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Ha! The 'off-the-wall' was the sodding predictive text on my phone and not an insult. I corrected it. I think the Remain lies swung it. Without their lies the lead for Leave would have been much higher. So there.

Well, I listened to nearly 5 mins of the professor and that 5 mins had so many 'what if's' and variables that I cant take him seriously. Professor he may be but it doesn't make him automatically correct. I love the way Remainers obsess about falsehoods of the Leave campaign, conveniently ignoring how pretty much the entire remain campaign was a falsehood, beginning with Cameron's laughably 'reformed EU'. He had to go and so does Osborne. Still, even though he had to go you've got to laugh at his claim that we are strong so we don't quit..!

Me, you mean?? I'm not a Tory. I have voted Labour, Liberal and Conservative in my life.

Say that to a Jew, would you?

You just reminded me... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, etc...

Most immigration that people complain about is from Eastern Europe. They're white. Why mention about skin colour? It betrays your mind-set that anyone complaining about immigration has a problem with colour. It betrays your mind-set that immigration=colour. YOU brought colour into it. You must be the racist.

This post of all the posts on this forum makes more sense than any of them. The human race needs a final global war to knock everyone's heads together. It will probably occur right after the next natural super-disaster. This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of the EU, it will soon see the end of Stronty's rebellion.

That makes no sense at all Stronty. None at all. No change with you then and you're STILL making me laugh except these days my laughter at you is louder. I think that after all these years you still type these rants sat at your keyboard in your bedroom eating crisps between keystrokes and picking your nose every fifth keystroke.

Why are you bringing colour into it? Now who's the racist..?

Well that's just really nice for you and is yet another example of the blindness to the problem. Fucktards? Nice touch. That you equate being able to make nice cup of tea with a nice bacon buttie with how everything must be rosy in the garden for everyone else shows just how ignorant you are. Not many people complaining about uncontrolled immigration would dispute that you have to work on their tax codes. How does you being proud of working on the tax codes of immigrants make it easier for someone to get an appointment at the GP, or to get a school place for their child, or do anything about the shortage of housing part fuelled by high immigration, or comfort the a victim of crime where the perpetrator was a foreign criminal who never should have been let in? To those people your tax code role must really lift their spirits. The point about controlled immigration is that where we have a shortage of workers who can pick fruit, we can grant foreign workers temporary visas to do the job. It's not rocket science and it's not racist. You line about NHS workers is the banal line trotted out by the Remainers. If we need a foreign doctor or nurse then let's go and get one. One of the reasons why we're so grateful to have foreign doctors and nurses is because there are a few more million people who have come to the country who need NHS services. That also is not rocket science. Anyway, as you were, insulting the Leavers. I will resume my own position of laughing at you.

Let's do both.

In the main I agree. Free movement went a long way to diluting the control of who comes in and out. However, the biggest problem has been the unspoken and unwritten policy of successive governments to allow as many into this country as possible. Promises of "We must look at this" were utterly meaningless when the powers-that-be positively encouraged by their passiveness as many who wanted to come to come here. If we had any backbone in charge we would have proper border controls for the ones we can control ie non-EU arrivals. We would also deport those who shouldn't be here, including those who pick up certain criminal convictions. We would make it clear that if you weren't what this country needed you would not be getting in. We would overturn outrageous court decisions that say someone who deserves to be deported can stay because they are entitled to a 'family life'. Even post-Brexit I have no faith in the powers-that-be to take a tough line against undesireables or to implement strong border controls.

I'd say 'unbelievable' but it isn't...

If you read my full post, I include the word 'liberals' in the very next line but don't let intelligence get in the way of your opinions.

Wow. Quite a lot in there, a lot of which I respect. There is however a complete contradiction. At one point you say " Maybe governments should be formed of people who are actually qualified and understand the long term pro's and con's of the decisions they make " but then go on to say " the people are the country ". If the people are the country - which as a philosophical point I agree with - the government should not be made up of people who know best for us. That sounds like a dictatorship. If the people are the country we should get to say who is in charge, whether they are experts in running a country or not. Your point about GDP I completely agree with although probably not for the reasons you think it. I remember earlier on in this discussion, weeks before the vote, being shouted at that immigrants add x% to GDP and I said that money isn't everything. I do remember Stu Monty was one of the loudest shouting about money which I said made him sound Tory. He didn't like it.

