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    From day 1 he was England's Michael Owen, not Liverpool's, and that just sewed the seeds of dislike. Joining that shower in Salford was just the final nail. I'll forever be grateful for the 2 goals against the Arse in Cardiff, but otherwise he can do one!
  3. 6 points
    Sorry, can't get past the footage of him cavorting around in front of the Stretford End with the Premier League trophy. The only reason - I mean that literally - Ferguson took him on was as a vanity project. I can make this Liverpool legend a title winner here! I don't hate the guy and I still have fond memories of his time at the club. But I can't memory-hole that image, nor should I have to.
  4. 5 points
    The thing I’ve enjoyed most about Jamie Carragher’s podcast is the incredible forthrightness of the interviews. The shared context, friendship and experiences with his guests provides an incredible platform for honest conversations – far exceeding the cookie cutter Q&As we hear in the vast majority of interviews conducted by actual journalists. Carra’s standing, and aversion to sugar-coating anything, enables him to frame questions in a way that would be downright insulting coming from a reporter. It’s what made the recent episode with Michael Owen such a startlingly brutal and uncomfortable listen. If you came out of that interview still unwilling to bury the hatchet with Michael Owen and finally welcome him home, then I’d advise you to contact someone with a stethoscope. Michael’s story, as told on The Greatest Game, sounded like the clichéd sports movie, charting the incredible highs, then the depths of despair. It was set-up for the final act – the inevitable, uplifting redemption, but in Owen’s case, there is no feel-good ending. If the Robbie Fowler story could draw comparisons to Rocky, Owen’s could be likened to the end of Raging Bull. Put it this way: Michael Owen, who scored 158 goals for his club and thrice tried to get back home after his initial departure, now feels intimidated when he walks into Anfield. “Any Liverpool fan has the power to break my heart,” he said. Jesus, I don’t know about any of you, but hearing that just about broke mine. It’s not right. Owen brought as much joy to the old stadium as any individual in the last quarter century; that much is indisputable. Yet, as Carragher brutally pointed out, Owen gets no love, his career and contributions are glossed over. Or, to use Carragher’s word “dismissed”. I’ll be honest with you. Michael was my guy. At the time I’d have argued “Michael over Robbie” with anyone. My best mate and I still joke about it to this day (how lucky were we to have those two to playfully argue over by the way?). I’d never really resented him for leaving, but it did break my heart. I never hated him for signing for Newcastle because I was privy to information he desperately wanted to come home and was distraught to be going there. I wasn’t among those screaming “where were you in Istanbul?” in his face, because what was the point? It wasn’t even as if I felt signing for United was unforgivable given his predicament. For me, a fissure tore into a gaping crevasse the day he scored the winner in that Manchester derby (as unreal a finish as it was). I hadn’t seen him celebrate quite so exuberantly in a decade. I hadn’t seen that joy since he was a teenager and, as he raced behind the Stretford End goal, hadn’t seen him run that fast either. How could he be that happy doing that, there, for them? At the time when we were in the utter depths of the Gillet and Hicks era, with Rafa’s tenure coming to an end, it was an absolute sickener. For many, it confirmed what they had felt all along. It was the first time I believed it too – that Michael Owen cared only about Michael Owen. It didn’t matter which shirt he was wearing. On that day he was happy for himself, not for Man United. And now, in the context of his interview with Carragher, it’s a little bit easier to see why. Many will still feel like Owen got what was coming, that he made his own bed and thus doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as other Liverpool greats. That’s fine. But there’s also a staggering hypocrisy here that’s bothered me for decades. It seems you can be terrible, as a man and a footballer, but as long as you’re pushed out of the door, rather than leave on your own terms, you’re welcomed back to Liverpool with open arms. The ovations afforded to a returning David James down the years, for example. Here’s someone that made an absolute mockery of us, his manager and the entire club, quantifiably costing us a title during his time on his PlayStation, or modelling, or whatever else he was doing while flailing around between the sticks. James and Owen both broke my heart. Michael for leaving us when he did, James for being abjectly terrible at his job and causing us to lose football matches. One of the two feels intimidated walking into Anfield for fear of abuse, the other would probably get a standing ovation if he turned out for one of those Liverpool Legends games. More recently, the reverse is somehow true. It seems a player can force his way out in the most egregious manner and still be remembered fondly. His recent roasting at Anfield aside, the esteem in which Luis Suarez is held absolutely staggers me. Carra mentioned this too. Some of my best mates have him in all-time Liverpool five-a-side teams. I can’t scream this loud enough, but to Hell with Luis Suarez. This bloke went on strike to force a move