Moo

That's one of the dangers, as well as having cheap bastard owners. We're a bit fucked I think but I'm fully prepared for it.

I disagree on the strength of the squad Klopp is leaving us (and actually said so here before things went to shit - "luckily" for me, less disappointment to feel). But I just want to highlight your post, the tone of it and the general points you make - especially tonight. It's been an absolute rollercoaster this ride with Klopp but the highs were easily worth any of the lows including the current one.

He needs replacing as our "main" striker. I know people will say we don't really have a main striker but if you pay £65m+ and give him the number 9, then he's your main striker. If we can get back anything like what we paid for him (say £45-50m) then I'd sell him. But I can't see that happening so I'd keep him rather than sell for peanuts. We can't rely on him in the big or small moments and he's let us and himself down recently, but he can still be a really useful player if he's willing to accept a reduced place in the squad.

Personally I can only see that possibly working in a 4-4-2, a similar role to what Beckham played for the Mancs. Beckham was a bloody hard worker from the halfway line forward but he couldn't defend for shit - but I'm not convinced Trent is willing to work hard enough for us even in just one half of the pitch. And no-one plays 4-4-2 any more anyway, maybe our new manager will find a clever way to bring it back into fashion.

Yeah of course, my mistake. I still don't think it's a particular factor as the problems we have now are mostly the same problems we've had since day 1 of the season. I will concede that our ability to react to adversity has seemingly disappeared recently but I think there's more than one reason for that.

I'd include Trent in that too. He's not interested in the dirty work which you have to do whether in CM or FB, otherwise you're a luxury player. A new manager won't fix that, a new challenge at a whole new might.

Yeah we'd have done better if the manager would have walked out, at short notice, with 4 months of the season to play. I hated the timing, disagreed with it but I don't know the machinations, but things are very unlikely to have turned out any better with an even more shocking development. Likely the opposite.

Repay the supporters and finish the season in the top 4 to give the next manager a boost and the club, that's given them so much, a fighting chance.

It's time for Klopp to go because he needs to, he's knackered. But anyone thinking another manager will have us in a better position is deluding themselves. We'll be back to wondering if we might qualify for the CL every few years at best.

Of course it is, Klopp has said as much himself, he's exhausted with it all. An energised Klopp would still be the best manager in the world and our best hope. But that's not him any more.

The people who live in Liverpool are used to the small time nature of Everton fans, it's no biggie.

Considering it was announced in November it probably can be. There has been no collapse in performances, a bit of a dip all round with the forwards (Diaz aside) letting us down big time. The season was 10 games too long for an injury ravaged squad and an exhausted manager.

One out of two ain't bad. If we get a new team you can be assured it will be inferior in every way. There's no real money getting spent.

If it wasn't for bad luck we'd get no luck at all.

We're not shit. We're a good team but nothing special and winning the league this year would have been unthinkable and frankly unimaginable even a few weeks ago. Very few truly believed we could do it, in part because of PGMOL but in larger part because we had come from nowhere this year and partly because we've not played particularly well all season (the eye test). Our results belied our performances and yet somehow (that somehow being Klopp as it always is throughout his tenure) we found ourselves in a great position. Shame it had to end.

We've been average all season, bang average. Injuries, corrupt officials, and profligacy up front have finally caught up with us.

Tactics, yeah I don't like them particularly. Refs and VAR, shite, abject. But Mo and Nunez have been fucking us over for weeks though, that's the reality closer to home. And there's the second.

Jones FFS, shite, absolute waste of space that lad is far too often.

I think he shit out of it. Had a little look over his shoulder, saw the Everton player coming and didn't fancy the challenge. But that's him isn't it? He must be a managers dream and nightmare all at the same time, so talented but seems to have no interest in doing the ugly stuff.

Twas ever thus. Konate and Robertson are not great but they do have fight, as does Mac Allister. The other two midfielders couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, Nunez had any fight red carded out of him at the start of his Liverpool career and Mo, you'd never call him a fighter so he's not lost it, it's his ability that's gone.

Couple of shitty comments in this thread saying Klopp is letting us down and that can't be forgiven, by the looks of it. Disgraceful comments.

Everton are well up for it, we're not but it's just not how we play any more for various reasons, haven't since we won the league. Everton are diving everywhere and the ref is giving them literally everything, they probably can't believe how much. But despite all that it could easily be 1-1 and we look very dangerous....until the final shot, again. Overall we're playing fine all things considered, it's a few players letting us down in key moments again.

So just stand off them and don't make any challenges? We could try diving like they are, of course we could, but experience should tell you we'll get fuck all out of it.

FFS Nunez again. So unreliable.

I think it's naive to think the referee would treat us the same.