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First they came for Liverpool and they did nothing, because to them we are a bunch of self pity, whinging bin dippers. What you are arguing for is a root and branch change in the ownership rules from the government down - what Manchester United fans are arguing is that they want that extra billion spent on Mbappe. They don't want rules to be tightened for everyone - they have never cared for anyone else, they want the Glazers gone because they blame them for where they are. I don't understand why you can't see the self-serving nature of their 'protest'? That in itself is fine - but the violence is being glossed over because they are pitching it as a protest against greed in football and I, and a few others don't think that is true.

The revenue has tripled under the Glazers - and that is down to the fact that they have set up regional marketing that has built on their world wide reputation. So one of the fundamental arguments underpinning the protests on Saturday 'that we don't need an oligarch' is because of the Glazers. The fact that they have spent a billion on players is relevant - it absolutely is. Their arguments are that the Glazers are hampering them through taking money out - whereas the argument is not so straightforward. How can you be hampered when you are spending so much money on the team? And those who are supporting United - are also ignoring, either deliberately or simply seeing it ass irrelevant - the complete and utter lack of support from United supporters when we were in a much worse position, because of a leveraged buyout in 2010. That suggest to me that they are not against leverage buyouts - otherwise they would have supported us. It is just them, and their club. This isn't a wider argument for football ownership. It is them taking advantage of the current attitude towards protests (violent ones) and venting their frustrations. I am not in the slightest bit arsed about whether it was a legitimate protest or not - because if it had of been us protesting it would been laughed at, and ridiculed - and we know that because that is what happened between 2007 - 2010. If Saudi Arabia took them over tomorrow - not one United fan would protest against that. So, forgive if I don't want to include their tantrums into a wider discussion about football ownership.

Also, to clarify. I get why United fans want the Glazers out and why they look at it and think "that billion quid they've trousered could have gone on signings". I'm just saying, fuck them. I'm not backing their 'cause' or sympathising with their 'plight' and I'm not going to say what they did on Sunday was ok.

Struggling to get worked up about this as we're shite and were never getting anywhere near Leicester anyway. I'll be surprised if we even catch West Ham. Playing on a Wednesday rather than Thursday isn't going to make any difference as we've been shite whether we've had a week, two weeks or two days to prepare.

"They can pair up if they like and they can bring someone else and they can bring their fucking dinner"

Started this thread when I was 28 and wasn't even old, now I'm 41 and am old. Back then I loved women and vodka and boats. And I loved women who drank vodka on boats. Now I have to get up twice a night to take a piss.

What do you reckon they'll do with the 3000 spares, seems like a waste.

The more I think about it, the more those United fans remind me of the Trump voters on Jan 6. All they were missing were the red MUGA hats. Make United Great Again! Let’s look at the (half serious) parallels shall we? A mob whipped into a frenzy by an idol the rest of the country thinks is an absolute cunt. They’re feeling disenfranchised, they’re told they’re being ripped off, that their very identity has been taken away. They march on the seat of power, the symbolic home of the place they profess to love and want to take back from illegitimate occupants, chanting their protest songs on the way. They violently bypass a hugely undermanned security operation, gain access to the hallowed territory and proceed to wreak destruction along the way. Abusing and assaulting those who attempt to stand in their way. People are seriously hurt. Most of them are taking videos and selfies the whole time, absolutely revelling in being somewhere they shouldn’t. All the time saying “this is our house, not theirs” When the cops eventually show up, the aggression is turned on them. The only reason there wasn’t deaths in this instance is because both sides weren’t armed to the teeth as they are in the US. The MUGA goal was to stop the football match, the MAGA goal was to prevent the certification of an election. In the aftermath, allies in the media sought to sell it as a peaceful protest, that they were simply passionate people who couldn’t take it anymore and we’re left with no other option. They just weren’t being heard! The United fans actually have a lot in common with your proverbial Trump voter. They’ve been left behind. They’ve lost their identity. Once proud and dominant they’ve been surpassed by neighbours and rivals they mocked and derided throughout their lifelong era of dominance. A country/sport that once only existed to serve their needs now makes them feel like second class citizens. Now they’re just another group of disillusioned, vulnerable people seeking a figurehead that can take things back to the way they used to be. They don’t know what to do with that information. They aren’t used to it. They wanna Make United Great Again!

