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Thank you all for the good wishes - sadly I’m at work so can’t try on my new tartan rug on my knees just yet x

Disingenuous. You smear your opinions of Salah all over the forums - including in the match thread last night - like a dirty protest with the added bonus of decontextuialised screenshots of stats. Always with the subtext that you see things that we interloping amateurs just can't see. In that thread you were absolving Salah of all blame which you lay squarley at the feet of Diaz. Diaz was our best player last night, and was trying to make things happen. He received little to no support from his fellow front liners. So here we are.

This team is done and probably has been for some time. It's tragic that what was an absolutely magnificent side, probably one of the best ever put together, with Mane, Firminho and Salah, didn't win more because of the oil cheats. This lot have given up, part of that is on Klopp, he looks checked out to me too, and he's lost a lot of authority over lads like Salah it would seem. I can forgive a Liverpool side a lot, fuck knows we've seen some shite ones down the years, but putting in these kinds of performances against the mancs and the shite is unforgivable frankly.

I hate this iteration of our team with an absolute passion. At least last year we had the excuse of past it players coming off the back of an enormous push for four trophies. This lot? These are the absolute dogs. A few special mentions if i may: Darwin Nunez or Darwin 'fucking' Nunez as we all like to call him. An absolute waste of a space forward who has probably cost us a few trophies this season. He's just not fucking good enough. Better strikers have been bombed out of Liverpool for less. Szoboslai, an utter coward of a player. Seems to posses some great traits but like Keita before him, just doesn't fancy it and has no fire in his belly. An utter waste of 60 million. Trent. A lot of our current day issues are to do with the constant pandering to him in the team by management. He's a sublime passer but his insistence of playing a different role has fucked the system and that's on Klopp. Konate - always said he was a donkey, like Traoare on peds. He hasn't got the brains for central defence. he cant pass and he cant score at set pieces and he's always injured. Should be sold asap. Jota - broken Endo - not his fault but no more than a squad player at best. A fine example of Liverpool buying on the cheap. Gravenberch - What is he? Who is he? I could mention Salah and VVD but that would be unfair as both are coming to the end of their careers and have given us a lot. Attitude: Never, ever in my lifetime supporting Liverpool have i seen a team with such a casual approach to playing football matches. Say what you like about Man City, but there's a professionalism we lack in spades. We've been beaten and held by some of the WORST teams I've ever seen in this league, Luton, Everton, Manchester United, Palace, Atalanta. Utter pits of teams who have hardly been able to win matches and stop conceding. We've made to look like front runners. Utterly pathetic. Our tactics - utter shit. Inflexible garbage. Same formation week in week out, same inverted system that fucks with everybody's head. Same game that relies on players running themselves into the ground till they break. A system that gives up a million clear cut chances a game to some of even the shittest sides around. No brains, no intelligence, just a 4-3-3 that's as old as time. Our transfers - Lorded all over the land, our transfers have been cheap, poorly planned and pathetic. The last time we bought well was about three years ago if that. Every summer its about bargains and "just doing enough". You cant act like that and win the big trophies, its just not possible. Our summer business the last two season has been about a 2/10. Grim. Our Owners - Money men with no love for the game. Yeah they've done ok with finances and assets as you would expect but they lack the passion you need to win things, like the Club did of old. They've relied on a guy to glue this club together whose aged about 20 years in 10 and now they have no safety net. prepare for rough waters. Some might say we are lucky to be challenging but forget that. We were here and we had it in our hands and whats worse was that we pissed it away against some of the utter dross of the league, its unforgiveable. Id even say the Cup was won by the kids and not the seniors as they were mostly awful in the final. the only time i got excited was seing a blend of kids and seniors start to make headway but even that was tossed out for our inflexible setup. If i was Jurgen i'd just go now. He's been great and I dont want to see him toil in his final days as he doesnt deserve it, he's given his all over the years whilst most at the club have done fuck all.

Honestly, Code, stop it. Salah stunk the place out, didn't get involved (apart from the "two times he had a pass in front of him"...!?). Diaz lost the ball more than Salah because he had TWICE AS MUCH OF THE BALL AS SALAH. He was getting involved and was trying to make things happen. I'd say watch the game again without prejudice but I know it's like talking to a pre-programmed robot. Will Diaz have the career that Mo has had? Almost certainly not. Is he a better player than Mo? No, he's not. Was he better in last night's game than Salah - yes, he was.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/apr/25/laurence-fox-ordered-to-pay-90000-pounds-to-two-people-he-called-paedophiles Some good news to brighten up today

Nunez is 25 in a months time. He is what he is as a player. He might have a great season now and then but he won't suddenly turn into a reliable goal scorer.

