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  1. My own wonderful mum passed away three days after Jurgen's. I'd happily walk in front of a train right now. I'm done. I have no idea how he's functioned this past month but there's no way he should be left to manage as normal. The club needs to give him exceptional support, someone else needs to do the media duties, and the players need to show their support really publicly - not because it will help him, it won't, but because they owe him.
    31 points
  2. There's a lot to unpack here but even so, I'm going to try to keep this as brief as possible again, not least because I didn’t even see any of it after it went 1-1. Maybe if I had kept the TV on I’d be more pissed off about the way we capitulated, but I didn’t see the capitulation though so that’s not my primary focus of anger. I switched it off because I’ve had enough. This sport is rigged. Officials are dictating the outcomes of games for reasons I’m not going to speculate on. I don’t know why this complete dishonesty and utter lack of sporting integrity is happening, I just know that it is. Because I see it virtually every week. Not just in our games either, although we do seem to be on the receiving end more than most. I’ve seen too much evidence of it this season to put it down to bad luck or acts of random incompetence. It isn’t that. If you want to tell yourself it is because you don’t want to look like a conspiracy loon or bad loser or whatever, that’s fine. Have at it. Keep telling yourself this is happening because referees are shit. Funny how we never benefit from that ‘shitness’ though, eh? This was the straw that broke this particular camel’s back. I don’t think I’ve ever switched off before the end of a game before. Certainly not with this long to left to go. I had to though. For my own sanity. I couldn’t watch anymore of this shit. There’s only so much you can take before completely snapping and if I’d kept that TV on I’d have done something I regretted. I love my big TV, I don't want to see it with the coffee table embedded in it. So I switched it off and went into another room. I knew what was happening because I had my phone and the lads in various group chats were posting about it but I didn’t see it so somehow it wasn’t as bad. That equaliser being allowed to stand broke something in me though. I’ve honestly had enough now, I don’t even want to watch footy anymore as it’s corrupt as fuck. I’ve been saying it for months and not just relating to our games, but in general. On those close offside decisions they decide what decision they want to make and they then manipulate the lines to fit. That Leicester goal is offside under the current shitty rules. Without VAR I’m fine with that being given as a goal as it’s close. No problem if a linesman thinks its level and gives a goal. One of those things, it happens. Arguing about offside decisions that are that close is pointless. How can you expect a lino to be 100% when it’s that tight? As soon as you bring the video into it though it’s a different ball game. I’ve seen goals allowed / disallowed based on lines being drawn a few centimetres back of where one should be and a few ahead of where the other should be. The lines here are bullshit. The line is on the shoulder of the Leicester player. Compare that with the one Bamford had disallowed where they drew the line nearer his fucking elbow. Or Virgil at Goodison. Countless others too. And look at the line for where Bobby’s boot supposedly is. Is he wearing Sideshow Bob’s clown shoes or what? (actually that would explain a lot) As I say, they give whatever decision they WANT to give. If there was any way the cunt on VAR could have given the penalty instead of a free-kick he would have done. Anthony Taylor couldn’t wait to point the spot and will have been gutted he was over-ruled. Surprised the baldy manc cunt didn’t join in the celebrations with the Leicester players. Fuck him. Everything time he’s near one of our games bad shit happens. I’ve had enough now. I can live with us not winning games and just being a top half side. Shit, I’ve lived with it for large parts of the last 30 years. I can’t be doing with this incessant fucking cheating we’re being subjected to. Because it is cheating. Anthony Taylor and VAR not giving a free-kick when a defender shoves Sadio over with two fucking hands is cheating. Call it an error if you like, but it isn’t. This is the problem. I keep saying it but when you look at these decisions in isolation you can say “he got that wrong” or “could have gone either way” or whatever. And that is exactly how these cunts have been getting away with it all season. Because taken in isolation you can explain away any decision. It’s bullshit though. They know what they’re doing. Don’t tell me that four officials all ‘forgot’ to send off Pickford. Don’t tell me that Lee Mason the VAR saw Mo shoved in the back on the edge of the Fulham box when they scored and thought ‘that’s not a foul’. No, he saw it and he knew it was a foul. Just as the cunts on duty at Goodison all knew it should have been a red card. And these fuckers in this game knew EXACTLY what they wanted to do and they did it. And they’ll keep doing it because they can. There’s nothing to stop them doing it. They give decisions based on what they WANT to give and not on what they SHOULD be giving. There’s no way to prove it of course and I’m almost certain there’ll be no money trail to follow because it isn’t THAT kind of corruption. At least I hope it isn’t. But don’t tell me this is a level playing field and we just aren’t getting the rub of the green because it’s fucking bollocks. I switched off when that goal was allowed to stand because what is the point in watching this anymore? Seriously? Why should we watch? We invest so much time, money and emotion into a sport that is now about as legitimate as WWE. At least WWE fans know their sport is rigged and aren’t under the illusions football fans are. We may as well have Vince McMahon sat in his office deciding on the outcomes of these games. Instead it’s Dermot Gallagher, a twat who looks like a dandelion with all the fluff blown off. His little bunch of minions are shafting us every other week. It isn’t random acts of incompetence. The sample size is way to big to explain it away like that. We’ve got enough problems of our own to deal with but when you factor in the completely one sided officiating of our games there’s just no chance really. Virgil won’t change this. Shit, we could build a team machine and bring Alan Hansen back from the 80s to play against him and it won’t make a blind bit of difference. For 75 minutes of this game we were good. We were clearly better than Leicester and deservedly led. A win would have been huge for us when you look at the table. It would have helped rebuild some of the fragile confidence. But then out of nowhere the rug is pulled out from under us. Firstly, that’s not a foul in a million years. Trent and Thiago have closed off any space and there’s nowhere for Barnes to get though. So he knocks the ball through and runs straight into Thiago. I see Thiago getting a lot of stick for that (especially from that skinny cunt McManaman who was an absolute disgrace on commentary