SO WHY DONT THEY TOUCH THE SIGN??? Should be put in their contract I reckon! Or am I just talking bollocks?

Thompson's not getting much of a look in is he? I think he did well when Ged was ill and that was all down to his motivational skills I belive. Also, you notice during the games that it's always Tommo barking orders and talking to GH about how the games going/what they should do etc.. I think, although he's studied under a bad manager (negative I should say...) he's learnt a lot and could do the job. Keep Rushie where he is, we'll have McMahon and Molby back too and there's you boot room guys! Untried, untested but I'd love to see it personally. Not gonna happen so..... We wont stuggle to attract a new manager. I doubt one is being lined up though. Capello? That'll do nicely. I'm sure he'd love the job too. I'd be happy with Ranieri. Good tactician and motivator. Funny fucker as well, the "good pitch....for growing potato's" line killed me! MON? Bollocks to that. Can't stand the fella.

Definately. Player for player though, I don't think they're much better than us (with the obvious excepion of the best player I've ever seen in my life!). They have the perfect attitude in every match and do exactly what's needed to win the games. Can do nothing but admire them, and hope they go the whole season unbeaten so they can shut the mancs up once and for all!

Joe Cole is pants. End of story. The last thing we need at LFC right now is another money-grabbing waste of space! Below is a list of Joe Coles Recent acheivements: 1) He took it round someone once, and then passed it straight to the opposition.......I think he was with West Ham at the time. 2) err......that's it! Please, no.

Fair point but this wasn't Michael's first game back from injury was it? Baros looked deadlier last night than Owen has for 2 seasons. Obviously that's just an opinion but as a midfileder, seeing strikers making those types of runs is just awesome. I appreciate that Owen's had personal problems and perhaps needs more rest which obviously we can't afford to give him, but I don't like it when he's facing our midfield and waiting for the ball to feet. He's not that sort of player. He should be on the last defenders back waiting to chase anything coming his way. He seems to be showing a more mature side of his game but I don't think that it's helped Liverpool at all this season. I'd go so far as to say that Sinama has had a better season than MO right now. I hope to be proven horribly wrong!

What a player! His effort, style and runs off the ball put Owen to shame IMO. Did you notice how easy it was for the Midfielders (Murphy had a good game too I thought) to find him on those diagonal runs into the box? 2 penalties, many corners and both goals came as a result of Baros's willingness to work hard and chase those lost causes. That boy scares the shit out of defenders, unlike a certain England international-or-two I could mention! Thank God he's back! But I take it H*skey's back for the next game! :wallbutt:

How many games per season do you have to go to in order to have an opinion?

OK, Owen's been injured a lot and we know he takes a few games get back to his best but I have to say I'm not convinced this time. When I see Pongolle come on and chase every ball I see the player Owen used to be. The goals Sinama has scored and the penalties he got/should have been given all came from him chasing lost causes, and Owen used to bag a lot of his goals that way. This is no longer part of his game. He's certainly lost a fair bit of pace but that was due to the injuries and having to build a decent bit of muscle around the prone areas. Lots of weights and stuff, this has obviously slowed him down but he is working much better in the 'other' areas. Can't deny his runs off the ball to make space for the midfielders, and he's getting really rather good at it, but I'd also like to see the defence-splitting pass from Stevie with Owen latching onto it at least 10 yards ahead of the nearest defender! I love the boy and everything he's done for the club but would a £40million bid from Real be something you can turn down for a player who simply isn't what he was (not form-wise, but style)? That's a lot of money guys, and a lot of good players can be bought with that. Now if the same offer came in for Stevie I'd tell them where to go, but for Michael I think I'd take the money and build the club again! From the Top down. Hey, they might even be able to afford to give TRUERED a season ticket! I just don't know, I couldn't stand the thought of losing Owen, but it would be worse to see him rot at Liverpool! Michael. We need you and we need you now!

No banners.......please God no!! It won't help anyone and you can bet your arse that we'll lose on Sat if there are things like that around the ground. . It would be so embarrassing to see a protest against GH, we're better than that.

....and if you could get even more money, even better chance of getting a season ticket and in the long-term, success for the club..... would you share with the toffees?

True enough, but I'd have a one-legged Danny before Smicer!