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I doubt that the average black person would put censoring Fawlty Towers and erasing Gladstone from history on their list of priorities. I would question how much of this stuff is actually coming from the black community, and how much of it is the usual bandwagon jumpers using the important issue of systemic racism to spark a culture war.

Elvis has left the building. I've done it mate. It's terrible for the finances but good for the soul.

It will all be pretty much the same mate. Apart from the Lord Nelson thats currently being replaced with a giant catapult capable of holding 72 Norwegians at a time with a maximum reach of 510 miles

It's the Elvis 2020 Comeback Special.

Gandhi was a racist though, that's well documented. Maybe it's time we stopped putting people in boxes marked Goodies and Baddies and acknowledged that human beings are deeply complex and flawed creatures who can't easily be pigeonholed like that.

The "offending" scene in Fawlty Towers equates racist language with being an unhinged daft dotard. Nowt wrong with that at all. If you really wanted to take offence with Fawlty Towers, the insulting stereotype of a Spanish waiter is front and centre every episode. As for Gladstone, Baden Powell, Churchill, etc. you have to ask what the statues are commemorating; respectively, being a long-serving Prime Minister, founding the Boy Scouts and being the wartime PM. Whatever else those people may have done, the statues aren't there to celebrate those things. The bloke in Bristol and the one in East London (as far as I can see) did nothing except profit from slavery. Those two can fuck off. The statues reflect on what society, in general, thinks is worth commemorating. They are put on a pedestal, so you can literally look up to them and say "nice one!" I think it's fair to say that, most of us, would consider leading the country through the war and founding the Boy Scouts are things people can still look up to, but slavery isn't.

I went to school with Liam, he always gets described as a Welshman in the national press but he's as Scouse as you and me. He posted this on Facebook yesterday, just another of his regular pranks I assumed. Absolutely mad that it's blown up like it has.

Ok, I’ll buy them. Thanks for confirming mate.

You bigoted so-and-so. <- Had to, it’s the TLW way. I appreciate the post though, so many views on this subject that aren’t directly in line with ‘just accept it and move on’ are shouted down without honest and legitimate discussion, especially on this subject. For me, it has been a difficult one to wrap my head around. There’s so much (and many... snarf) bollocks mixed into the subject that it was confusing and hard to understand. I’m not an expert, this isn’t my chosen field of speciality, but it is something I’ve looked into a little bit recently. On one hand you’ve got the very real condition of Gender Dysphoria (formerly Gender Identity Disorder) that is a result of genetic and other factors. On the other hand, you have twats trying to claim things like trans women can have periods, and all sorts of other nonsense. Trans men can have periods, at least some. Well, that’s biology not giving a fuck, and it’s because they’re still biological females. Issue is, It allows people who are actually bigoted to run with only those silly things and try to deny rights and legitimacy to trans people. There are twitter accounts dedicated to only posting the fringe crazy shit to make it look like that’s the whole story. Some posters on here do it too. It’s the same with anything they have a deep seated issue with, they only post things that reaffirm that. However, there is a significant number of people who have gender dysphoria and they deserve the respect afforded to any human. As a vulnerable set of people they deserve protection. There’s a lot of very ‘feminine’ males who transition who you’d never know were born male. For example, you’d never look at this person and think ‘yeah, whatever Barry. You’re fooling no one’. Before the transition they looked very much the same, very feminine and had been their whole life. Biology is weird, it throws up some quirks and you’re bound to get cases where people feel like they were ‘born in the wrong body’. If that was the entire thing, I don’t think there’d be too much of an issue. However, the extremes of this subject hurt people like the person I linked to above. There are lots of trans people who wouldn’t claim silly things about periods, because that’s biology and biology doesn’t give a fuck about your feelings. This is where the difference between biological sex and socially constructed gender roles and norms become an important distinction. If anybody tries to deny biology, then I’ve got an issue with it. You can’t just say you’re a female and suddenly be a female. You can say you’re a woman and adopt all the societal norms, the way you dress and act and present yourself and what you’re called, then you’re a woman (again, female and woman is different. I think you meant female in your post, so haven’t really picked up on it), especially if you’re somebody with gender dysphoria and you’ve gone through a transition. Look, if you’re in that place where you’ve cut your cock and balls off, taken hormones, and transitioned. That’s a woman. It might not be a female, but significant steps have been taken and we can surely all agree that these people are still humans and are to be treated as such. It’s when people chat absolute shit about biology that there’s an issue. One concern is legislation that is or will be created around this, and Stronts has a point where he says that radical trans activists are pushing an agenda that results in the type of thing we see with men taking the piss and pretending to be trans just to cheat the system. In the attempt to be inclusive holes are being left (snarf). That needs to be sensibly mitigated. A final thing thing I’ll say is that although there is gender dysphoria, there’s also a lot of kids being influenced by social media and the celebration and special status of being different. Watch some of the ‘coming out’ videos and the responses. It’s like a parade where somebody has gone from just a regular kid to being special and lived and celebrated. Why,l? Because you find one sex or gender more attractive than the one that others do? Who cares? Being gay, lesbian, bi, or other is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of - I’m not - but it’s also not something that makes you special. It’s gone from a recognition of a struggle to a faux parade for likes and views. And it’s influencing kids who watch it. Same with Trans stuff. A lot of it all seems forced and fake and the people who are being hurt by it are those who are genuinely going through the struggle of transitioning. And it’s going to get worse. Either way, they need support and guidance and compassion.