by the way) but Barnes is hitting the deck regardless of anything Trent or Thiago do. Thiago doesn’t even tackle him. He initially goes to but then doesn’t, and Barnes just throws himself to the floor. He’s playing for it and he was all afternoon. He got Jones booked with a dive, he did the exact same thing to Trent soon after and then Kabak was booked because Barnes ran straight into him as well. Put it this way, would Salah have been given a foul for that? Or put it yet another way, would Barnes have been awarded a pen in the first half for the incident in which Mo got the ball first and was clipped on the foot? I think we know the answer to those questions, but if you’re unsure about the second one then I’ve got two words for you. Danny. Welbeck. This is what I’m saying. You can look at any of these incidents and justify the decisions made because they’re subjective. It’s only when you look at how many of these ’subjective’ decisions have gone against us and how few have gone for us that the true picture emerges. That wasn’t even a fucking foul but Taylor pointed to the spot immediately, even though it was outside the box. VAR must have been like “sorry Ant, I’d love to let that stand but it’s outside and I can’t get away with it. We’ll get ‘em though, don’t worry”. Seconds later he’s like “it’s ok, he’s offside but it’s close enough that I can sort it. Jobs a good ‘un”. And just like that, 75 minutes of good work is undone and our players lost their fucking heads completely. It’s easy to criticise them for that but we knew going into the game that their confidence was fragile and it just seems to me that there’s only so much adversity you can rail against until eventually you just succumb to it. I mean fucking hell, I didn’t even want to watch it after that ‘goal’ but those lads are then expected to just pick themselves up and get on with it. And then when they do, Sadio is blatantly shoved to the floor, it gets ignored and just like that it’s 2-1 in a game we had under complete control. If I’m Hendo I’d have walked off the pitch at that point and forfeited the game in protest. No fucking wonder they let in a third. Their heads will have gone completely. I haven’t seen the second or third goals, all I’ve seen after it went 1-1 was the two handed shove on Mané that was ignored. I don’t care who was at fault or what happened after that equaliser. I honestly just don’t give a fuck because it’s irrelevant anyway. For us to have any chance of overcoming the officiating we’d have to be playing at the level we were last season (at least until before Watford) and that’s just not going to happen with the injuries we’ve had and with no fans. We’ve dropped off significantly due to various factors but with a level playing field we’d still be comfortable in second or at the absolute worst third. If I had a choice I’d fuck the Premier League off completely and the only games I’d watch for the rest of the season would be Champions League. That’s not an option for me because this is my fucking job. There’s no escape. No walking away from it and there’s actually a part of me feels guilty that I switched the TV off at 1-1 because this is my job and I take pride in it. The truth is though, if I had another way of making a living I’d walk away from this tomorrow because I fucking despise what they’ve done to football now, with their stupid rule changes and VAR bollocks and jumped up little fucking nazi refs throwing their weight around without any kind of comeback. What can you do though? If Klopp complains he’ll get fined and nothing will change. If he doesn’t, they just carry on anyway. If he were to insist on that bald fuck Taylor being banned from our games one of his buddies will step up and screw us even more just to teach us a lesson. Besides, it isn’t just Taylor. There’s at least half a dozen of them who are continually fucking us. We’re at the point now though were we have nothing to lose. Klopp should go off on one big time with a list of all the times we’ve been shafted. He should also instruct the players to be fucking hammering the ref from start too finish. We just accept these decisions and say fuck all. From now on, I want all of them fucking surrounding them and screaming at them. If it’s Mason or Taylor I want Hendo screaming “YOU CHEATING BALDY MANC CUNT”. If it’s Jon Moss I want him or Robbo or Trent or whoever in his face calling him a fat useless sack of shit. Take the fucking headset off them and abuse the VAR twat as well. And if one gets sent off, then another one needs to get right in there and do it. They can’t send everyone off. Show the cunts we’re not standing for it anymore. I despise the body language of our players when these decisions are going against us. We make it easy for them by saying fuck all. It does my head in. Stand up for yourselves. I don’t give a fuck if that’s not Klopp’s way. Let these cheating fucks know we’re onto them and apply some pressure on them. Seriously, I guarantee none of them have the balls to send two or three players off for dissent. You’ll notice I’ve said virtually nothing about how we played and what worked and what didn’t, because what’s the point? Seriously, none of it matters when you’re up against this kind of shit. I actually feel that criticising players or pointing out mistakes is glossing over the real problem in this game which was 100% the officials. It was fine until they fucked us over. Looking at what happened after that is just a distraction from the real issue. I can’t write a ‘normal’ match report for this game because my head has gone completely. I can’t get past the officiating screwing us over like that again. I said a few weeks back that going into games now I never fear the opposition (other than City to an extent) but I’m terrified of what the officials will do. THIS is exactly why. Every week I worry about what the officials are going to do and half the time it turns out to be justified. So I don’t give a shit about Alisson supposedly fucking up again (haven’t seen it) or Kabak getting done on a goal (haven’t seen it). I’m not arsed about Thiago still looking like a fish out of water or Bobby being shite again (other than that glorious assist). I’m not arsed because I just don’t think it matters anymore. The season is fucked because everything that could go wrong has gone wrong and any attempt to fight through that shit is being undermined at every turn by cheating from the officials. So yeah, that’s how I feel and I don’t care if it sounds like paranoia or self pity. I might be paranoid but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Team: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Kabak, Henderson, Robertson; Wijnaldum, Milner (Thiago), Jones (Oxlade-Chamberlain); Salah, Firmino, Mané:
    12 points
  3. There will still be many people who are either extremely clinically vulnerable or clinically vulnerable, yet to be fully vaccinated. My father isn’t in the most at risk category but spent 6 weeks in ICU, then two weeks in a high dependency ward, is still in hospital and is unable to sit or stand unaided. He’s making good progress but isn’t out of the woods just yet. Covid-19 knocked him for six, causing him to have a heart attack and develop sepsis and blood clots.