to Arsenal (to Arsenal), bit opponents and racially abused others. Our reputation is yet to fully recover from our association with that ‘loveable little scamp,’ as evidenced by the recent, long overdue apology to Evra and the coverage it received. I feel ashamed for supporting him at the time. Between Owen and Suarez, which is the club annually falling over itself to wish a happy birthday? Here’s a clue: It’s not the one who ran himself into utter physical degradation before his mid-20s, while wearing the red shirt. Nor is it the one who won a Ballon D’Or in the same year he helped us to a cup treble. Owen’s contribution to the modern history of Liverpool far eclipses Suarez’s season or so of giving a damn. Even Stan Collymore enjoys a higher standing than Michael Owen among some Liverpool fans on social media. Seriously. Even the aversion to Fernando Torres has faded these days. Everyone seems alright with him again with the club often commemorating his contribution more and more often. I promised myself I’d never love another footballer again after he went to Chelsea; then Klopp’s lads came along and now I’m besotted with the lot of them, but that’s beside the point. Speaking of Chelsea, remember when Steven Gerrard tried to force a move there? If Gerrard’s explanation for how that situation came to pass (Papa Rafa didn’t show him enough love, etc.) is understood then why can’t Michael’s reasons for heading to Real Madrid, when all along his plan was to just “do a Rushie” and come back after a year? The answer’s rhetorical, if we’re honest with ourselves. After developing an Alan Shearer-like reputation for bland, guarded interviews during his playing career, Michael has been an open book since his retirement. Especially regarding his injuries and his self-professed rapid decline. We’ve had a window into Owen the person. Maybe that’s what has me warming to him again? The fact that, away from his horses, his millions and his media career, he’s a guy with insecurities, with regrets, with fears and apprehension. It’s a great leveller. I don’t know how the current impasse changes. Maybe it starts with the club affording him the same respect it does to other, less deserving folks, through its constant content output? If they can get off Suarez’s lap for five minutes that is. For all their talk about the “LFC family” they aren’t half choosy about who is treated as such. People shouldn’t need reminding just how good Michael Owen was, but if that’s what needs to happen, it should. There’s no reason for this continued antipathy or, perhaps even worse, utter apathy. That might be the hardest thing about this for Owen. Right now, he doesn’t matter. He’s not loved, nor particularly hated. Just irrelevant. Some will say that’s his punishment. After listening to his side of the story, I’d counter by saying, “for what exactly?” Carragher brutally pointed out that, while he finished his career with a guard of honour and a Kop mosaic, Michael went out coming off the bench for Tony Pulis’ Stoke. Wasn’t that punishment enough? Enough is enough. It’s time to recognise Michael Owen’s contribution for what it was. On the stat sheets, to the numbers on that increasingly-active “Wall of Champions” and in our mind’s eye. “One-nil down, two-one up, Michael Owen won the cup.” Remember that? Like many others, the story isn’t straight forward. There are complications. But Michael Owen is unquestionably a Liverpool great and deserves to be spoken of as such. It’s time to end the story in the right way. Chris Smith @ByChrisSmith View full article
  5. 5 points
    I've forgiven him and glad to welcome him back. I was there in Cardiff to see him win the Cup for us on a day when we were battered by a superior side until he volleyed an equaliser from nowhere and then set off on that long sprint towards our end, making a complete arse of the invincible Arsenal defence before finding the net from an impossible angle to spark off jubilant mayhem all around me. I was pissed off when he left for Madrid so late in the window but I also recall standing on the Kop cheering when news came in that he had scored for Real, there was still goodwill then. It was clear as day that he wanted to come back but we were badly run back then and I blame Parry as much as anyone for somehow not clinching the deal. Signing for United was another nail in the coffin of his LFC support but since he retired he has been nothing but respectful towards our club and has now opened up on his feelings, so I applaud him for that. Any ex-player (especially if they have left great memories for us on the pitch) who goes on to support the club after he has finished his playing career is welcome so far as I'm concerned. Life's too short and bitterness is for others, he made mistakes but owns them so I'm with Carra and Chris Smith.
  6. 5 points
    The Mermaid Inn, Ipswich. 8.5/10. £7.95 for full English (as shown) and unlimited visits to the continental menu. As much tea, toast, fruit juice, cereal and croissants (butter and chocolate variety) as you can stuff your little face with. As I decided to review it for TLW I took one for the team and left the beans on. Fortunately, although not penned in a ramekin the sauce was thick enough, and minimal enough, to keep the Coronavirus of the breakfast plate in their place. Black pudding was thin, but very well cooked (soft not crispy) and not fried to a crisp as I first feared. Everything else well cooked and no fat or mushroom juice on the plate. I was impressed. No doubt you won’t be.
