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  1. Hello to all SammyAftershave’s buddies on here. I’m Andy’s sister. I’ve read all of your lovely comments and am very appreciative. Andy sadly passed away in November last year, he’s missed beyond words. He had a nice letter and signed picture from Mr Klopp which he was thrilled about. I wrote to the Club and explained about his lifelong love of LFC. Some of his ashes are on the Memorial and some were secretly scatter in his beloved Kop, on Derby day. Thank you all again and Andy Will Never Walk Alone x
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  2. That’s a nice idea. Thanks. I guess there will be loads who spend time on the forum whose real life friends and family have little sense of the community we share on here, brought together by our shared love of our mighty club and held together by so much more. You’re missed Sammy
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  3. They trudge the worn and mud strewn ways, Weary to their bones, their silence betrays, Spewed bile the dressing for their wounds, Heysel, VAR, Ifithadntbeenfer loons, The shellshocked accounts, the money gone, The trench long breached named Goodison.
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  5. The Goodison Guns by S.Baldrick Boo boo boo boo Boo boo boo Boo boo boo boo Boo boo boo
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  6. Yet you come on and give it the biggun. Yeah, I’m really hating seeing him do so well. You can just see it dripping off all the posts I’ve made recently praising him. I’m hating it. You, on the other hand, wanted him dropped a few months ago. LFD gon’ LFD. I give in with you.
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  7. There's no way City provided 'proof' of the above-board nature of their sponsorship deal. Even without the hacked emails, Uefa would have been within their rights to say okay, what was the second highest bid you received so we can guage your value in the marketplace? This lad has them sussed:
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  9. My two visitor cats who live a couple of doors down. With the permission of their owners we give them a few cat treats each once a day. I'd been in for about 30 seconds when they appeared. I think they know the sound of my car. Don't be fooled by the glum look on their faces. The crafty bastards had visited earlier in the day when I was at work and had already had their daily rations.
    4 points
  10. They are flooding the pitch to bring the sub on.
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  11. The perfect baddie; misplaced arrogance dripping off him, sadistic yet cowardly, unusually cruel and enjoys physical and mental torture especially against those close to him. I was fucking gutted when he died
    4 points
  12. It’s really weird. He was at the point where he was dropped by Klopp and only making the bench. People want to rewrite history rather than judging him on what actually happened. It’s self delusion and done to protect their ego. Same with anybody that can’t admit how well he is doing now. He went from somebody that would general put in a 5 or 6 performance to somebody who puts in 7 or 8 every week without fail. Add on top of that his leadership that is becoming more and more evident, and he deserves all the credit in the world. I’m not going to rewrite history over it, but I’m certainly over the moon with him. What I find weird is that people like LFD are so quick to try to point score whilst as short a time ago as November they were on here saying he should be Fabinho’s back up as he would prefer Keita and Gini starting ahead of him. Essentially, during the period where he has come to the best form of his career, he wanted him back on the bench.
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  13. To Goodison the blueshite go To sit disgruntled, row on row Each in their place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the boos below.
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  14. Des: Jurgen will you be as animated as Simeone? Trying to work up the crowd. Jurgen: I won’t need to. Our people will be there.
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  15. After an annoying and dispiriting game like that, I’ve always listened more intently than ever to the manager’s immediate post-match interview. As ever with Klopp, note perfect and left with not a single doubt that we - and the game - will be a totally different animal in the second leg. Controlled irritation from the manager used as the most potent of fuel for fans and players. Who knows which way the result will ultimately go, but they’ll have to do more than just repeat that to put us out, I’m sure.
    3 points
  16. Klopp arriving at the Estadio Metropolitano... Let’s doo-oo-it!
    3 points
  17. Keep hearing this stuff in the media about us chopping and changing once we have the title clinched. I’m not so sure. For all his tactical acumen, Klopp is far more a rhythm and momentum manager than someone drier like Rafa, who would approach big individual knock-out games more like a chess battle, so didn’t mind playing totally different sides in the game before during the run-in. Just remember Klopp’s scathing reaction to the suggestion from the likes of Neville that we should rest players in last season’s Champions League for the title push. He was right as well, our league form seemed to be given fresh blood at times based on what we did in Europe. I can’t help but think he might look for the reverse boost this time. Not suggesting he will keep playing the exact side tonight in every game, and of course he will keep people fresh by making the odd change here and there. He’s been doing that all season though, it’s just modern sports science. Don’t see much changing on that score, and certainly not wholesale changes to prioritise one competition over the other once the league is won. Will be pedal down til the finish in both.