    10 points
  4. We really have some utter shite following us.
    9 points
  5. When you walk through a storm Hold your head up high And don't be afraid of the dark At the end of a storm There's a golden sky And the sweet silver song of a lark Walk on through the wind Walk on through the rain Though your dreams be tossed and blown Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone
    7 points
  6. Ingrained I would say. More than deliberate. Generations of people up and down this country indoctrinated into the 'all scourers are thieves, bad, trouble' mentality. They stopped putting 'No blacks or Irish' signs up on guesthouses and hotel front doors in the mid to late to part of the 80's, Im surprised they never replaced it with 'Scousers'. For me you can pin-point 3 key areas that saw a country decide to give Liverpool its nasty neighbour tag The Militant Tendency in the 80's Heysel Hillsborough All perceived as nasty scousers causing trouble, disgracing the good name of the country and something that only they do, no not us from (slot name in here), we're above all that. Complain and you're tagged as a crying scouser.......You know the dance. I'm proud of my accent, my city and my cities self alienation to the rest of the country and the insular approach we have taken over the years. The beauty with our city and our culture is - we have always led and never followed, the 80's were tough years the drugs, the gangs, the fashion, the music, but we all led and never were led in both the good and the bad. Now, I look around the country at those 'only scousers are like that' areas, those same areas, have gone twice as bad as Liverpool ever was - ASBO's, car crime, theft, assaults, all soar around the country. I look at my city and yes, like most urban dwellings it has its issues, but this city has moved forward, it is a haven for a multi cultural community and again, we are leading, not being led. So fuck them, is what I say, Liverpool will always be different to the rest, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
    7 points
  7. This will be a long read... Complete hypothetical scenario here. Using the current first team squad as listed on the offal. Let's fast forward to the summer and a worst case finish, so no Champions League, perhaps no European football at all. All our loanees return, Kabak returns to Schalke, and everyone magically returns to full fitness giving us a complete first team squad of: GK - Alisson, Adrian, Kelleher, Pitaluga, Karius, Grabara. DF - Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Van Dijk, Robertson, Neco Williams, Joel Matip, Ben Davies, Kostas Tsimikas, Nat Phillips, Rhys Williams, van den Berg. MF - Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Thiago, Wijnaldum, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Keita, Jones, Shaqiri, Woodburn, Grujic. FW - Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota, Origi, Minamino, Wilson, Elliott, Awoniyi, Ojo. Within this squad of players, Adrian and Wijnaldum have contracts that expire at the end of June 2021. There's an option of another year for Adrian, but let's assume that it is not picked up and he is allowed to leave on a free. Gini also leaves on a free, as a deal for a new contract cannot be reached between both parties. Of the returning loanees, I'd suggest that only van den Berg, Minamino & Elliott will remain in this first team squad, with the others being made available for transfer. Potential outgoing permanent transfers: Karius (£2m), Grabara (£2m), Grujic (£10m), Wilson (£10m), Awoniyi (£5m) & Ojo (£2m) - Values in brackets based on those currently provided on Transfermarkt.com, and my own thoughts on the reputation of each player and their respective depreciation between now and the end of the current season. So if all 6 of the above do leave on permanent deals, then we could be looking at ~£30m in incoming transfer fees. Our squad now looks like this: GK - Alisson, Kelleher, Pitaluga. DF - Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Van Dijk, Robertson, Neco Williams, Joel Matip, Ben Davies, Kostas Tsimikas, Nat Phillips, Rhys Williams, van den Berg. MF - Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Thiago, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Keita, Jones, Shaqiri, Woodburn. FW - Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota, Origi, Minamino, Elliott. From this updated squad, I would suggest that Rhys Williams, Sepp van den Berg & Ben Woodburn would be allowed to leave on loan, so we're now down to this: GK - Alisson, Kelleher, Pitaluga. DF - Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Van Dijk, Robertson, Neco Williams, Joel Matip, Ben Davies, Kostas Tsimikas, Nat Phillips. MF - Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Thiago, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Keita, Jones, Shaqiri. FW - Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota, Origi, Minamino, Elliott. From this squad, we know that we have players who can certainly be classed as injury prone: Matip, Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain & Shaqiri. 5 of the outfield squad members will also be 30+ come the end of the summer transfer window: Matip (30), Van Dijk (30), Thiago (30), Henderson (31) & Milner (35). Then of course we need to factor in the potential departure of fringe players, either because Klopp and his coaching team no longer believe they are first team standard, or if the players themselves ask to leave so that they have a better opportunity of playing first team football elsewhere. Still, you need to have a buyer to take these players off our hands, which is something we'll have very little influence over. I'm going to speculate that Nat Phillips (£1.5m), Shaqiri (£12m) and Origi (£10m) are the most likely departures - Values in brackets are based on those currently provided on Transfermarkt.com, and my own thoughts on the reputation of each player and their respective depreciation between now and the end of the current season. If these 3 players were to leave, then we could be looking at ~£23m in incoming transfer fees. Coupled with the earlier departures, our total incomings could be ~£50m +/-. We now have a first team squad as follows: GK - Alisson, Kelleher, Pitaluga. ( 3 ) DF - Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Van Dijk, Robertson, Neco Williams, Joel Matip, Ben Davies, Kostas Tsimikas. ( 8 ) MF - Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Thiago, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Keita, Jones. ( 7 ) FW - Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota, Minamino, Elliott. ( 6 ) That gives us a first team squad of 24 players. These 24 players would likely be supplemented by the following players from The Academy set-up: Jaros, Koumetio, Cain, Clarkson, Glatzel - Based purely on my own observations and opinion of where players sit in the youth teams. All of these players are still eligible as Under 21s for squad registration purposes, as are Pitaluga, Neco Williams, Jones & Elliott from the first team squad. As for the homegrown rule, we have 7 players eligible for home grown status from the squad of 24 - not including the U21 players. Alternatively, that means we have 13 non-home grown players, again excluding the U21 players, which allows us a maximum of 4 over 21 non-home grown that can be added to our squad. We can have a maximum of 17 O21 non-home grown players in our Premier League squad. Now that we've established all this information, I would suggest that our most important incoming transfers should be in the middle of the park. The options of incoming midfielders for me will be dictated by the approach that Klopp wants to take next season - Will he continue with the more recent controlled possession approach, or will he look to return to the more direct attacking approach that we seen when he first arrived? If we continue with the controlled approach, I would like to see us go after a traditional number 10 type, like Coutinho or a player of a similar ilk. I would also want another striker if we continued with the controlled approach, someone who would occupy defenders and stay higher up the pitch than Bobby does currently. If we opt for the more direct approach, then we'll need someone with strong running power who is adept at arriving late in the opposition box and be willing to go beyond the striker when they drop deep. This should be the role that Oxlade-Chamberlain or Keita should occupy, but they've both been somewhat injury prone, so for me, we need to look elsewhere for a more reliable solution. Once the midfielder(s) have been sorted out, I'd then focus on another centre back and another striker. Midfielders that we've been linked with over the course of the season include Renato Sanches (Lille), Yves Bissouma (Brighton), Rodrigo de Paul (Udinese) and most recently Florian Neuhaus (Gladbach). I like what I see from Bissouma and think he can develop into a very good central midfielder, unfortunately he doesn't score many goals - This could obviously improve, but he doesn't strike me as a midfielder who'll bag you ~10 goals in all competitions during a season. Neuhaus is the intriguing player for me. More of a goal threat than Bissouma and anyone else currently in our midfield. Would certainly not come cheap. I would suggest a fee of ~£40-45m would be needed to tempt Gladbach into selling, especially if they were to qualify for the Champions League next season. I think he'd get closer to 10 goals in a season than any midfielder we currently have on our books. I've not seen enough of Sanches or de Paul to make an informed opinion on either player. At centre back, I'm going to take the easy way out and suggest that we will take up the option to sign Kabak on a permanent deal from Schalke in the summer. Kabak again would qualify as an Under 21 player, so would not effect the non-home grown status. The option would be an initial £18m fee, with a potential £8.5m in add-ons on top. I do also think that Kristoffer Ajer at Celtic could be a candidate for 3rd/4th choice centre half - He'd be available on a free in the summer too. Now on to the striker. This is going to be a straight up personal choice - Wout Weghorst (Wolfsburg). I want an option up front that we don't have, and haven't had since Crouchie. I want to see us sign an old fashioned target man type striker. Someone with technical ability and who will put in a shift too. That man is Wout Weghorst. He's a goal scorer, he's a grafter, he's got good feet for a big man, and he's a proper threat in the air. Something we don't have outside van Dijk, and maybe Matip to a lesser degree. Our fullbacks have some of the best delivery into the box from wide areas in all of World football, but there's rarely an aerial threat in the opposition box to really make the most of these crosses. He'd also add considerable height when defending set pieces in our own box. Again, he wouldn't come cheap. He's a key player at Wolfsburg and scores the majority of their goals, which currently sees them sitting third in the Bundesliga, so qualification for the Champions League next season is certainly not out of the question. I would say ~£35m might tempt Wolfsburg to the negotiating table. The player himself as previously professed his love for us according to several online football sites - some more credible than others of course. With these 3 incomings, our squad would be this: GK - Alisson, Kelleher, Pitaluga. ( 3 ) DF - Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Van Dijk, Robertson, Neco Williams, Joel Matip, Ben Davies, Tsimikas, Kabak. ( 9 ) MF - Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Thiago, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Keita, Jones, Neuhaus. ( 8 ) FW - Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota, Minamino, Elliott, Weghorst. ( 7 ) We now have a squad of 27 players - 15 non-home grown, 7 home grown and 5 under 21. Based on my estimated valuations, plus the agreed option fee for Kabak (inclusive of add-ons), our outgoings would be ~£105m +/-. If we were able to recoup ~£50m as mentioned much earlier in this post, then net spend would be ~£55m. Below are the figures for this current season provided by lfchistory.net and are inclusive of add-ons. 2020/21 outgoings - £85.75m 2020/21 incomings - £51.40m 2020/21 net - £34.35m So we'd need an increase of ~£21m net spend based on my hypothetical valuations. I know the players I would like to see come in are not going to get people on the edge of their seats, but I do believe that these signings, or similar, would bolster the squad and provide alternatives that we don't currently have, and have not had for some time. If you've made it this far without falling asleep, then I obviously haven't done my job correctly and will need to add more waffle to any future posts of this type...