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That's absolute bollocks. Never in the history of broadcasting - while live mass violence is ongoing, in part directed at the actual broadcasters - have people thought: You know what, ignoring all that abuse and those flares and any potential threat to the safety of all those around us, we really ought to consider the legitimacy of these drunk fuckers' supposed grievances! Souness wasn't having it. And even if he talks shite about the Man United ownership, he's under no obligation to take seriously the idea of just peaceful protest in that instance. Neville and Carragher were cultivating that lie for their own reasons. But it remains a fucking lie. As all available footage illustrates. And Souness was the only member of the Sky team who questioned it.

From a City fan so I'll take no moralising from him.

City were banned from the tournament by UEFA only to have it overturned by CAS. Chelsea were banned by UEFA from buying players for 2 years and had it reduced to 1 year by CAS. 6 of the players they have bought in that year played tonight. Now they are seen as the saviours of football because they pulled out of the Super League. The reason the breakaway clubs wanted the super league is to create enough finances to compete with these cheating bastards. Cunt clubs both

Purps here...

Once Upon A Time is an absolute classic. Tough group but I've always thought 2001 is overrated.

I think the Glazers have done a great job.

You need to not take is so personal scott, this is an Internet forum full of opinionated cunts, some will give their opinion and leave it at that, others will keep throwing it at everyone at every opportunity they get. Individually it is up to the poster what type of cunt they want to be and no amount of arguing is going to change their type, might even make them more entrenched. Your not a bad poster but recently you are coming across as "I'm special cause I have been to loads of games and protests" if you are ok with that don't be surprised when people want to take a pop at you.

Doctors receptionists. Enough said.

Like Keys wouldn’t do exactly the same the hypocritical, lying cunt.

I'm just so tired of these people, what exhausts me the most is that it's not even genuine, it's actually a 'job', in modern Britain and the USA, saying inflamatory shit is actually a career option when your career hits the skids, something that gets you called on radio shows and Questiontime and lets you sell mugs and keyrings. If that's not fall of Rome shit, I really don't know what is. "All fat people should be gassed" "OMG can't believe he/she said that" "Hi it's Pandora fuckbucket here from Newsnight, would you come on our show for three grand?" "yes please."

Liverpool fans who say ‘good on them’ for Sunday’s protest probably get out of their car and apologise profusely when somebody intentionally rear-ends them.

Had the AZ an hour ago. Already feeling it

My daughter is bang into unicorns, so using her Peppa Pig foaming soap I fashioned a Unicorn horn and placed it on my head. It went wrong. Badly wrong. .

The mancs are planning another protest for the rearranged fixture, if anything stops this game going ahead again, then they should give us a 3-0 win. I couldn’t give a fuck about them and their “plight” they laughed at us when we had the other 2 clowns. They sing always the victims and murderers. The cunts hung a banner on the motorway calling us murderers. Anyone climbing into bed with them should remember that. Fuck them. Glazers in.

I guess the football Gods decided if we were going to win the league then we'd have to suffer an absolutely horrible season afterwards. A City-Chelsea champions league final seems the perfect way to finish off this godawful season. The only way it probably could have been any worse was an all Manchester final (just felt a shudder at the sheer thought of that ever happening). Chelsea winning it would be the least unpleasant outcome just because I find Pep, this City squad, and pretty much everyone associated with City these days so dislikeable. It's probably best Madrid didn't somehow fluke their way through tonight because they'd have got absolutely slaughtered by City in the final. It really shows how poor we were though to get knocked out by them.

