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2 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

The closest thing there is to KDB in terms of chance creation. 

Any other manager builds a midfield around him. 

Chances are he doesn't sign a new contract now, let's be really honest here. 

KDB works really fucking hard and is always switched on to what's going on around him. Can you say the same about Trent?

I'd be selling him this summer, but got a feeling he's going on a free the one after.

He doesn't look like he's interested in doing the dirty work and whether he plays in midfield or right back there's dirty work involved (or there should be) and that's under any manager.

I can absolutely handle him leaving, always could and not just because he now looks more than ready to go.

I can absolutely handle that the chances are we now slip back into mediocrity, and probably for a very long time. It was always on the cards post-Klopp.

What I am struggling with (especially last night but feel a bit better this morning) is the fact we've not been able to celebrate a title win with Klopp. It's gutting it really is as he so deserved it and so did we.  I'm sure this feeling will pass and thankfully the celebrations in 2019 are quite something to remember.

42 minutes ago, The Guest said:

We’ve got the personnel to do anything.  It’s the reason we are so close to the top of the league.  We’ve won all these games this season from individual quality.  The tactics have been deplorable week in week out for the whole year.

 

I’ve just watched Klopps post match interview and it’s just complete delusion.  He’s just going on about how many chances we’ve created in the last so many games.  I just don’t understand what he’s watching.  The last half an hour of the game summed up the season.  We never look like scoring because we don’t create chances from the system he plays.  It’s absolutely fucking garbage.  The reason we are here is that game after game he’s just refused to address it and hoped the players quality would get us through but Trent reappearing kyboshed that in this one with his shithouse defending and walking football.  Everyone is slagging off the players but they all ran around and did the same shit Klopps asked all season.

Have we though? We might just about be alright at CB even though Van Dijk and Konate have left a lot to be desired recently. Quansah great potential . The full backs are questionable, can Robertson get back anywhere near his best? And Trent absolutely won't. Bradley has great potential. The rest, squad players

Midfield, our Achilles heel for years, only Mac Allister has shown to be good enough. Szoboslai unproven. The rest, squad players.

Up front only Diaz has warranted his starting place this season. Nunez is Nunez, Jota is always injured, and Mo hasn't been near his best for two years.

There's question marks all over the pitch.

1 minute ago, Lee909 said:

 

Not saying Slot is the right man but im not sure there is a exciting manager out there once Alonso said he was staying. 

 

Tuchel,Mourinho,Conte none are exciting and all would want older players for the squad and would fall out with everyone within a year. 

 

 

But i do fear that Edwards and Hughes are going to go full fucking stats nerd and blow apart anything thats is in place by being the cleverest guys in the room. Edwards forgets that before Klopp got there his genius didn't really amount to fuck all. 

That's one of the dangers, as well as having cheap bastard owners.

We're a bit fucked I think but I'm fully prepared for it.

On 23/04/2024 at 15:53, King Kenny 86 said:

At my age watching my reds since 1971 i can get very reflective quicker after losing my shit, or worshiping at the Anfield Altar. For me the Title race is run, we will finish 2nd or 3rd. I will enjoy our run in and hope that whatever happens we give JNK something to enjoy, more moments he can look back on.

 

Some will only want to reflect on the season once its over, for me personally that's too late,, Why? because he will be gone by then.

 

Don't get me wrong i want us to win out and see what happens, I want to win the PL for him as much as the next fan, i am just relaxed about it whether it happens or not

 

I look on it like this. Imagine just for a second Klopp was staying to see out his contract. Expectation and the desperation drops, we don't chase the Fairytale or the Hollywood ending, and after last seasons debacle he and the lads had to endure then deliver this:

 

Much changed Squad, New Midfield additions

Bajetic, Matip Thiago out all season.

Literally EVERY player be missing through Injury for significant periods

Encounter countless officiating errors that are beyond belief in key games

Consistently give goals away either first or equalisers

Only keep 9 clean sheets in 33 games.....

Lose one of you strikers because some cunt kidnapped his father!

 

BUT

Win a trophy.

You will flutter around at the top of the table, possibly winning the League, at least going close.