  7. 5 points
    We're great and about to win the league. I've got no room in my heart to hate Michael Owen.
  8. 5 points
    The positives piled up during his time here far outweigh the negatives during and since his departure.
  9. 5 points
    Not by me I'm afraid. He still refers to Man U as "we". I still refer to him as "treacherous blood-sucking cripple".
  10. 4 points
    There is just so much gold in these quotes. "Solskjaer key to the recruitment drive." Yeah, sure he is. You can only imagine how many big-name players are telling their agents "No, I don't want to play for Bayern and win things, or for PSG and get paid huge money. What I really want is to develop under legendary coach Ole Gunnar Solskjaer." Also I like the idea of "upgrading" from Pogba to Grealish. I mean, Grealish is good but how they have managed to mis-manage Pogba is hilarious. My money's on him to be widely considered as one of the best in the world once he moves to a proper club. “Our focus is on bringing in a combination of experience and the best young players with potential to develop further, fusing graduates from our academy with high-quality acquisitions. Ighalo to miss Manchester United’s Spain trip over coronavirus travel fears This might be the best bit, though. Talking up their "clear plan and philosophy" of recruitment to bring in all this experience and top young players, blah, blah, blah, and right next to it is a link to a story about their last transfer, a player they bought out of pure desperation who would never tempt any other top 6 club. Do you know where Ighalo finished in the Chinese league goalscoring charts last season? I went and looked it up. He was 19th! Ole's at the wheel, indeed.
  11. 4 points
    Cookie Monster for me. This is one of the sweetest things I've ever seen-
  12. 4 points
    I refuse to forgive that twat for the way he snidely left our club. He kept the club dangling for 18 months, running his contract down but making noises that a deal would get done with us, the club that he loved. 18 months fucking pissing us about procrastinating over a new deal, treating us like cunts and yet the second Madrid come knocking then the cowardly twat drops us like a used tampon and he's off to Spain faster than a shithouse rat up a drainpipe. He left us high and dry, cost us a fucking fortune with his snide bullshittery, leaving us with fuck all transfer fee and Antonio fucking Nunez. For all of Moores' and Parry's incompetence, that treacherous blood-sucking cripple treat our club and our fans like cunts. Rafa too, deserved so much better. Owen is a mercenary without a shred of integrity or remorse, save the sorrow he feels for himself. Oh aye, and this club ambassador of ours (!!!) still refers to the Mancs as "we". UN FUCKING FORGIVEABLE. That sniveling cunt is a pariah and we should all turn our backs on him as he did us.
  13. 4 points
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  15. 3 points
    Never understood anything but apathy in regard to Owen. Seriously, who gives a fuck about this stuff? He left over 15 years ago, and we were fine. The end.
  16. 2 points
    Things I Saw On My Way Home From The Holiday I Didn’t Take... Nat Phillips : Two more starts for Stuttgart, first in the 2-1 Cup defeat at Leverkusen, then in the apparently comfortable 3-0 home win over Aue that keeps them in third. With the long-term injuries to Badstuber and Kempf, he looks to have a good opportunity to get regular games in a good team. Marko Grujic : Left on the bench in the midweek cup loss at Schalke, where Hertha blew a two-goal lead in the second half before conceding a third in extra-time, and was not among the four substitutes used by Klinsmann. Started in the League game at home to Mainz, in a switch to a 5-3-2 formation. Barely involved - his most visible contribution was to elbow the opposition keeper in the ribs while challenging for a cross - and was taken off at the break as part of a switch back to 4-4-2. Mainz went on to win 3-1. Not everyone called Jürgen is a football genius. Rhian Brewster : Another 90 minutes in the 3-2 defeat at home to Derby. Not entirely suited to the ‘lone frontman’ role. Played a role in their second goal by rolling the loose ball away from opposing keeper Ben Hamer into the path of Kyle Naughton for the tap-in. Went close with a chance after a counterattack when the score was still 2-2. Not much you can do with that level of defending and (particularly) goalkeeping, though. Herbie Kane : Missed the draw with Reading with an ankle injury suffered in training. Sheyi Ojo : ‘Not involved’ in either the hard-fought league win over Hibs or the Cup victory at Hamilton. Harry Wilson : Started for Bournemouth in their 2-1 defeat at Sheff Yoo. Missed a good early chance with a stooping header, then had a shot from eight yards out blocked straight to Callum Wilson, who tucked it away with aplomb. Got hacked down towards the end of the first half, in a way that even Fat Jon Moss couldn’t miss. Saw virtually nothing of the ball in the second half, largely because the home team had the bulk of the possession, before being subbed with twenty minutes to go. Rhys Williams : Another full game for Kidderminster in their 1-1 draw with Darlington. “Not at fault” for the Darlington goal. Dan Atherton : Conceded two goals from corners in midweek as Marine saw off Widnes 5-2. Had ‘a bit less to do, really’ on Saturday as the promotion-chasing Crosby outfit won 7 (seven) to nil at Droylsden. Just three points behind Ramsbottom United, the Northern Premier League North West division is the place to be if you want a close title race. Loris Karius : Kept his first clean sheet since mid-November as Besiktas beat Gaziantep 3-0. Still seventh; still just five points off the top. Maybe Hairy Hands Keys can watch the Turkish League if he wants a title race.