Watching English politics at the minute is like watching a pensioner giving their bank details to 'that nice Nigerian prince who emailed me and is in a spot of bother, he's going to send me some money for helping him out' and no matter what you tell them they'll not listen. Thorougly fucking depressing.

Reminds me of this

Get Control GX , £9 in Asda , amazing stuff.

Proof that cats are, indeed, little shits.

I'd laugh hard if a Mourinho managed Roma turned United's 4 goal deficit around tomorrow. Not likely but would be funny.

I haven’t got a penny to my name so I’d probably do it for £500 and a 2 litre bottle of Lilt. It would have to be full strength Lilt, though, I can’t be doing with reduced sugar rubbish.

It's what neoliberalism has morphed into. It doesn't have much in common with it's 1970s version, and it has almost nothing in common with Adam Smith's version of Liberalism, but it is the consequence of a "greed is good" mantra. Some did well, some didn't. Those that did increasingly wanted to make it a closed shop to the point where, as you say, it's really not all that different to Russia or China. The state used to make a tiny amount of already very rich people even richer. Competition, one of the key facets of capitalism, has disappeared. And when the roulette-esque nature of the economy inevitably crashes you just bail it out with public money and tell everyone there is no alternative. Luckily for them, people believed it. Many still do. Of all the subjects at school that are taught badly, economics is the worst of the lot. Most people have some idea about history, even if it's biased towards the country that they live in. But economics? There are people in the Question Time audience still conflating the economics of one person with that of a fucking country that can print its own money. Until that isn't the case, politics will just be a serious of tedious arguments about immigrants and pronouns.

You want Stig to get battered twice? Only twice?

The other day she was telling me about a dish called Lobster Theodore.

City on A Hill Series 2,excellent stuff again. This series is class. Kevin Bacon is superb in a series written/produced by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and directed by Ed Bianchi(although those credits may be mixed up!) Good stuff nonetheless.

Look, if you want to interpret drunken violence as political protest (like Neville, unlike Souness), fine. If you want to discuss the cause behind that fantasy of political protest (and thereby to justify it - like Neville, unlike Souness), fine. But then you're discussing something at best distantly related to what was actually happening then and there (like Neville, unlike Souness). Personally, I don't see why we should be so charitable to that gang of Manchester United fans - or indeed the Sky Sports agenda voiced by Neville.

Tell you what, Gary - lots of stones are being thrown in glass houses on this whole issue. Anybody know any glaziers?

Wants get some Bio Oil on that scar.

Rico is jealous that women are touching transgender prisoners cocks and not his.

And so to today’s offering from budding Dick Whittington and all round top fox, Laurence Fox.

She should change her name to the Real Duchess of Sussex. Or The Artist Formerly Known as the Duchess of Sussex.

Any football 'reset' will start and end with United getting rid of the Glazers and being bought by China or the Saudis, and then blowing everyone other than City out of the water with their spending power. Maybe thats something that all these Reds wanting to stand 'shoulder to shoulder' with these cunts should think about. This isn't the start of some fan revolution utopia that will see us all end up owning our own clubs. That's never going to happen, so if the difference between United spending 1 billion or 2 billion on players is the Glazers, then call me selfish, but thank fuck for the Glazers.

Who exactly are we supposed to be standing in solitary with? A load of early teens in tracksuits and dodgy haircuts taking selfies as they smash up the ground of the club they ‘love’. Some random piss heads who wander in with their plastic bags full of cans and have a technically substandard kick about. Him who fired a flare at the Sky gantry containing one of their greatest ever captains. The lowlife who showed his nobility by slashing the face of a policeman. Or maybe the more peaceful protesters, if we can find any, that have never involved themselves with ‘murderers’ chants or other unsavoury anti Liverpool behaviour. Just let me know who it’s supposed to be and I’m there with my, club shop bought, green and yellow scarf.

How small is this guy ?