    3 points
  18. Not the most convincing of scorelines but at no point did I ever feel that this result was in doubt. It always felt like just a matter of time before we eventually broke through their eleven man defence and it never looked like they were going to score. It was top versus bottom and the it was the biggest points difference ever at this stage. That says more about how great we are than it does about Norwich being weak in my opinion. They’re probably the best bottom placed club I can remember in years. They deserve credit for making us have to work for the result but I was a little surprised at how they played. I’ve enjoyed watching them this season and I thought they were boss at Anfield. They got hammered though so presumably Daniel Farke decided that all out defence was the way forward this time. They only lost 1-0 so I guess he’ll view that as being worth it. I did think they might have seen this as a free swing and thrown everything they had at us, but it was clear from the first minute that wasn’t going to be the case. It’s not like that approach works against us anyway, but defending doesn’t work either. It’s a case of pick your poison I suppose. If they’d attacked us it wouldn’t have ended well either, but that’s how they play and I expected them to play their football and go down swinging, like Southampton a couple of weeks ago. It was a good time for them to play us though as it feels as though we’re never any good when we come back from a break. I don’t have the stats to back that up and it might not be true, but the impression I have is that we’re always lacking sharpness when we’ve had a week off. The performance against Norwich was fine for the most part, but there was a distinct lack of sharpness in the final third. We dominated the game, looked strong at the back, passed it around well, but the clinical edge just wasn’t there until Sadio came on and transformed the game. The first half wasn’t that good as I don’t think we adjusted well enough to the weather conditions. You can’t hit those long passes over the top of defenders when the wind is as strong as that, but we kept trying it anyway. Klopp said the problem was that the midfielders weren’t expecting the defenders to hit it long and as a result they couldn’t get in position for the second ball. That changed after the break and we looked much more cohesive as a result. I’ve said before that’s one of the least talked about impressive things about us. The ability to analyse what isn’t working and how to fix it during the game is massive. It literally is a huge game changer because it’s changed countless games. We always seem to play better in the second half of games and this is a big reason why. It’s also because we just wear teams down. It’s hard to keep us at bay for ninety minutes as eventually the tiredness keeps in and the pressure we exert usually pays off. Norwich looked relatively comfortable in the first half but the longer the second half went the more you could sense a goal coming. I was getting impatient and frustrated but I always believed we’d score. It felt like we were just waiting for Mané to come on and win it for us, and that’s what happened. We could have scored prior to him coming on but we just weren’t sharp enough. Tim Krul didn’t have too much to do really. He tipped a shot over the bar from Keita, made a decent stop to deny Salah after some magic footwork from him, and he produced a great follow up stop to deny Keita from the rebound. Naby has to score there though. At the other end Norwich were rarely able to even get near our goal but they did hit the post through Tettey. Alison had that covered though, you can see he has his hands behind the post and was there if he needed to save it. It was only after Sadio replaced the ineffective Ox (love him as a midfielder but really not a fan of his on the wing) that we really looked like we had Norwich on the ropes. After that we were always going to win and we should have scored more than one. Bobby missed a sitter after an absolute killer cross by Trent. It came at him pretty quick but he’d expect to score that. I’m just glad he wasn’t looking the other way like he usually does with tap ins! Norwich managed to create one chance when Pukki shot straight at Alisson, but overall it was comfortable for us defensively. The only criticism of the performance would be the amount of times we got in or around the box and played a poor pass or cross. Norwich had so many players in there at all times though that it was like trying to thread needle with a shoelace. Bottom line is we found a way. Again. We’re so good now that it’s boring to everyone else. That explains the way commentators and pundits are clinging to irrelevant little things as talking points. Take the Alisson save in the first half for example. Great save, but anyone talking about that as being an important moment and proof that Norwich could have taken something from the game are missing one, pretty important detail. IT WAS OFFSIDE!! I’m fairly sure that wouldn’t have counted even if they’d scored as the replay made him look a fraction off, and if you add the VAR lines to it then he’d defo have been off. I guess they didn’t want it to be seen as offside as it would have taken away one of their few talking points. It’s barely been mentioned that it was offside by anyone other than Klopp. Why? Because otherwise there are no real talking points other than us winning yet another game. It’s understandable really, and it’s a backhanded compliment. It is boring for everyone else, I completely get that. Same reason there was hardly any mention of the stonewall penalty we didn’t get when Virgil was wrestled to the floor. I just don’t know how anyone can look at that and not give a pen. Fair enough that the ref may not have seen it as he can’t be looking at every player in