It really is. Because - whether it's "unprofessional" or not - these games mean more than others. They really are about pride in the shirt and the club, and frankly we looked lame and soft in these games. That they were also crucial matches just makes it worse. I'm not particularly arsed about this group going forward.

Musala for Mo Salah?

He's been slagging him off on the podcast, called him a coward and everything.

Parklife!

No 'clever' wordplay now. This past month or so has been so incredibly deflating. A Saturday lunchtime game. Again. Yay. TNT Sports have had to make do with the unwanted time slot, and the problem would be solved if that rule about no live football on TV at 3:00pm on Saturdays was ditched. Whatever was the basis for that decision surely is of no relevance today, so sticking to it is like when Americans adhere steadfastly to elements of the US Constitution that were constructed for the conditions of the time but should have no bearing on society today. If they do, then that society has made no progress. The 12:30 time slot is for the benefit of the Far East TV market as it coincides with their peak time, but games in this timeslot tend to be vastly different to the Saturday 3:00pm, Sunday afternoon or any midweek evening slot. Eveything just seems more sluggish. The ONLY good thing about them is that if your team wins, you basically have a whole weekend to enjoy other things. The corresponding fixture took place almost exactly a year ago. We'd gradually started finding a bit of form, especially away from home, and looked more like the side that had gone close to a quadruple the year before. And yet it started in familiar fashion, with us being too easily opened up on our right flank. A nice move (aiding by very little in the way of closing down by us) saw Paqueta fire a fine effort past Ali from 20 yards. Trent was playing that hybrid role and picked up the ball in midfield, squeezing a pass to Cody in a central position 25 yards out. Again, very little in the way of closing down meant that he had time to turn, carry the ball and fire a low effort beyond Fabianski. Diogo had a couple of chances to put us ahead, but got underneath his shot for the first, and didn't quite have enough height to get a header on target for his second. Virg nipped in before Antonio at the far post when a goal looked almost certain. Early in the second half, Bowen was played in down the right, cut inside Virg and shot into the far corner. Virg hardly covered himself in glory with the way he tracked back, and we were fortunate when VAR came down in our favour for once, judging Bowen to be offside. Big Bird was denied a goal after a goalmouth scramble following a corner, but from the resulting corner, he absolutely buried his header into the roof of the net. West Ham argued that they shoulder have had a penalty late on for a handball by Thiago, but the Spaniard's momentum when winning the ball meant that his arm was where it was to check his fall. The ball just so happened to be under him at that very moment. Hardly the same as Odegaard at Anfield, yet that one got less attention by the VAR guys. 2-1 to us in the end. We've been so profligate in attack and so sloppy defensively in recent weeks, it's hard to pinpoint the catalyst. Some people (including Jurgen) have identified the FA Cup tie, and maybe that's true. Or maybe it goes back a little earlier, but was being papered over by the excellence of the youngsters called up. Whatever it is has totally derailed our season to the point where so many players are being questioned as to whether they are good enough. Cody might be available again for this one, and based on the lack of positive impact of both Darwin and Mo in recent weeks, Cody has done more than both to stake his claim for a starting berth. I'd have him in for one of those. I keep saying stuff about motivation, concentration, attitude and application needing to be absolutely on point from first minute to last. It's not me saying it for the sake of it, but because it is necessary. Without it, you let performances and results slip away, and it gets harder to wash off the stink. Whatever remains of this season, treat the games like there is something to gain. Winning begets winning. 3 points please. Get it done!

Ivan Toney has scored more Premier league goals since the start of 2022/23 than Nunez. Ivan Toney has served a 9 month ban Harry Kane has scored 10 more Premier league goals than Nunez since 22/23 and he's been playing in Germany for a season Nunez has outscored Richarlison this season by 1 goal despite playing 600 more minutes and taking 46 more shots Ollie Watkins 1 league goal less this season than Nunez has in 2 Solanke 2 league goal less this season than Nunez has in 2 Isak 3 league goal less this season than Nunez has in 2 Chris Wood has more league goals this season Antony Gordon,Wissa,Trossard all have 1 less goal than Nunez I've never seen a player get the blind loyalty for doing so little as Nunez gets

The one thing I really want to see from the end of this season is Arsenal failing to win the league on the final day. They might have been disappointed last season, but they don’t know the disappointment of losing the league to those Abu Dhabi cheats on the final day. I will enjoy the schadenfreude of that. Oh yeah there is another I’d like to see, and that’s that our fans and the club give Klopp the send off he thoroughly deserves against Wolves.