Thereby proving my point. One more laugh...

One immediate benefit of the Brexit vote has been witnessing the howls of righteous indignation of the hard left on here and throughout the country. It is truly something to behold and savour. Especially SD - mate, you are the gift who keeps on giving. Let me point out an irony that is completely oblivious to all you liberals and lefties - this is your own fault. You brought this on yourselves. There can be no doubt that the biggest reason people voted for Brexit is uncontrolled immigration to this country and that people wanted this country to once again have full control over who comes into the country. Now, you can argue as much as you want about how non-EU immigration is as high as EU immigration but that doesn't change the reality of people's feelings. I am 48 years old and I cannot remember a time in my adult life not hearing the standard response from the left in this country to concerns about immigration being the insult that anyone holding those concerns were racist. The response from the right was silence - no-one challenged the view. Without anyone to challenge the view the immigration concerns=racism, the view of the left became the norm. It therefore became the position of right-thinking that one could not challenge immigration. Whether you agree or not - clearly not - for a very long time communities up and down the country have had concerns and worries about high levels of immigration affecting their lives. Whenever these concerns have been expressed they have been shouted down as being racist, prejudiced, ignorant and fascist. Constantly, by people such as the hard left on here. The thing is, despite your shouting those concerns and worries didn't go away. In fact, they kept building up. Labour and Conservative had, possibly until the arrival of Corbyn as leader, morphed into one political entity. They all looked and sounded the same. Each proclaiming that they stood for ordinary people, hard-working people, fairness, decency and all that bollocks. It got to the point where whether you voted left or right ordinary people felt that they were pretty much getting the same thing. And that same thing was that the concerns of those aforementioned communities up and down the country were universally ignored. Along comes the referendum which for the first time in a very long time gave every voice in the country equal volume. Those communities who have been labelled as racist by those such as the right-thinking holier-than-though crowd on this forum, suddenly had an opportunity to make their concerns felt. So they did - they voted to leave the EU and to take full control of immigration policy. I haven't read every post in this thread but from the flavour I have picked up, there is not a single ounce of soul-searching going on with any of the hard left. You STILL shout that those who voted leave are racist, fascist scum. Well, I've got news for you; you lost the argument and Brexit happened because of YOU. I don't expect any of you to accept that and I fully expect to be abused for expressing this opinion because that's what the hard left do - insult anyone who disagrees with them. In other words; you're fascists. Well, with every insult that get's thrown at me and other Brexit voters, I laugh just that little bit louder because, as I say, it's YOUR own fault. The chickens have most definitely come home to roost. By the way, a similar thing is happening with Corbyn and his failed leadership. His supporters might claim that he has the support of the vast majority of the membership but that will make not a jot of difference when Labour are annihilated at the general election. This is why the PLP voted no-confidence in him, they know that there is not a cat in hell's chance of the wider electorate voting for him. They can pretty much all see complete electoral failure. However, his supporters in the hard left refuse to even consider this and so they insist that all is rosy. They will probably carry on supporting him even after a general election disaster. Ironically the labour votes you will lose will most likely go to UKIP. The hard left are the gift that keep on giving. Now, back to the laughter...

And they should be sent straight back across the channel to claim asylum in the first safe country they came to, as per the Geneva Convention. If the EU want to play hardball we should do so too. Ideas like this are what will cause difficulties for us and for ALL in the EU. Farage is right; there needs to be a sensible and grown-up discussion about where we go from here with no animosity.

I wouldn't be completely surprised. Those vying for PM know it would be politically unthinkable to ignore the result of the referendum but as I don't trust any of the bastards, you may be right.

If a second vote showed 52% Remain and 48% Leave, would you call for a third vote?

Fucking democracy. I mean, why should the majority determine the direction the country takes..?

Don't get me started on free movement, My kids are gutted they they may be prevented from traveling and working Europe. They have grown up to think of this as a right . Fucking Xenophobic little Englanders with less than fuck all knowledge of how the EU really works are dragging us all down Says who??

I'm loving your anger.

Embarrassing.