    7 points
  8. If the crowds were allowed he'd feel the love...and some. I didn't really wanna post my personal stuff on here, but I lost my dad over Christmas. The greatest man I have ever known (This thread has some info about him). I don't profess to know what Jurgen is going through - but I know it must be hard. God bless him and give him strength, whatever he decides.
    6 points
  9. I can't believe its even up for discussion. We've got far too many two-bob mings from miles away who have never and will never go to Anfield with far too much to say for themselves when the reality is they know fuck all about what it means to be a fan of this football club. We could be bottom right now and I'd still want Klopp to stay.
    5 points
  10. Tuesday Feb 9: I wasn’t going to do the diary this week. After the weekend I just wanted to forget all about footy until the next game, which thankfully is a week away. The window is shut so there’s not really much going on anyway, so I figured it was best to skip it this week rather than dwell on the misery. But I accidentally stumbled across something on youtube today and I can’t let it pass without comment. I watch a lot of golf stuff on youtube so my plan was to just dive into that this week and forget all about the footy. The problem is, I also watch stuff on the Reds quite a bit and as I’ve mentioned before I also watch a LOT of Roy Keane. So I’m watching a golf video but I leave the room. The video finishes and youtube’s algorithm understandably thinks “oh here’s a clip of Keano talking about the Reds. I’ll play this for him as he loves this shit”. I come back in the room and Keane is talking about what “bad champions” we’ve been. I should have turned it off but it piqued my interest. He’s right, we have been bad champions if you remove all context from the season. Conceding seven at Villa, dropping points to pretty much all of the bottom six clubs, shitting the bed against City… none of it befitting of the defending Champions. But fuck me, you can’t disregard all of the factors that have contributed to this. Other teams have made a worse fist of defending the title than we have, and you don't have to go back far to find them. City last season. They lost nine games and were a million points behind us by this stage of the season. But they lost Laporte so they had no chance, right? Funny how the likes of Keane don't seem to be arsed about all the things we've had to contend with. Firstly, we’re in a fucking global pandemic. Secondly there are no fans in stadiums which has dramatically reduced the adrenaline of the players which leads to less intense games. Thirdly, there was no pre-season so players (right across the whole league) are not performing to their normal level of fitness. Fourthly we’ve got half a team either missing or playing out of position. We’ve been playing with no centre halves and a back up midfield. I could go on but you all know this. Everyone knows it. Keane knows it too, but for whatever reason he decided to “go into character” and played the angry, disgusted old pro who would never have let this happen “in my day”. Some of the shite he was coming out with was just embarrassing and insulting. “I never heard any of these players talking about wanting to win the title again” he says. Apparently they were happy with what they’d won and started “believing their own hype”. What hype would that be Roy? Maybe the hype from you, when only a couple of months ago you were eulogising about the drive and hunger those very same players were showing when they went top of the league despite the loss of Van Dijk. All the talk about how it’s harder to retain the title than win it carries some weight, but it’s a lot fucking harder to retain it when you’re dealing with everything that we’ve had to deal with this season. I’m not happy about what’s happened and some degree of criticism is warranted. But “believing their own hype” is not the reason for what we’ve seen. It isn’t even a contributing factor. Not now, maybe it was when we went to Villa and had our pants pulled down, but every team has that kind of an off day occasionally. Even Keane’s Manchester United, who he seems to view with this glossy eyed nostalgia that causes him to ignore the facts. Facts that he himself admitted to in his own autobiography. What facts am I talking about? How about the way they went from top spot in January to finishing miles behind Arsenal just because they lost Rio Ferdinand to a drug ban. Keane himself cited that as the reason their season fell apart, yet he’s not prepared to cut the Reds some slack for losing not only Van Dijk, but also Matip and Gomez. They lost Ferdinand, they still had the rest of their defenders. But they couldn’t cope. Gary Neville also said the same thing. Losing Ferdinand had a massive impact on them both on the field and in terms of the morale of the players. Keane said it too. In his fucking book!! Yet this tit is ripping on our lads, questioning their attitude and telling them they need to just get on with it despite losing Van Dijk. I like watching Keane, he’s entertaining and a lot of what he says is actually spot on, but it’s when you see him sounding off like this with nothing to back it up and leaving himself wide open to calls of hypocrisy that you know why he can never be any good as a manager. Also today, the u18s had a game live on LFCTV. They won 2-1 at Stoke. I thought about watching it but when I saw the team and there was no Layton Stewart and none of the new signings were playing (we’ve signed four in this window, believe it or not) I swerved it. One of the goals was scored by Oakley Cannonier, the ball boy from the Barca game. He’s a good little player him. I’d love him to make it as it’d be a great story. Wednesday Feb 10: Kloppo’s mum died a few weeks ago and he couldn’t go to the funeral. Just fucking brutal this. I realise a lot of people are in the same boat and I know people who have been unable to attend the funerals of loved ones. It’s heartbreaking. The difference is that most people in this situation aren’t in the public eye and having to face the media a dozen times a week answering some stupid as fuck questions. There were some rumours about it at the time but none of the media reported it (even though they must have known, they did the respectful thing and kept quiet). I don’t know how he’s continued functioning to be honest. No wonder he got arsey in a few post match interviews. Just when you think you couldn’t possibly love him any more. Kind of feels like those Spurs and West Ham wins were “let’s do it for Kloppo” performances when the lads were able to temporarily raise their game, and then they just reverted back to how they’d been playing before. On the