The Reds' ailing title challenge suffered a fatal blow in the worst place possible as Everton registered a deserved 2-0 in the Merseyside Derby at Goodison. Chris Smith is joined by Ian Brown and Dave Usher to discuss a dismal night when defensive lapses and misfiring forwards were coupled with an absence of the energy and synonymous with Jurgen Klopp's great sides. Sadly, it really did feel like the end. As this era comes to a sad close, the lads try to look to a future under Klopp's rumoured replacement Arne Slot, and address some looming decisions over the futures of the squad's biggest names. View full article

for me the discussion isn't really about if salah is better than martinelli or some other chump. they neither have a team set up for them to succeed, fuck off to afcon every 2 years, damaging their own performance in the process or earn what salah does. out of that list code shared, it's only the badly out of form, over paid, freak at city who compare in their importance and cost to their side. we also have to face the reality of he is going to cost us at least £15-20m in wages next season. and then could leave for free. So if someone comes in with a good price, let's say £80m, his cost for 1 season could be £100m. Insane. He is clearly not on an upward trajectory. it doesn't matter if he is good sometimes, if he's going to cost us £100m for 1 year, well it's time to let go if there's big money available.

That's really concerning, Klopp hasn't left the building and leaks to support their own ends are starting already.

It’s not a ‘rare dip’. It was an inevitability that many of us warned about because of the ACN. Literally history repeating itself after 2022, with the club as the big losers.

Muniz for Nunez and Robinson for Robertson? What's next, Hendo for Endo?

No.

Amazes me that lads think this guy is a masculine figurehead, he's no Paddy Mayne or Jim McDonald, or Terry from Minder. He wears silver aviators and sounds like an early 90s MTV presenter, he can monumentally get fucked.

Don’t be fooled by Diaz’ bluster. His end product is consistently below the required standard in a team chasing the league.

Do you really believe that? I don't think we have another player who gets as much credit for any little positive thing he does. The crowd loves him. And (almost) no one on here is saying that he's the only problem, or that Mo has been any better than him in recent weeks. The difference is that Mo is one of our best ever players, with 6 largely brilliant seasons behind him. Darwin has now been here for almost two years, and apart from flashes he just doesn't look reliable enough for a title chasing side.

Anyone who thinks FSG are going to spend big is off their fucking trolley. We're scouring the market for a manager who's used to feeding on scraps, that's not so we can give him massive money. Like it or not, fsg will believe last summer was big.

I can absolutely handle him leaving, always could and not just because he now looks more than ready to go. I can absolutely handle that the chances are we now slip back into mediocrity, and probably for a very long time. It was always on the cards post-Klopp. What I am struggling with (especially last night but feel a bit better this morning) is the fact we've not been able to celebrate a title win with Klopp. It's gutting it really is as he so deserved it and so did we. I'm sure this feeling will pass and thankfully the celebrations in 2019 are quite something to remember.

I do notice he takes too long to move the ball on but it seems everyone just stands still behind their man so nothing is on. Tbh its our biggest problem, fuck all movement off the ball. You can tell we're in for a shit team performance within about 15 minutes based on our shape and how fluid we are off the ball.

Lest we forget...

And thats exactly why they'll continue to be a bunch of small time weirdos not worth getting too bothered by anymore, this is now what they consider a massive achievement, they earnt their gloat tonight but in the grand scheme they weren't the team that stopped us winning the title anyway even if that's what they'll proceed to make out. Even when we are shit we've managed to add a trophy to the cabinet again this season, meanwhile the clocks about to tick over to 29 years since they last had a sniff of silverware, im pretty comfortable in the knowledge that while we win trophies their biggest achievements are pointless derby win and transfer windows.

Let abu dhabi win everything - it means absolutely fuck all when they do. If arsenal won this title it would hurt, abu dhabi winning it is just meaningless.

Fuck Arsenal. I hope city win every game 5-0 now and eat away at the goal difference until City’s is superior. Horrible set of fans. Last day disappointment for them please.

Yeah, they actually kicked him out of Maggie Thatcher's funeral.

Why are you calling him a generational talent ? Do you at least know what it means to be a generational talent ? Lionel Messi is one. Haaland and Mbappe you can call them as such. He is not even the best right back in the world. Attacking wise, Robertson is boasting quite similar stats as him, does it mean he's a generational talent as well ? You need to acknowledge it is the system he's playing in that makes him look like the best attacking fullback in the world. Take him out of that system and he's just an average right back jogging around the pitch. As for the defensive part, he's just one of the worst you'll see at top level. Right now, I have more trust in Bradley defending that side of the pitch to be honest.

Said this before and I'll say it again. I don't like him. I think he's full of his own self importance and that he owes his lofty reputation to the brilliance of Klopp because nobody was talking about how good Edwards was until Klopp came in and made us great. Happy to see him prove me wrong though and show that he can be successful without Klopp.