the box, but VAR saw it and did nothing. Apparently there has not been a single penalty awarded by VAR in that scenario so it must be an agreement between the refs that they don’t over-rule on those incidents. It’s bizarre though isn’t it? No-one is arsed about the Virgil pen but there are some crying ‘foul’ about Sadio’s goal. “LiVARpool” again, eh? Thing is, Sadio’s goal was not given by VAR. It was given by the referee and VAR saw no reason to overturn it. Norwich didn’t complain, it’s just the mental element of fanbases like Everton, City and United. The theatrics from the Norwich defender when he misjudged the ball and felt a hand on him was just embarrassing. But they were doing that all day, especially that Cantwell cunt. We’ve been linked with him today. Fuck that, I don’t want that massive fucking fanny anywhere near us. I’ve been telling you in the round ups that I don’t like him. “Eton educated Jack Grealish” I’ve been calling him. Except Grealish is miles better and far less of a twat. This lad has that James Maddison vibe about him, and that’s not a good thing. He was throwing himself to the floor any time one of our lads went near him. I like this Norwich team (Buendia and Pukki especially) and I’d love for them to stay up, but Cantwell is just a shithouse and I have no time for him at all. It was hard for the referee and it seemed to me that he was falling for their gamesmanship constantly in the first half. After the break he let a lot more go and their fans started getting on his case. Overall he did ok but some of the jobsworth shit he was pulling on free-kicks and corners was irritating. Trent was booked for fuck all too. Cantwell again. Cuntwell. The finish from Sadio though. Wow. This fella has just come back from a hamstring injury, and here he is leaping high into the air, stretching his right leg to control the ball, and then immediately landing and lashing the ball in with his left. He’s ridiculous. Mind you, Bobby almost did something similar in the first half when he too plucked a Hendo pass out of the sky but before he could finish it a defender took it off his toe. The ability and agility of players these days is something else. I don’t remember many players back in the day being able to do shit like that as a matter of routine. Some could, but they stood out a mile because of it. The ability we see nowadays is off the scale, and not just from the top players. Which kind of brings me to another point that has been heavily discussed recently. How good (or bad) is the league this year? I think it can be best summed up like this. There is only one great team in the league, but the bottom teams are probably stronger than ever. Norwich are bottom but they’d have survived most years because they’re decent. The teams at the bottom are all packed with full internationals. The league as a whole isn’t weak, it’s probably as competitive this year as it’s ever been. The one outlier is that we’re the greatest side to have ever played on these shores and that is skewing things in the eyes of many. Take us out of the equation and the narrative would be totally different. The talk would be about what an exciting season it is and what a strong league it is. But because there is one team beating everyone and breaking records, some see it the other way. I just think that instead of bemoaning the poor standard of the league they should just laud what Klopp has done in turning this team into the greatest side in English football history. In terms of how we played, most were ok and some were very good. Not everyone will agree, but I thought Keita had a good game even though it was masked somewhat by the amount of times he gave the ball away in the final third. I agree some of his passing was sloppy but he is the one taking responsibility to try to play those difficult eye of the needle through balls in and around the box, so the success rate of those is always going to be low. He also missed a sitter which will is something else that will be held against him. I was pleased with him though, he did a lot of great work without the ball, he seemed to be popping up all over the pitch and I like that he’s taking responsibility. On another day a couple of those passes find their target and he has two assists and people are raving about him. I’ve just got a sneaky feeling that he’s going to do be a really significant player over the next few months. Hendo was the star man though. He was brilliant once again. His passing was sensational considering the conditions and he was always there picking up the pieces and winning the ball back. Even in the final seconds when Norwich were trying to force an equaliser it was Hendo back there on the edge of the box making the all important tackle. His standards are so fucking high this season. I could easily have given it to Mané though as he transformed the game and from the moment he came on I knew we’d find a winning goal. He’s just so good and so confident these days. It took him a while to go from very good to great, but he’s there now and you can tell that he knows it himself. There’s not an arrogant bone in his body, but he just looks so relaxed and comfortable in his greatness now. So on we go. The title was all but wrapped up long ago so now we turn our attention back to Europe. I know nothing about Atletico these days as from what I can gather half of the team has changed over the last year or two. I fully expect massive levels of shithousing from them though and therefore it’s going to be tough. I’d back us to beat anyone though so I’m looking forward to it. Team: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Van Dijk, Robertson; Henderson, Wijnaldum (Fabinho), Keita; Salah, Firmino, Oxlade-Chamberlain (Mané):
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  19. We live in a world of shitehawks instead of Terrahawks.