field tonight Spurs and Everton played out a wild game at Goodison which the Blues won 5-4. I panicked a bit when I saw the score because I thought it would put them above us, but then I realised it was the FA Cup and breathed a sigh of relief. How the fuck has it come to this? Thursday Feb 11: Bloody hell, Fulham got absolutely stiffed on the Harvey Elliott fee. The most we’ll pay is just over £4m and that’s dependant on him getting a second contract and meeting certain other requirements. He’s already worth £15m easily just based on his Blackburn performances this season. This is the way to go isn’t it? Get these superstar kids like Elliott and the lad we just got for Derby and hope they develop in the way everyone thinks. It’s a pity we didn’t get the kid from Birmingham who went to Dortmund. He’s 17 and he’s a regular there. He’s played 20 odd games this season so he must be really fucking good. Friday Feb 12: Fabinho is out tomorrow and possibly longer. Not surprising. He didn’t look right last week and we clearly rushed him back because we were desperate. If Klopp is adamant that he’s going to keep playing him and Hendo at the back then this injury might actually be a blessing because it forces him to put one of the new lads in (presumably Kabak). Klopp also says Jota is 2/3 weeks away and that Keita is closer than that. I don’t give a fuck about Keita, and yet I have to say if he was fit now I reckon he’d probably be playing because Hendo and Fab are in the back four and Thiago is like a square peg (albeit a solid gold diamond encrusted one) in a round hole. We’ve got Leicester tomorrow and honestly I can’t see any scenario in which we come out of there with three points. They’re flying, we’re in a rut. They’ve got Vardy back, we’ve got all manner of issues at the back. The only way we win this game is if the front three all perform, and who has any faith in that happening? Not me. There will be games when they do click and we’ll look great but I’ve given up on expecting every game or predicting when it will happen. I hope it’s tomorrow but I wouldn’t bet on it. Mind you, usually I’m going into every game convinced we’ll win and that’s not worked out too well. Usually when I’m not confident is when the team produces their best performances. So we’ll see. …. and that was the week that was
    4 points
  11. It takes some time, but it does get a little easier, and I’ve learned to allow myself all the time I need to come to terms with it. I don’t wallow in it, but self permission to express the loss, is paramount. I feel for you - be tenacious of spirit. That little photo up there under my user name is Five Lamps Waterloo. That picture keeps me close to my Mum and Dad. It’s one way I deal with things. Just opposite there is Bramhall Road, where they set up their first flat together, newly married, their world in front of them. 1954. My Dad stood on the Kop in between voyages as a merchant seaman. I drive a 1990 Toyota Corona Sedan. Red. It’s 30 yrs old. It was my Dad’s car, from new. I drive it because I can put my hands on the wheel just like he did for 24 yrs. It brings me closer to him. These are the things that keep me going. We need to support Jurgen now more than ever before, as well as the team, even while we feel our own pain. YNWA
    4 points
  12. Thats me done fellas. Nothing against Jurgen or the boys and the things we have dealt with. No, VAR is the most fucking sinister thing I've ever seen and we are royally being targeted, absolutely no question after that today. They couldn't wait to give a pen, couldn't and then decided to fuck us over on the next play. I am done. This is not the game i grew up with. It has nothing to do with out form. Its everything about the game. Fuck it all.
    4 points
  13. We won't get anyone as good as or better than Jurgen I'm dreading the day he announces he's leaving as I would expect many reds are, so if anyone is calling for him to go or worse be sacked they really need to give their heads a fucking wobble
    4 points
  14. Bob Paisley.... He was never an orator like Shankly but did have some sharp one-liners, when asked about his former LFC boss after his first match in charge at Luton Bob replied: "He's trying to get right away from football. I believe he went to Everton."
    4 points
  15. Been playing, "Made Up Movie Facts, " with Mrs D recently. Best ones I've got passed her so far were from Saving Private Ryan. 1. That the guy who plays Old Ryan was Matt Damon's grandad 2. That Spielberg insisted on real corpses for the D-day scene(when they're all bobbing in the tide) and that people donated their bodies for it. She pulled me up on the first one the next day because she checked IMDB but has yet to challenge the corpse one.
    4 points
  16. People are seriously overrating that Utd squad and its players. Reverse the referee decisions of the two teams this year, and we would be 20 pts clear of them.
    4 points
  17. I'm not from Liverpool either but I have always noticed that in the media that anyone from there is considered dodgy and not to be trusted. In a local paper a woman reporter while in Liverpool for the weekend locked her keys in her car and suggested that she Is in the right place for someone to open it for her. Disgusting stuff. I think thatcher has a lot to do with this stereotypical view of the North after the riots caused by the closing down of businesses and withdrawal of government funding which caused desperation of the people and because they fought against the oppression they were seen as trouble maker's and wrong uns. This is the same ploy used by government throughout history. So because of this it is inplanted in people's subconscious that Northerners can't be trusted. This does not explain how utd are treated though as far as var is concerned. They have risen to the top of the league with var and dodgy officials giving them everything. It's astonishing. Var and officials couldn't do anything about Liverpool last season because we were so far ahead of everyone but this season they've been able to slowly break down the team bit by bit, death by a thousand cuts. It's so hard to watch and it's no wonder the players are suffering, it's the injustices every fucking game. This season is done for us and the best we can hope for is a top four finish in the league. Looks like we've been dragged off our perch and won't be allowed back on it until something happens about this shit show. Imagine playing for Liverpool now and in almost every game you are being fucked over with dodgy decisions it must be soul destroying. That's why we should not be picking on our own players and slagging them off as they are trying they're best and they don't need to have us on their backs too.