Jane Fonda my arse

I was cleaning out some drawers in my folks house and came across these old jerseys of mine. 1988/89 season

So at the grand old age of 52 , I am about to leave the comfort of my home of nearly 15 years Moving into a flat on my own and absolutely dreading it Not my idea , but the marriage is stale as fuck so was going to happen sooner or later . So who do we have on here with similar experience ?

You really want to know? Just received this alert and have eaten 7 packets of crisps in an hour. Living the fucking dream here, pal. You’ll never look back.

People who have the word ‘opinionated’ in their social media profile.

Good advice. And make sure you haven't wiped your dick on the curtains after wanking. They're your curtains, for fuck's sake.

This was boss too:

Yes. You're right. That's exactly what's been happening. We've been saying that BAME people in the UK suffer 100% unemployment and every one of them has been barred from ever attending a school. The existence of one person making a go of their career obviously blows all our arguments out of the water. Now excuse me while I atone for my stupid leftie ways by getting a tattoo of "All Lives Matter" on a Union Jack.

These were my last pair of Nike trainers. Very comfortable they were too.

Anyone fancy a game of golf? https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2020/06/12/donald-trump-invited-man-to-play-golf-response-was-hole-in-one/?fbclid=IwAR3UDjOgSC_Ox2c1eWxPrpdJXgbLhkXPmkS2BpyJ1Su2VHL3Q3Yx5b6hEjs

Ash Sarkar took the BBC to task on this issue this morning.

Me, when Everton go bust.

If Everton FC was a Simpson's character: Whilst the newborn Liverpool FC was given a free ground, little Everton, at the tender age of 13, had to carry away heavy turnstiles. And while others played in luxury had build it's own ramshackle, wooden stadium. One day, a confident financial expert befriended the unlucky little club. Those that questioned the wisdom of his patter were met with his response: "this is probably the greatest... aw, not for you. It's more of a Liverpool idea. " The Gravy Tits replied: "Now wait a minute, we're twice as smart as those merderin redshite". So Lyle Moshley told them: "I'll show you my idea - I give you the Everton Unicorn USM Stadium!" Led by envy and bitterness, Little Everton overreached - its tiny, grasping hands borrowing money it didn't have in order to build a unicorn stadium.

I recently found an old (early 90s?) picture of myself in that shirt. It was too big for me, but still a lovely shirt.

1993/94?

I have a ton of respect for that post in general mate, but think this line perfectly sums up what someone like myself sees my role as, when a group who’s suffered constant oppression is speaking about/reacting to it. Knowing when you should take a backseat on such an issue and just learn something from those most directly affected is always a helpful start. The arrogance of too many white people (or men, when for example the subject being focused on is the industrialised sexual harassment of women) on this issue even now (not aimed at you @A Red) is quite something to see. Particularly the mindbendingly stupid and offensive stuff about keeping black people annoyed about the subject by focusing on it. Oh yeah, if there is one thing a black person requires for them to have an opinion on their mistreatment down the centuries, it’s the tacit permission of liberal white people to feel outraged and get politicised about it. Fuck sake.

I didn’t avoid it. I chose not to engage with it in the terms you set it out in because I didn’t think they were helpful to the debate, and I told you why. I don’t think you’re a racist, and I think you’re approaching this debate in good faith. But the particular way you worded your original question - “can anyone offer anything that the black community can do to improve their plight” - was really quite patronising and lazy, as if black people themselves hadn’t already considered that question at length and answered it, and those answers weren’t readily available for you to look up. I know that won’t have been your intention, but that’s how it came across. The reason I jumped on it is that I have an instinctive aversion to members of privileged groups discussing and deciding things about disadvantaged people without seeking their input. I spent just shy of 15 years in the charity sector, working and volunteering, and it was jarring to repeatedly see well-meaning people make statements and decisions about or on behalf of service users / beneficiaries without consulting them or trying to understand them. I was guilty of it myself sometimes without realising it. It stung when I was called out on it, but I always tried to not get defensive and instead listen, learn, reflect and do better. I still fuck up now and will inevitably continue to do so, but I always try to think before speaking / posting and do my homework when necessary. Your revised question about differences in attainment between ethnic groups is perfectly reasonable. I’m not going to attempt to answer it because I don’t know enough about it, it’s a hugely complex subject and I haven’t really had cause to engage with it as yet. I’m in the education sector now but in a very white part of the country.