After 33 games you will have only lost 2 Morally  

Discover that Kelleher is a really top class back up keepe

See who this Quansah lad is that none of you had heard of, and how fckin good he is

Emergence of Bradley which will see twitter virgins want Trent sold!

See Dom look every inch the new Gerrard for a portion of the season when he carried us very early on. huge potential

Endo after a shaky start work it out and became a cult hero and looks a fckin steal

Macca at 6 now at 8 now doing what we expected him to do even though he looks knackered after a warm up!

Joe Gomez being Injury free and fucking sensational every game wherever he played

Robbo and Virgil getting their Mojo back

The development of Danns, McConnell, and Clarke.......

 

Just because we shit the bed twice v Man Utd (no lack of effort, just Composure and game management) and Palace at Home ("one of those that even City get") we are moping and groaning why? because Klopp is going. That is the only reason. The pressure and emotion we are putting on ourselves, its actually impacting negatively on the atmosphere sometimes when we want to celebrate a generational manager

 

Klopp will be disappointed at the end of the season if we don't win the title, not for himself, but for us, the players, everyone he holds dear, which is why we are so desperate to win for him. 

I am trying to look at it from HIS perspective.

 

If this very young squad can develop as they should, we are going to be in for a fantastic next few years, they are Klopp players he will get all the reflective glory and deservedly so.

 

I for one am proud of the lads (still 5 to go) despite what happens, as i look around at the other Squads in the PL there is none as powerful and talented as ours, (when they are all fit). We are challenging them on their "Mentality" but they love Klopp as much as we do, we are ALL trying too hard, human nature. Take his departure out of this and what a fuckin squad we have, and what a season we have had given last season and the adversity this season. 

Look how thin City Squad is now, Chelsea's full of kids and big time knobheads, Arsenal, relatively lucky with Injuries but thin as fuck...

We have world class players, we have young players who will be world class players.

The sooner we get off the Fairytale train and get on board relishing and celebrating the young talent that is Klopp's  legacy the sooner we can enjoy the last few weeks of him.

 

We all want it for Him, but lets look at what we have achieved this season despite all the setbacks, Injuries, Officials, Finishing, Conceding... but lets celebrate what we have done, and relish what they could do in the next 5 years..... and go out celebrating the Man we will miss

I disagree on the strength of the squad Klopp is leaving us (and actually said so here before things went to shit - "luckily" for me, less disappointment to feel).

But I just want to highlight your post, the tone of it and the general points you make - especially tonight. 

It's been an absolute rollercoaster this ride with Klopp but the highs were easily worth any of the lows including the current one.

He needs replacing as our "main" striker. 

I know people will say we don't really have a main striker but if you pay £65m+ and give him the number 9, then he's your main striker. If we can get back anything like what we paid for him (say £45-50m) then I'd sell him. But I can't see that happening so I'd keep him rather than sell for peanuts. We can't rely on him in the big or small moments and he's let us and himself down recently, but he can still be a really useful player if he's willing to accept a reduced place in the squad.

4 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

Maybe. Would he work in midfield ahead of Bradley?

 

A lot of big decisions to be made. I genuinely fear about the authority, or lack of it, that Slot may have our ‘big’ players, who haven’t played like ‘big’ players lately anyway.

 

Personally I can only see that possibly working in a 4-4-2, a similar role to what Beckham played for the Mancs. Beckham was a bloody hard worker from the halfway line forward but he couldn't defend for shit - but I'm not convinced Trent is willing to work hard enough for us even in just one half of the pitch. And no-one plays 4-4-2 any more anyway, maybe our new manager will find a clever way to bring it back into fashion.

32 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

It was announced to the players and the public at the end of January. We ran on fumes for a while after and began our collapse from mid-March

Yeah of course, my mistake.

I still don't think it's a particular factor as the problems we have now are mostly the same problems we've had since day 1 of the season. I will concede that our ability to react to adversity has seemingly disappeared recently but I think there's more than one reason for that.

15 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

The worry now is that this is a preview of next season.

 

Klopp’s authority has disappeared and this is how it looks when there’s no fear factor.
 

How likely are they to get behind a manager of indisputably less status than the current one?

 

We need to move on a few of our older, higher profile players so that they don’t become someone else’s unsolvable problems.