    4 points
  18. Well I blame them. I had no issue with the system previously. Referees are human, will make errors in a fast-paced game where players cheat all the time. You get angry and you move on. Now I have to have the game stop/started, can't celebrate goals and have to see wrong decisions made in slow motion.
    4 points
  19. I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. Partly because it’s relevant to the work I do, but also in relation to some of the ‘dubious’ decisions Liverpool have had this season. It was also mentioned in the match thread yesterday, so thought it might be worthy of further discussion. I’m not from Liverpool, not a Scouser, so others will be better placed than me to comment on whether this plays a part in the way they, their city and their football team might be impacted by this. Sometimes we all like to cry ‘corruption’. Maybe it really is as serious as that but, more likely, if there’s anything at all going on, it’s fuelled through unconscious bias. Anthony Taylor, yesterday’s referee, might believe he’s completely neutral, but can he/we be sure he’s not had an unconscious bias influenced against all things Liverpool as an output of where he was born and currently resides. I wonder if the referees receive training in this areas. I’d hope they get equality and diversity education, but is unconscious bias included? If not, it should be. Of course, there’s a balance. It’s possible that Liverpool FC benefit from unconscious bias from time to time but, I suspect, less often than they suffer from it. Or maybe it’s not unconscious bias, it’s completely conscious, just old fashioned cheating....
    3 points
  20. Best thing about that list is that there are no Queen albums on it.
    3 points
  21. So sorry to hear that gk, sending big hugs mate. My own Ma died in November and I was in the hospital with covid for a few weeks after, so was unable to attend her funeral. My heart goes out to you and Jurgen both, such a horrible helpless tragic situation. YNWA mate.
    3 points
  22. The clear offside wasn't even considered which is the worrying thing. It was as clear as day and had Pawson not changed his mind about the 'foul' the penalty would have been given. Utterly inept.
    3 points
  23. I pretty much checked out at half time of the Brighton away game. A free kick given against us every time they flopped to the floor, but White stops a promising attack (yellow card offence) with a forearm to Jota's throat (yellow card offence) - no card shown. Since then I've only watched a couple of games live, last one being the Brighton home game (big mistake!). It's been clear since early on that it's open house on our players. It's the sense of injustice that gets the blood boiling. Lots of big decisions going against us, and way,way more small ones - and there's nothing you can do. Can't even bawl at a linesman from the stands now. For the sake of my health, and my wife's sanity - she can't stand to hear 'This is fucking bent!!', followed by the sound of an object hitting the wall, any more - I've distanced myself from all football. The footy is just not the same with out fans, and the previously awful refereeing has got several times worse this season. Yet, read the media, you wouldn't know there's a problem. It's apparently no big deal that Mike Dean, plus VAR official with all the technology, plus 4th official plus lineperson got a major call wrong. Then they all did it again in the very next game. Or that Tierney blew up 5 seconds short of the MINIMUM amount of added on time with Mane about to run clear (dodgy as fuck that was). Or ManU equalised at West Ham after the ball went TWO FEET out of play. Or City scoring dodgy offside/onside goals in consecutive games. Or Walcott's red card challenge on Milner where we didn't even get a free kick (in a game where we had two clear penalties denied). Or Pickfor/van Dyke. Or a shedload of flaky offisde lines. Or a load of dodgy penalties. I don't blame any of our lads for letting their heads drop - everything has gone against them this season, some of it unfortunate, lots of it bent-as-fuck. I'll keep in touch with what's going on through these threads and Dave's reports (mentality monster, Dave) but I can't see me re-engaging anytime soon.
    3 points
  24. It doesn't take a conspiracy and Blue Byzantine proportions for there to be an agenda. You can split hairs about whether it is 'corruption', or just 'bias' of any kind, but there is going to be a degree of both, plus incompetence, for the type of dreadful officiating we have seen the team subjected to this season. Bias (unconscious/ conscious): well Manchester's Anthony Taylor, is a likely candidate, for a start. Mike Riley at VAR would definitely not be classed as unconscious bias, given his stellar career fucking us over as a ref. Incompetence: Michael Oliver in the derby springs to mind. Probably the worse performance in his career, given he fucked up the biggest of calls. I'm not including David Coote here, as I don't believe he 'forgot' the rules, sitting comfortably in Bletchley Park, in relative obscurity compared to the pressure Oliver was under. Corruption: Again, doesn't require SPECTRE, The Powers That Be (copyright Everton), or the Reverse Vampires. Just a couple of likeminded individuals, fellow travellers, who find they have a club they both detest and decide to fuck them up whenever possible, for shits and giggles. Not all the time, just when the opportunity arises. For example: Imagine there are 4 colleagues at a firm. They all love golf, and decide to have a lads' golfing holiday, somewhere tropical. Maybe Thailand or Indonesia. They go there, get pissed, go to red light areas, hang out with the ladies they find there, do the 'what happens on the golfiing holiday stays on the golfing holiday stuff'. During one of their pissed-up evenings, all four of them agree that they can't stand someone from work, a lower level manager, and decide that when they get back they'll fuck with his head. For "a laugh". They get back to work, and golfer 1, let's call him David, witholds important information that causes their victim to make a bad business decision that causes the firm some embarassment. Golfer 2, Kevin, ensures that their victim's team's grievences are magnified and passed up the management chain, ensuring their victim looks like a twat to the CEO. Golfer 3, let's call him Martin, publicises an error that their victim made in the past. Golfer 4, Andy, offers the CEO his opinion confirming that, yes, the victim is a liability to the firm. That is not a grand conspiracy, requiring great planning and timing - it's a humdrum one just requiring opportunity and an immense degree of twattishness from the instigators. But it is still death by a thousand cuts for their victim.