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  20. Total bollocks that. According to my profile, I’ve ‘won the day’ 42 times on here. 42 fucking times. And that’s just this account. Fuck knows how many days I won on my first account. 200 minimum. Minimum. You wanna know how many times Jürgen has won it? Not a single time. Not one single fucking day.
    3 points
  21. I can never remember which poster said what. Who cares who was right? Just enjoy watching our Captain strut around midfields. bossing it. The arguing about it is a shitfest on both sides. I hope Ferguson gets asked about Hendo a lot.
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  22. I was talking to Jimmy, the Ancelotti-alike manager of the Vernon last night. He was saying that he gets a lot of people staring in the street these days. One fella even stopped and asked (in the kind of stilted way idiots do when they're talking to someone foreign) " DO. YOU. MANAGE. A. FOOTBALL. TEAM?" Jimmy answered in kind "YES. AND. THEY'RE. SHITE."
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  23. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/17/manchester-city-backers-are-not-the-sort-to-take-punishment-lying-down?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Manchester City backers are not the sort to take punishment lying down There is resentment among City fans about their treatment and word is that Abu Dhabi will be fighting back against Uefa In 2011 Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the emir of Abu Dhabi and president of the United Arab Emirates, received a letter. It came from a group of Emirati intellectuals inspired by the recent wave of pro-democracy protests sweeping through the Middle East and north Africa, and requested a range of modest reforms, including an extension of the voting franchise which at the time encompassed just 2% of the country’s population. No marching on the streets. No popular unrest. Certainly no disorder of any kind. Just a letter. Nonetheless, with a regime petrified to the point of paranoia by the spectre of political Islamism, the reprisals would be swift and merciless. Within weeks the arrests had begun, rounding up most of the 160 letter’s signatories, who were designated as “terrorists” plotting to overthrow the regime. Citizenships were revoked. Hefty prison sentences were dished out. In 2014, Abu Dhabi enacted Terrorism Law No 7, reclassifying peaceful opposition as a terrorist act punishable by death, and criminalising a whole range of hazily-defined acts, from “antagonising the state” or “stirring panic among a group of people” to “carrying explosive crackers for a terrorist purpose”. Now: does this strike you as a group of people that is going to be intimidated by the fine print of Article 56, section (a) of the 2018 edition of Uefa’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations? Does a regime serially defying a United Nations arms embargo in Libya – according to the UN’s own reports – strike you as the sort that places a high premium on bureaucratic process? Does the family that bought itself the world’s largest super-yacht – a $600m behemoth two-thirds the size of the Titanic and reportedly equipped with its own missile defence system – strike you as the sort to take a swingeing punishment with humility and good grace? These are just some of the ways of understanding Manchester City’s current dispute with Uefa, one that for all its clear footballing repercussions carries far more sinister overtones. Trawl the City messageboards in the wake of Uefa’s decision to ban the club from the Champions League for two seasons, and it won’t take you long to stumble across the rhetoric of scorched earth: of traitors and revolutionaries, violence and purgation, shady cartels and subhuman scum. This is the language of existential threat, the register of total warfare, and it is fed by the incendiary invective coming out of the club. One little snippet to emerge is the fact City’s appeals to the court of arbitration for sport have been dubbed “Cas One” and “Cas Two”, as if they were military campaigns, rather than ringbinders being delivered to a courtroom by clerks in TM Lewin suits. Witness, too, the assertion of the club’s lawyer Simon Cliff in the Der Spiegel leaks of 2018 that “Uefa doesn’t respond to anything other than aggression”, that a lawsuit against their auditor could “destroy the entire organisation within weeks”. City talk about their footballing enemies the way Abu Dhabi talks about its real ones. This, perhaps, was the most persuasive argument against allowing cherished footballing institutions to fall under the control of entire states. It wasn’t the lack of transparency or the potential for financial