I'd include Trent in that too.  He's not interested in the dirty work which you have to do whether in CM or FB, otherwise you're a luxury player. A new manager won't fix that, a new challenge at a whole new might.

4 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

Anyone still defending Klopp's January announcement? 

 

He should have said nothing or quit there and then. 

Yeah we'd have done better if the manager would have walked out, at short notice, with 4 months of the season to play.  I hated the timing, disagreed with it but I don't know the machinations, but things are very unlikely to have turned out any better with an even more shocking development. Likely the opposite.

4 minutes ago, Dave D said:

I’ve no idea what Klopp can be saying to them in the dressing room after that to arrest the decline. What can he possibly say? 
 

 

Repay the supporters and finish the season in the top 4 to give the next manager a boost and the club, that's given them so much, a fighting chance.

It's time for Klopp to go because he needs to, he's knackered. But anyone thinking another manager will have us in a better position is deluding themselves.

We'll be back to wondering if we might qualify for the CL every few years at best.

7 minutes ago, Jhinge Machha said:

Seeing how we have been, I think a new manager and a fresh appraoch is for the best.

Of course it is, Klopp has said as much himself, he's exhausted with it all.

An energised Klopp would still be the best manager in the world and our best hope. But that's not him any more.

12 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Feel sorry for the folks who live in town - any mention of Klopp in the future will be met immediately by this result.

 

Forever.

The people who live in Liverpool are used to the small time nature of Everton fans, it's no biggie.

5 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

The announcement of his departure can’t be completely separated from our collapse though. 

It’s human nature that the edge goes from a lot of players, who wonder what they’ll do next and if the new manager wants them. 

Considering it was announced in November it probably can be.

There has been no collapse in performances, a bit of a dip all round with the forwards (Diaz aside) letting us down big time. The season was 10 games too long for an injury ravaged squad and an exhausted manager.

6 minutes ago, Judge said:

Dyche-Klopp 2-0.

 

We need a new team and a new manager.

One out of two ain't bad.  If we get a new team you can be assured it will be inferior in every way. There's no real money getting spent.

8 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

Thanks very much Mrs Gakpo. Great timing.

If it wasn't for bad luck we'd get no luck at all.

2 minutes ago, diamondjoe said:

Been shit for a few years in fairness. Haven't come close to the 2018-2020 side. Not remotely. Wouldn't change the  last year's of Klopp for the world though. 

Pity we're sending him off like this. 

We're not shit.  We're a good team but nothing special and winning the league this year would have been unthinkable and frankly unimaginable even a few weeks ago.  Very few truly believed we could do it, in part because of PGMOL but in larger part because we had come from nowhere this year and partly because we've not played particularly well all season (the eye test). Our results belied our performances and yet somehow (that somehow being Klopp as it always is throughout his tenure) we found ourselves in a great position.

Shame it had to end.

We've been average all season, bang average. 

Injuries, corrupt officials, and profligacy up front have finally caught up with us.

Tactics, yeah I don't like them particularly.

Refs and VAR, shite, abject.

But Mo and Nunez have been fucking us over for weeks though, that's the reality closer to home.

And there's the second.

Jones FFS, shite, absolute waste of space that lad is far too often.

2 minutes ago, The Guest said:

Trent on the goal just gets funnier and funnier the more you watch it.  Have you ever seen a top flight right back ever defend like that?

I think he shit out of it. Had a little look over his shoulder, saw the Everton player coming and didn't fancy the challenge. But that's him isn't it? He must be a managers dream and nightmare all at the same time, so talented but seems to have no interest in doing the ugly stuff.

1 minute ago, Lee909 said:

Outside of Diaz nobody has any fight at all. 

 

Trent,Virg just strolling around. 

The midfield non existent 

Twas ever thus.

Konate and Robertson are not great but they do have fight, as does Mac Allister. The other two midfielders couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, Nunez had any fight red carded out of him at the start of his Liverpool career and Mo, you'd never call him a fighter so he's not lost it, it's his ability that's gone.

Couple of shitty comments in this thread saying Klopp is letting us down and that can't be forgiven, by the looks of it. Disgraceful comments.