    3 points
  25. I think the unconscious bias is applicable specifically to individual players like Salah he's accused of being a diver going down to easily, legitimate fouls are ignored. Salah is just the example this applies to all clubs ( bar one ). Kane is entitled to go down if he feels a touch if Salah does it we don't want to see that in the game. That said the foul on Mane yesterday being ignored was just blatent and Taylor should publicly have to give his justifications for ignoring a blatent as they come foul. Football is just a soap opera for men with VAR it's best just treating it like a comedy now, it's mad really people get into a tizz, fans literally say the most disgusting things about other human beings who are in the same boat as them over a game! one where the people on the pitch earn so much money they may aswell exist on another plane of existence.
    3 points
  26. It wouldn't be the first time in the last year that I've donned a suit for a game of FM. Me and a group of friends have been meeting every Thursday since last March to play a game of FM13 (the most recent version that most of us owned). We've donned suits for a couple of cup finals. Our partners think we're fucking mental. I'm more of a cap and jeans manager.
    3 points
  27. Schedule for today. 1st League game fixture 12pm/results 1pm 2nd League game fixture 1.30pm/results 2.30pm 3rd League game fixture 3pm/results 4pm 4th League game fixture 4.30pm/results 5.30pm FA Cup Final Teams at 6pm/results 7pm. @No2 & @aRdja UEFA Cup teams 7:30pm/results 8:30pm @Captain Turdseye CL Final Teams 9pm/results 10pm @Scott_M & @Karl_b See you all later!
    3 points
  28. 3 points
  29. More people are dying than ever before. Null and Void. You know it is right.
    3 points
  30. Covid Recovery Group, as insulting a name as the European Research Group. Tory pricks.
    3 points
  31. I didn’t think he did anything wrong today. Wasn’t at fault for any of the goals and has landed in the middle of the leagues biggest basket case yet he’s getting pilloried. Still would have started Phillips today over him.
    3 points
  32. Done this now to get it out of the way. Don't want to be dwelling on this longer than I have to. Just want to completely ignore anything to do with footy now until our next game on Tuesday.
    3 points
  33. Special thanks to Stronts and John102 for knocking me out of the Champions League. Did me a massive favour because now I’m tasting sweet success while they’re left with fuck all. Told my lads to take a medal each, get fucking bladdered tonight and then we’ll switch our focus firmly onto the new season. Nobody wants to get Inter Yermam.
    2 points
  34. Just finished "This is going to hurt" by Adam Kay. Don't know why I've waited this long but it is absolutely brilliant.
    2 points
  35. Harry Maguire “ this is a difficult place to come” ...West Brom have won one game at home all season . I guess you really can be as stupid as you look
    2 points
  36. How. The. Fuck. Did. They. Not. Even. Check. That. Offside?
    2 points
  37. Do you know what pissed me off most about that? Not a single player complains or protests to the ref
    2 points
  38. 2 points
  39. Jurgen is the best manager in the world and the only manager for our club. I would not want anybody else. These rumours are utter shite anyway.
    2 points
  40. This shitfest is hurting him badly. Him, Henderson and Curtis are the only lads who look like theyve got any fight in them and once Curtis gets the hook we’re falling to pieces. The rest of them are just shrugging their shoulders and throwing the towel in as soon as it goes against us. I’d make him vice captain now and give him the extra responsibility he’s earned. Best LB I’ve ever seen.
    2 points
  41. Am I alone in thinking Chelsea and Man City's trophies mean absolutely nothing?
    2 points
  42. Would like to see FSG take a firm hand and send him and his Mrs on a fortnights compassionate leave on the USS John Henry yacht round Dubai. Take his phone off him so he can get the fuck away from football and recharge. The mental stress the mans been under getting us back to the top then having to go through all what he’s been through these past few months must be incredible. Managing this club is all consuming and it shouldn’t come before his mental health. He can keep his eye on virgil while he’s out there anyway so at least he’s keeping his eye in.
    2 points
  43. The whole thing just feels very sinister the way they are coming to these decisions I mean how is todays allowed When they disallowed the Mane one and even worse the Bamford one for Leeds v Palace It’s just corrupt as fuck but as usual rival fans will go all tribal and think it’s hilarious without realising they could be on the receiving end of it (unless you’re Utd) next week And then to rub salt into the wounds we have the blatant push on Mane before Vardy scores the second which 9 times out of 10 are rightly given as it’s an obvious foul and one which that manc Taylor was literally on top of. Slightly off kilter but I really hope England get shafted and go out to a dodgy decision in the Euros
    2 points
  44. Just finished ‘The Power of the Dog’ as recommended on here. A right stonking good read. Not a literary masterpiece but who cares. 8/10. Started another GF Book Thread suggestion last night. Slow Horses by Mick Herron. Early days but it has potential. Other than those with photos of fit women, this is my favourite thread on the GF. I’ve been introduced to some really good books on here.
    2 points



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