distortion, grave as those are. But in hindsight it was perhaps inevitable over time clubs would come to resemble state actors in their own right, that sporting problems would impel geopolitical solutions, that the cut and thrust of footballing sabre-rattling would increasingly take on the character of the real thing. There has always been a slight misconception about the concept popularly known as “sportswashing”, the attempt by autocratic regimes to embed their soft power through sport. It is never purely a PR exercise: there are PR firms for that, and they tend not to go to the trouble of spending £1.5bn on footballers or rebuilding large parts of east Manchester. Rather, it helps to think of the sportswash as some vast, pointless infrastructure project: a man-made glacier, a giant bridge to nowhere, a Nando’s visible from space. The objective is to create something so iridescently perfect that it generates its own innate shock and awe, a timeless monument to beauty, wealth and the power to do whatever the hell you want. And so there is a rich double irony at work here. Firstly, for all the eye-watering sums lavished on the brilliant Guardiola sides, it is instead the years of faltering ascent, the 2012-16 era, for which City are being punished: not the years of £50m full-backs, but your Mangalas and Rodwells and Wilfried Bonys. Secondly, that one of the world’s most meticulously-crafted sporting projects could be undone by simple naivety: an apparent belief the rule of law could be subverted by force of will alone, a failure to build any sort of political or diplomatic contingency against it. While the Qataris at Paris Saint-Germain made it a priority to infiltrate the corridors of power, City find themselves adrift: friendless and alone, with only their money and their hubris to protect them. It may yet be enough. The word is City are stockpiling a cache of inflammatory evidence against other clubs, in anticipation of an epic fight. Perhaps, armed with a battery of lawyers and accountants, they will get their ban overturned. Perhaps, as some of the more bellicose voices insist, they will even destroy the apparatus of football as we know it, which definitely feels like a proportionate response to not being allowed to sign Stevan Jovetic. Either way, you sense for City the ends will always justify the means. After all football, like geopolitics, is very much a results business.
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  24. Yeah, but if I was looking to sponsor someone, I'd be sure to look for the team that wins the league before the outbreak of world wars. Who wouldn't be drawn to a brand like that? They're so fucking robust, they survived 2 world wars and were only taken out by heysel.
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  25. Cheers, miss the big fella as do plenty of others, if we win the league I’ll be raising a glass , that’s for you mate.
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  26. It’s impossible when the players know they can’t make a tackle with any conviction without being penalised and the other mob know they won’t concede free kicks come what may.
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  27. Fuck it. Just keep it at 1-0 and deal with these wankers at Anfield.
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  28. Almost 3 years after they said they would be BMD for the start of the 20-21 season things are progressing well on the new ground
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  29. Yes. And City should also pay us whatever money we missed out on as prize money and share of the champions league tv cash which would have been greater for them as champions. I would piss myself laughing if it was only the 2014 league taken off them and we end up level with the other Manc Cunts after this season. It would burn both sets of twats heads out.
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  30. Sorry to hear about your lost. Sammy (Andy) was a great poster and I enjoyed his contribution to the forum.
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  31. I wouldn’t know to be honest , well obviously yes, but I live elsewhere and it’s been about six weeks now so all is done , I only knew his sister and a few of his mates in Liverpool. I’ll text his sister and maybe she could look on the TLW to see members condolences.
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  32. Has ever a baddie been rooted for more than this legend:
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  33. Reddy flounces in, her voice like fingernails scraping down a blackboard, sqeaking on and on without any insight whatsoever, opinions dressed up as knowledge, about as consequential as a MasterChef "foam".