The virus is subsiding and you watch the government line (and most of the media) be "we beat it, you the British people followed our advice thank you and well done hurray for Britain and now LETS GET BREXIT DONE!!!!" No inquest, no public outcry, no cunts held to account for fucking it up royally. Watch Brexit slowly start to get re-introuduced to the front pages over the coming weeks. I obviously don't want a second wave which would probably be far worse than the first one but fuck me, some of these bastards absolutely deserve it. It still baffles me how Britain, on a fucking island with all our money and medical infrastructure can have one of the worst outcomes to this in the world. Oh hang on, look whose in power.

Just watched Fallen again. My favourite Denzel Washington movie. Supernatural crime film where Denzel catches a serial killer who is executed and then the murders start up again. Great support cast too, John Goodman, James Gandolfini, Donald Sutherland. Very underrated film. 8/10. On Amazon Prime if anyone fancies it.

Tango Unchained.

Like people who say they ' Dont suffer fools gladly ' but strangely enough they are always the type of people who cant take even the mildest criticism themselves without going off the deep end.

And your free to do anything you want any old time. Like everything else it'll become the norm after a while. Make sure your toilet is always clean and your bed sheets for when the chicks start coming back.

I agree NZ have obviously done a far, far, far better job than the UK to control the virus, but I’d also say it’s easier for them to do so. The UK is a major travelling hub for the world. NZ is miles away from anywhere. Australia is its closest country and that’s 3+ hours away. Also, Australia haven’t been terribly hit either. I don’t want to take away from the job NZ have done though, remarkable really, although easier for them to do over the UK.

Your forgetting what doesn't go on City books. A bit like their finance department

Good summary this-

I own every shirt from 92 onwards excluding keeper jerseys. Ironically my first shirt (kit, came in a all-in-one box) was the 88 Candy shirt. Also have the Adidas Originals for our 90 home and away shirts plus the 86 Crown Paints one. I have a lot of football shirts in my collection.

Nobody seemed arsed when we were getting bought by DIC or China.

There's a point of no return with keepers and he's definitely passed it here, same happened with David James, although he looked like Lev Yashin in comparison. Both handled mistakes in the same way though, with a kind of nonchalance that implied it wasn't me, it was you.

Nothing city wins has any value to it. If the butcher of Yemen does the same to Newcastle. They will equally become a hollow husk of a club.

Macca must have missed this banger:

I know this is going to sound like something out of the 1800s in a way to many of you, and there's little reason for you to believe that I'm saying this in good faith rather than as some sort of bigoted so-and-so, but why, exactly, are we, as a society, so certain that transgenderism isn't a mental health problem? What I mean is that society has basically decided at this point that anyone having sex with anyone else they want to is fine, as long as it is consensual. That part I get, and that's not at all what I'm talking about. But somehow, in the midst of giving gay and lesbian and bi people rights to do whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted, it got extended into the transgender thing, and I don't at all think they're the same issue. Transgender people basically believe something about themselves that isn't true. I mean, there are exceptions with intersex genetic disorders, but that's not what I'm talking about here. What I'm talking about is a person who is born with a penis and an XY chromosome, who says that they feel like they should be a woman. Well, like, with the best will in the world (and I know there are a lot of hateful people who hold this view WITHOUT the best will in the world, and I think the distinction is important)... that person is wrong. If you have a penis and an XY chromosome and a beard, then you're just NOT a woman. It's simply inaccurate, in a factual sense, to say that you are. If transgenderism were about people saying "I feel like a woman" and then we, as society said to them "well, you're not, but out of respect for you we won't bring it up and if you want to dress like one and pretend, then none of us are going to mock you or make your pain worse in any way," then yeah, I'm on board for that. We would know it was a mental illness, but we would have empathy and offer treatment if it were desired, and we would definitely love the afflicted person and try to find ways to make their lives better. We might not even stand in their way if they got surgery, like the man who believed he was a lion who got surgery to implant whiskers and tattoos of lion fur. But everyone knew he wasn't actually a lion, even as they tried to ease the mental pain that came from his delusion. I know that this is completely against everything we're told that we have to think about transgender people, and I wouldn't say it to one's face, because of the hurt it would cause, but since I assume there aren't any here on the boards I'm just going to be honest. I mostly just keep this opinion to myself, as it is so out of step with where everyone else is, but I really just feel like the character in Zoolander who says "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" whenever anyone around me starts talking about this.

It's why Benitez' comments really fucked with them. The biggest small club and the smallest big club in the world.

It's 6-0. Course it's pleased.

City this season are Isiah Thomas and the Detroit Pistons, storming off the court in ‘91 without shaking hands before the Eastern Conference finals had finished. Taken me decades to be able to casually drop in a US Sports reference to a conversation, and you better believe I’m taking the opportunity. Shade, thrown.