This generational talent thing is part of the problem. He believes it to much. He's not Steven Gerrard. At Gerrard peak in the biggest game of his life in Istanbul with us under the kosher he goes to fightback because the team needed him to. And helped shut down Serginho. No standing around,no switching off. Just dig in and get stuck in when needed. That's what world class players do. He is a great attacking fightback wingback or right midfielder in a 442. He's not Xabi Alonso, or hasn't shown himself to be. Xabi like Pirlo played deep because they read the game and would be in the right position defensively and willing to make challenges or be switched on enough defensively to cut out passing lanes etc Players run off Trent all the time and he seems completely unaware of them before they are well past him(Vinicius jnr,CL Final goal)

Speaking of fighting among ourselves, two things: 1. Diaz's miss was in now way comparable to Darwin's. Diaz was having to take a ball coming over to him in flight, and he had to take it awkwardly on the volley. I can cut him some slack. No suck slack with Nunez. 2. Trent didn't let DCL jump over him. DCL started to Trent's right before he made his move. As he started to make his move Trent looked at him, and instead of either stepping towards him to block his path to the ball, or stepping in front of him and trying to win the header, Trent UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLY steps behind him and stands watching as he heads it in. Yep, I'm still an unhappy bunny.

they can all fuck off with that "his signing, their signing" bullshit. it is a club signing. they're entitled to look coldly? you could say that about everyone in the squad then, because the FSG and edwards himself have been clear he works for FSG and hughes is the club man and he wasn't involved in signing any of them. it's a fucking shithouse trick trying to just drop some shit on klopp because edwards doesn't like klopp has bigger balls than him. let's see how big edwards balls will be when they're getting kicked pillar to post when we are midtable next year Jossy Blair blaming klopp for wearing the players out.

It is concerning, we can sell the lad because he didn't deliver. Stig or Usher or any of his biggest fan boys couldn't argue he wasn't given a fair crack. We can do that without a blame game, the club has been water tight for a number of years, nobody benefits from these hit jobs. Edwards might think he does but he's wrong.

Apart from the TV show and the computer game and the charity and the donations and the rape crisis centre she’s been totally cancelled. I think Joe Rogan called it ‘fuck you’ money.

He's also the only outfield player who played like last night was a game where we could win if we worked for it.

We've had 2 title challenging season destroyed by Salah's form after returning from afcon. On both occasions he was flying going into it and then basically a passenger after returning. The problem with Salah, is he's so good, he gets picked regardless of form. But you can't just be on the pitch and not compete, which is what we've seen since his return from injury. If Salah is to stay, he needs to fuck off international football. He's too old to do it now.

I'm doing my best to stay out of these conversations, but one thing strikes me. Van Dijk isn't much of a captain when the chips are down is he? Bit of a shithouse to be honest. As much as this will piss some posters off, if we'd had a Henderson or preferably Milner as Captain would we have surrendered so meekly?

The difference between Nunez, Mo and Diaz is that Mo has a history of being an incredible goal scorer and more often than not he's come up with the goods when we've needed it. Diaz works his arse off, tracking back, getting involved, making mad runs with the ball, admittedly with limited impact of late. Nunez has none of those attributes. Other than rare moments of brilliance such as Newcastle away, he's inconsistent, brain dead, can't finish, can't stay onside. There isn't one person on here who wouldn't like to see him turn that around but if 2 years under Klopp hasn't worked I don't see what will. Get rid.

Let them have their joy from beating us, when youre that deep in the shit you've got to just enjoy the odd sweetcorn when it comes your way.

Yeah none of this diminishes what Klopp has done for us its just a grim ending. Honestly I dont want a Klopp light if Slot has been brought in because this football style is very similar to Klopps I'm not interested, these players are run into the ground by the amount of fixtures alone, high intensity high line just feels like its a recipe for disaster in the long term unless you are at absolute peak. Biggest annoyance we just don't learn our lessons ever either in games or long term. A team plays a specific way that can really hurt us we won't adjust we just let them hurt us and continue to hurt us until the inevitable goal comes. I'm tired of absolutely massive spaces at the back so if we misplace a pass its a panicked race to our box and I'm tired of an overly congested final third where we have pushed about 20 players into one small area and then have no idea where to play it so we knock it all the way back to Dijk. It's just felt like a slow death to a great side alongside a long goodbye. The conceding first early so many damn times and having to score so many last minute goals was never a good sign regardless of people being happy at our mental strength. That's some taxing shit. The seasons done, the pressure is off let's just hope to see Klopp relaxed about it philosophical and hope he can enjoy the remainder of his time here, it might end with a whimper but it shouldn't without a smiling Klopp.

Gonna take some spread sheet to explain that performance.

The way he has been speaking recently really makes me think he will never go back to club football.

My teenage daughter secretly knitted me a woolly hat. Took her hours. The best birthday present I have ever received. Made my year.