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  34. A little context in my defence; where it's undeniably true that I did frequently criticize Henderson, I did also use the thread to praise the lad too. "Credits where credit's due" no? Perhaps the imbalance in negative / positive Hendo posts was more to do with his performance level over his Liverpool career than any of your imagined bias narrative of the many posters who cared to comment ? Do you not agree about Henderson's dramatic improvement over the past 18 months ? To my mind it's very plain to see, and it can be no coincidence that Henderson's clear improvement correlates exactly with the negative / positive balance of the comments posted about him. Credit where credit's due, no ? No one takes delight when any one of our players is performing poorly, I certainly don't and I never did when Hendo was playing poorly. Why would I ? It hurts he team, that hurts me. For you and others to suggest that Henderson *hasn't* improved immeasurably is just plain wrong (or even dishonest, depending on your motivation behind your opinion). For the past 18 months Henderson has been fantastic, as NV states in his earlier post, a 7 or 8 out of 10 every week; do you not think this makes me and Hendo's other critics happy? Fucks sake, it's all I ever wanted from the lad in the first place, to play with self belief and confidence, with his head up, lead like a true captain. Overjoyed that we're all seeing that from him now. And guess what ? The criticism has gone away. Credit where credit's due I suppose...
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  35. Should buy them a few more flat screens, then they can each have a go at drawing something and putting it on a slide show so they all get a turn.
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  36. They do realise we aren't likely to play the U12's this time aren't they ?
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  37. According to their accounts, they got £100m deposit back on that Kopparberg bottle.
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  38. Well, I might as well tell you now. You lot may all be internationals and have won all the domestic honours there are to win under Guardiola. But as far as I'm concerned, the first thing you can do for me is to chuck all your medals and all your caps and all your pots and all your pans into the biggest fucking dustbin you can find, because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by bloody cheating.
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  39. The most straightforward article that I’ve read so far https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2020/02/16/uefa-ban-manchester-city-for-2-years-separating-the-facts-from-fiction/#4a185091204f Social media chatter has made it difficult to separate the facts from the bull, so here are the facts with some editorial added for the purpose of clarity. The background Late in 2018, Spiegel International published a number articles alleging that Manchester City had been playing fast and loose when it came to Uefa Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations and other licensing requirements. The most damming allegation was that a holding company, Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG), owned by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan, a billionaire brother of the ruler of the United Arab Emirates, funneled money to City sponsors based in Abu Dhabi who then rerouted the money to Manchester City as sponsorship. Sheikh Mansour is the owner of Manchester City, and as such, the scheme contravened FFP regulations. The allegations were part of a new series of “Football Leaks.” At the time, Manchester City refused to make comment on the accusations but later claimed that Spiegel’s articles were based on hacked and stolen documents that were then taken out of context. Uefa’s investigatory chamber started an investigation of Manchester City in the spring of 2019. When City was officially charged in May of last year it claimed that the club had been subjected to a hostile process that the investigation had ignored a body of “irrefutable evidence.” The charge and process The investigatory chamber found Manchester City guilty and the adjudicatory chamber imposed the punishment that was announced on Friday. (The two chambers are designed to act independently of each other and independently of Uefa.) Manchester City was found guilty of two charges: of falsely inflating sponsorship revenues when making submissions as part of the Financial Fair Play (FFP) compliance process; of breaching regulations by failing to cooperate in the investigation of the case by the Club Financial Control Body (CFCB). Uefa acknowledged the decision but offered no further comment given that Manchester City has the right of appeal to the CAS. Financial hit If Manchester City’s appeal fails and subsequent other action also fails, then the financial cost will far exceed the €30m fine. There will the cost of 2 years of UEFA Champions League prize money at an estimated €200m or more. This reduction in revenue could set off a downward spiral that may leave Manchester City unable to carry their current costly squad. Some have speculated that players could even try to have their contracts nullified based on the club’s gross misconduct. Two years of the no Champions League participation may also weigh heavy on coach Pep Guardiola’s decision about his future with the club. Roll all this together and you can see why Manchester City is going to fight this one to the death. Then there is another problem, the Premier League....... The Premier League has a different form