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  19. 2 points
    I listened to the whole podcast yesterday. Carragher has been really good on Sky on the whole despite the weird agenda some Liverpool “fans” like to push but this podcast series Is another level and has shown how good an interviewer he is. There hasn’t been one I haven’t enjoyed. This was easily the best one. For me I have no problem with players running down their contracts. The contract is signed by both parties and both know where they stand. If you extend like Zaha did then you’re fucked and aren’t choosing where you want to go. If you run it down then you’re taking the risk of running out of form like Eriksen and losing your sharpness and place in the team never mind the risk of injury with all that brings. I don’t believe that Rushie sabbatical talk either. Revisionist shite from Owen which then brings into question a lot of other things he says. He went because it looked like the club was going backwards and if he stayed another season or two then the move would never had happened. Just own it. I’ve always said I just think he had no balls when it came to saying to Real it’s Liverpool or nowhere and he has to live with that. He was thinking about the World Cup which to be fair he admits. The one thing which made me feel for him and maybe softened to him a bit was the bit where he said his wife was crying all the time wanting to go home. That must have put pressure on him. The people who booed him and had a go at him then I think always had a bit of a problem with him. Carra says that those people would have softened in time and I agree with him. It’s the United move that was the nail in the coffin for the majority. These cunts sing about Liverpool every game and they’re not singing about great games they beat us in or trophies they won. They sing and chant all sorts of vile shite about Hillsborough, the city and scousers and it’s game in game out. They invented this “bin dipper” phrase that seems to just be used by everyone now. I seen somebody put on twitter in response to famous fan or something saying to forgive Owen and they said “but he signed for our rivals” as if that’s the problem and he’s completely missing the point. If Owen signed for Everton I don’t think people would have been arsed or any other club we have competed with bar maybe Chelsea for the same reasons. He knows what these cunts behave like and he still did it anyway. He probably did it because he felt like he wasn’t going to be a legend here anyway but well I’m sorry that was your assumption and the mistake you made. It’s not about forgiveness. You’re not a legend in my eyes and nothing can change that now. I don’t like Suarez either or Torres. I feel sorry for Carragher because you can hear the strain in his voice for his mate but he made his bed so he can lie in it.
  20. 2 points
    I dont a problem with any of our ex-players, apart from the shite ones. That list is pretty long, M.Owen will never be considered on it.
  21. 2 points
    Just driven down to Ipswich for work. Booked into one of these pub restaurants with accommodation. Got settled. Had my tea. Have just wandered back to the room across the pub garden, and there’s a fucking massive blood red full moon hanging low in the sky. I’m stuck in Suffolk, werewolf fucking central, on a full moon, and without any silver bullets or knives. Luckily my room is on the first floor and two German families have just booked into family rooms on the ground floor. A veritable all-you-can-eat buffet for a werewolf.
  22. 2 points
    We went to her folks for a meal and drinks Friday night. Her mum had been sorting through her Gran’s jewellery and said she wanted Claire to have her eternity ring. It’s a double diamond band eternity ring worth well in excess of £5k. Claire got annoyed with her mum for wanting to look after the ring for her and made some barbed comments about not being trusted and she’d obviously take great care of something so important. Within 24 hours she’d lost the ring!
  23. 2 points
    I used to think it was hilarious that Leeds got relegated and struggled to get back into the Premiership. I still think it's hilarious. Long may that continue.
  24. 2 points
    Can't believe Hummels is only 31. Seems to have been playing like it's a testimonial for about two years.
  25. 2 points
    Mate of mine was taking the piss out of Hot Chocolate so I sent him a link to this track & told him to fucking listen to it. I'd actually forgotten how good it was...