of FFP. However, the same sets of financial statements provided to Uefa would have been provided to the Football Association and the Premier League. The Premier League regulations have gone through a couple of iterations but a core component has been restricting wage increases. Some of the permitted increases have been tied to any increase in self-generated increases (that doesn’t include Premier League TV money.) If Manchester City has perpetrated an accounting fraud then they will also be in contravention of Premier League FFP regulations and subject to other league-specific sanctions. And if that’s not enough, let’s remember that the present Uefa punishment covers just 2012 to 2016. If City has cooked the books and misled the authorities then it would seem plausible that they have continued to do so after 2016. This could lead to further fines and bans. Should Manchester City win this season’s Champions League - they play Real Madrid in the round of 16 - the win could be nullified. Court of Arbitration for Sports There is a lot of social media noise surrounding the CAS and there is a lot folks guessing what the law is and what the process is. This is what the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) does. The CAS process is generally more transparent that the Uefa process but if you don’t want embarrassing information to come out then that’s not necessarily a good thing. Further, the CAS appeal is a fresh hearing of all evidence, essentially a new “trial”. Manchester City’s emails were hacked so they can’t be used as evidence. Not so fast. Uefa used hacked material to find Manchester City guilty. We don’t know that and it is very doubtful that Uefa did. Certainly, materials that were made public through Football Leaks are almost certainly hacked. However, opening an investigation based on readily available public knowledge is very different than using hacked material to prove a case. Uefa investigators would have only needed to ask very straight forward questions and asked Manchester City to show the paper trail that supported their submitted financial statements. Based on the second charge, it can be presumed that Uefa believes that City failed to comply with the investigators requests. When you get down to it the two charges are very fact based and there seems to be very little room for nuance. A decision has to be reached before July 15 so England’s representation can be submitted for Europe’s two club competitions. The process could be expedited but if City lose they will almost certainly fight on by any means necessary. City’s punishment could be postponed pending a final outcome. FFP is a farce and Manchester City shouldn’t be punished for bucking the rules. Just as in life, you may not like the laws of the land, but as a citizen (no pun intended) you are obliged to follow the laws. Nobody forced Manchester City to play in the Champions League and nobody forced the team to cash the cheques from Uefa. Manchester City knew the rules and it worth remembering that the charge does not relate to failing to meet FFP requirements but rather the fraudulent submission of documents and failing to cooperate with the investigation. This is part of a Vendetta by big clubs who are using Uefa and FFP to “get” Manchester City. Again, City signed on as a free and willing participant in the Champions League. It’s a fact that the genesis of Financial Fair Play was long before Manchester City was a twinkle in Sheikh Mansour’s eye. Further, if the Premier League and the Football Association take action would that mean that all of English football has signed on to the Vendetta? Manchester City is the victim of an unjust system. The City comment below has quickly become standard fare and used to support the contention that City is the victim. The fact is the system is used by every major sports organization in the world and is the reason why the CAS concept was conceived in the 80s. The same process is followed by sport organizations as a matter of course because otherwise the formal legal systems around the world would be clogged with sport issues, most of them petty. Sport is not above the law but it has been acknowledged many times by the formal legal system that it has a right to make its own rules and to follow its own disciplinary system. Is this really such a big deal? It actually is. The charge is essentially one of accounting fraud which is a form of theft. Beyond the sanctions applied to the club there are also potential ramifications for any Manchester City personnel such as lawyers and accountants who may have been part of the alleged fraud. That also goes for directors of the club. City’s whining that FFP isn’t fair doesn’t address the actual charges of falsifying accounts and failing to co-operate. Also interesting that 1) their directors could be banned from running the club if they are found guilty of fraudulent accounting 2) no one has even started to look at what happened post-2016. Have Etihad suddenly started paying the full amount?
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  40. Somehow had never seen Local Hero, so gave it a watch. Proper 80’s movie. Bags of natural, understated charm, stunning cinematography, throwaway patches of silliness and eccentricity characteristic of films in that era, wore its uplifting core message relatively lightly and, of course, features that classic feel-good Knopfler soundtrack to perfect effect. 8/10 while watching, rising to a 9 an hour or so afterwards for having put me in a great, nostalgic mood.
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  41. As Paulie's song should have been.
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